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Pokemon Colosseum and XD In-Game Tiers [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Fireburn, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. Fireburn

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    Credit to Mekkah for much of the Introduction.

    The best possible Pokemon is one that is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and takes 1 HP damage from everything, while also learning every possible HM, healing itself automatically, and having some neat ability to top it off. Such a Pokemon doesn't exist, of course, but this means that Pokemon closer to this ideal are the best ones possible.

    The goal of this in-game tier list is to recommend a select group of Pokemon for an efficient run through of the game. Those will be put in High tier. Very inefficient Pokemon will be put in Low. Things that are neither efficient nor inefficient, for example Pokemon that have some opportunity cost but end up as good as High ones, will be put in the Middle.

    Resources are available, but come with the cost of not being able to give it to other Pokemon. Giving Super Potions is fine because you can buy them and you have almost infinite money in the game. Giving a Pokemon a TM like the Dig in RBY cannot simply be assumed as there is likely lots of competition for it. The less competition there is for a TM, the more likely it is that the Pokemon in question can get said TM. A purchasable TM can always be assumed, of course.

    Don't confuse an efficient run with a speed run. Speed runs are often segmented and recorded runs with luck manipulation through resets, and aim for the absolute fastest time, but the real time spent on them is usually much, much more. Just assume you want to play through in a relatively low time frame.

    Team size is actually by far most efficient if you use one member, but I'm assuming something more like 3 members as otherwise you get extremely centralized lists with starters and early-game Pokemon at the far top and everything else is pretty much too crappy to bother with.

    The tiers for Colosseum and Pokemon XD are based on the following:

    -Availability: Can you get them early on and are they easy to get?
    -Stats: Do they have a usable stat distribution?
    -Moves: Do they have a good movepool that needs little TM support? (By that I mean hard to replace TMs such as ones you get from gyms.)
    -Power: Are they strong enough to sweep through enemies without taking too much damage in return?
    -Type: Do they have useful STABs and resistances?
    -Match-ups: Do they fare well in boss battles?

    The Pokemon are ranked in alphabetical particular order.

    Pokemon Colosseum In-Game Tier List

    High Tier:

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    Croconaw
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats, comes early, but unfortunately is slightly worse than Suicune.


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    Entei
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats and comes at a high level, along with STAB Fire Blast, which pretty much 2HKOes every Pokemon you'll encounter that doesn't resist it.

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    Espeon
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's very fast and strong, and there aren't too many Dark-types to worry about in-game.

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    Flaaffy
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has decent bulk and comes with Thunderbolt and Thunder Wave, and it makes for a very good Raikou replacement.

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    Makuhita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very early and with a powerful STAB Cross Chop, plus it's one of the few good Fighting-types available.

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    Meditite

    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's a very useful Hariyama replacement, very strong, and has a decent Speed stat.


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    Quilava
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and strong, and it comes very early in the game.


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    Raikou
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    While it comes late in the game, it comes with a very strong STAB Thunder, and you get it at a decent level.


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    Suicune
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has very good stats, STAB Surf is very useful since it hits both opposing Pokemon, and it comes early enough in the game to still be useful, even more so than Croconaw.

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    Umbreon

    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has massive bulk and passable offenses which make it a great Pokemon to tank hits and do decent damage back.

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    Vibrava

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has decent stats, a good typing, is not far off from evolving upon capture, and Levitate is very useful in later battles because many of the later opponents like to spam Earthquake.

    Mid Tier:

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    Furret
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, is decently strong, and has good enough stats to make it a great early-game Pokemon, but its usefulness fades against the tougher foes at the end of the game.

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    Heracross
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very, very strong, but just comes too late in the game to be more useful than Hariyama or Medicham.

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    Hitmontop

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's overall worse than Hariyama and Medicham, and has to rely on Triple Kick for STAB, but it's still pretty good.

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    Mantine
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has passable stats and is a decent replacement for Croconaw, but Suicune is still better.

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    Misdreavus
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's useful early-game, but not as good late-game due to its poor stats.

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    Noctowl
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It gets Hypnosis, which is helpful for capturing other Shadow Pokemon, and comes early, but it's very weak offensively.

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    Quagsire
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    Its low Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.

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    Remoraid
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    Octillery is slow and Remoraid comes at a very low level, but it has a great movepool and good offenses.

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    Skiploom
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's very fast and Sleep Powder is very useful, but it's incredibly weak.

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    Stantler
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has passable stats and comes with Hypnosis, which aids in capturing other Shadow Pokemon.

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    Swablu
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak offensively and defensively, but Sing is helpful, and there aren't many better choices for a Flying-type; also, the resistances it gains as a Dragon-type are very helpful.


    Low Tier:

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    Absol

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game to be very useful.

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    Ariados
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with good STAB moves, but it's slow and weak.

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    Bayleef
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's not very strong offensively and has a lot of weaknesses defensively.

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    Dunsparce
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has mediocre stats and a poor level-up movepool.

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    Forretress
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a great typing, but it has a poor offensive movepool and it comes too late in the game.

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    Gligar
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has mediocre stats and a lackluster movepool.

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    Granbull
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and it's slow.

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    Houndoom
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game to be useful.

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    Metagross
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes too late in the game.

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    Miltank
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game.

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    Murkrow
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has poor defenses and a shallow movepool, plus it comes late in the game.

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    Piloswine
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's too slow and has too many weaknesses to be useful.

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    Qwilfish
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    While it's not necessarily a poor Pokemon, there are just too many better choices for a Water-type.

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    Scizor
    Stats: High
    Availability: Whenever you bother to waste $20 on an E-Reader. Good luck finding the card.
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It requires a crappy peripheral (E-Reader) that you have most likely tossed in the trash. Beyond that, it has a great typing and stats, but a very poor movepool.

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    Skarmory
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has weak offenses and comes late in the game.

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    Slugma
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Quilava and Entei are both superior, and Magcargo having 4x weaknesses to both Surf and Earthquake screams uselessness.

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    Sneasel
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has bad stats and no good STAB moves.

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    Sudowoodo
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Its defensive typing is terrible in doubles and its stats are mediocre.

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    Sunflora
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a poor typing, bad movepool, is extremely slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Tropius
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game and its movepool and typing are terrible.

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    Tyranitar
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes too late in the game.

    Bottom Tier:

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    Aipom
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's weak offensively and defensively, has a poor offensive movepool, and comes too late to be useful.

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    Delibird
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a terrible typing, very poor stats, and comes too late in the game.

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    Ho-Oh
    Stats: Uber strong
    Availability: After you have beaten everything else.
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's incredibly powerful, but it comes after you beat the game, which means it is of absolutely no help.

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    Ledian
    Stats: Very Poor
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's just too weak offensively and defensively.

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    Plusle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's way too weak and comes at an extremely low level.

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    Shuckle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has awful offenses, a horrible movepool, and comes too late in the game.

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    Smeargle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Ad infinitum
    Additional Comments:
    It's incredibly weak, comes with four awful moves, and comes too late in the game.

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    Togetic
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has poor offenses and comes too late in the game.

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    Ursaring
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes very late in the game.

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    Yanma
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and has a terrible movepool.

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    Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness In-Game Tier List


    High Tier:

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    Carvanha
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, is very fast and very strong, but it can't take a hit at all, which can make training difficult until it evolves into Sharpedo. It's ultimately outclassed by Vaporeon, but is a great alternative for a Water-type.

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    Eevee (Espeon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and powerful, learns excellent level-up moves, comes with Bite, and is the first Pokemon you get.

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    Eevee (Jolteon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and powerful, easily able to procure a Thunder TM for its primary STAB attack, and the first Pokemon you get.

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    Eevee (Vaporeon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very bulky and strong, is the first Pokemon you get, and you get great TMs to teach it.

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    Growlithe
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game, comes with great STAB, can quickly evolve with a Fire Stone, and it's ultimately fast and powerful, though a bit outclassed by Houndoom.

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    Houndour
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, has a great typing, great STAB, and comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon at the time. You also get the Flamethrower TM shortly after evolving from the S.S. Libra, turning Houndoom into real powerhouse.

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    Makuhita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with a good moveset and is very strong. It's also the bulkiest of the obtainable Fighting-types as Hariyama.

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    Mareep
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, has great level-up STAB, and comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon. It also comes with Thunder Wave, which makes catching Shadow Pokemon super easy.

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    Ralts
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes decently early, has a good level-up movepool, and is fast and powerful as a Gardevoir. Not to mention Kirlia gets Psychic right away at level 26.

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    Shroomish
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Once it evolves it becomes a powerhouse and it has handy resistances to Earthquake, Surf, and Rock Slide. You can also get the Brick Break TM for STAB shortly after evolving from the Pyrite Colosseum.

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    Teddiursa
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very early, is very powerful, and has good level-up moves and a powerful STAB.

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    Wooper
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow, but it has a great typing and is decently powerful. It can be a bit of a pain to catch at the Poké Spots though.

    Upper Mid Tier:

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    Eevee (Flareon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and outclassed by Houndour and Growlithe, but it comes super early and is very bulky for a Fire-type.

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    Hoppip
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    Its attacks are weak, which makes it very hard to level up, but its high Speed coupled with Sleep Powder and handy resistances to Water-, Ground-, and Fighting-type attacks make it a GREAT supporter. It's also a fantastic choice for whittling down Shadow Pokemon for capture.

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    Meditite
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game and is a bit under-leveled, but it's very easy to level up through Mt. Battle, comes with perfect coverage, and is very, very powerful. However, it requires you to capture a Trapinch from the Poké Spots, which can end up being very time consuming.

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    Numel
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has a good movepool and decent offenses, making it a decent Houndour substitute.

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    Paras
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak and slow, but Spore is amazing in helping to catch Shadow Pokemon.

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    Roselia
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak defensively, but is incredibly strong when you catch it. It loses its usefulness late-game though.

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    Spheal
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has a great STAB combo and is pretty bulky, but its late evolution will often hold it back because Sealeo is a pretty poor Pokemon in the later stages of the game.

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    Vulpix
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early and with a good moveset; Ninetales has good stats as well. However, it's outclassed by both Houndoom and Arcanine.

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    Weepinbell
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes late but has Sleep Powder if you trade some Poké Coupons with the Move Relearner, and unlike Jumpluff, it can actually hurt things. It's actually the strongest Grass-type attacker you'll get in the game.

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    Zangoose
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes a bit late but is fast and very strong.

    Mid Tier:

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    Banette
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It comes late, has a shallow movepool, and is a little frail, but it has a high Attack stat and comes with Shadow Ball, which is incredibly strong. It's the best Ghost-type you get, though a rather poor Pokemon otherwise.

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    Dodrio
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes late, but is the best offensive Flying-type you get, aside from Salamence. It's also pretty fast and comes with good moves once purified.

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    Eevee (Umbreon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and its attacks are weak, but is an extremely sturdy tank. You're better off choosing one of the other Eeveelutions as Sharpedo and Houndoom are much better Dark-types.

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    Electabuzz (Shadow)
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent (No elemental punches)
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. It's also decently fast and strong, which makes it a great alternative to Ampharos.

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    Elekid (Hordel)
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes later on and is under-leveled, but it comes with excellent attacks and is very easy to level up.

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    Gulpin
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with Sing, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it is moderately bulky.

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    Hitmonlee
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. It's also decently fast and strong, making a good alternative to Hariyama and Medicham.

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    Poochyena
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early and is moderately powerful, which makes it useful early-game. It loses a lot of usefulness late-game though.

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    Salamence
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very late, but is very powerful and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon. It also comes at a high level and will usually have higher stats than many of your current Pokemon.

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    Seel
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game and with a good moveset, though it's mostly outclassed by Vaporeon and Walrein offensively and defensively.

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    Snorlax
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very bulky and makes a great meatshield for the final battle, although it comes so late that that's about all it's good for.

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    Swellow
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. Plus, it's extremely fast and powerful if inflicted with status.

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    XD001 Lugia
    Stats: Uber Strong
    Availability: You get it right before the final boss battle.
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    Comes very late, but is very sturdy and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon. However, it requires you to either lose the following battle and then go to the box and rebattle the boss since there is no break in between, or enter the battle versus Greevil with only 5 Pokemon.
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    Lower Mid Tier:

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    Arbok
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and is not that powerful, but it comes with Shadow Half which makes it useful for a while.

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    Butterfree
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game, though Sleep Powder is cool for catching Shadow Pokemon.

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    Duskull
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has bad stats and it's very slow, making it hard to train and use effectively.

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    Golduck
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes a little late, but is one of the better Water-types you get in the game. It's also much faster than Quagsire, Walrein, and Dewgong, making it a great alternative to Vaporeon.

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    Grimer
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Its stats simply aren't good enough, and being a slow Pokemon that is weak to Earthquake is very bad in the final battles. However, it has a very high Attack stat and is bulky like Swalot, making it a decent alternative.

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    Lapras
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes very late, but is extremely bulky and moderately powerful, making it a good choice for a meatshield (assuming it's still a Shadow Pokemon) for the final boss.

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    Lunatone
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and only somewhat powerful, though it will be at a higher level than the rest of your Pokemon when you catch it.

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    Magneton
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats and a great typing, but simply comes too late in the game to be more useful than Ampharos or Jolteon.

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    Mawile
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has very bad stats and no good STAB moves, but it does have a great typing for when you catch it.

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    Natu
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    There's no reason to use it over Gardevoir which sports a better movepool and higher stats.

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    Seedot
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and doesn't have any good STAB moves, though you get a Leaf Stone very early, allowing you to have a Shiftry very early in the game.

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    Shellder

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Spearow
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and defensively, but is one of the better Flying-types available.

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    Spinarak
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak defensively, but comes with Signal Beam, making it a strong attacker early-game.

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    Venomoth
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and is not that powerful, but is possible to get Sleep Powder from the Move Relearner.

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    Voltorb
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak offensively and defensively, making it outclassed by better Electric-types.

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    Zubat
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's tedious to train early on, but Crobat has great stats making it a decent attacker.

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    Altaria
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's about the only Dragon-type available until the last couple of battles, and its typing is very nice for tanking attacks. However, it comes with a horrid movepool and low attacking stats, making it hard to use and outclassed by many other Pokemon.

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    Aron
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very powerful once evolved, but it comes late in the game and is hard to train.

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    Baltoy
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and slow to use.

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    Dugtrio
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late in the game and is very frail, making it not worth training. It is very fast and comes with STAB Earthquake though.

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    Hitmonchan
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's the worst Fighting-type you get in-game and heavily outclassed by Hitmonlee, Hariyama, Medicham, and Breloom.

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    Hypno
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's very bulky and somewhat powerful, but is utterly outclassed by Espeon and Gardevoir.

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    Kangaskhan
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but comes with a bad movepool and is harshly outclassed by Ursaring.

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    Larvitar
    Stats: High
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very powerful once evolved, but comes too late, is hard to get, and very hard to train.

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    Magmar
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It isn't a bad Pokemon, just outclassed by the ton of other Fire-types available.

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    Manectric
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late and will be outclassed by Jolteon and Ampharos by then.

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    Marowak
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's extremely powerful, but comes very late, making it unusable for the final battle.

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    Meowth
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak offensively and defensively to be useful.

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    Mr. Mime
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's strong, but super frail defensively. It also comes too late to be more useful than Espeon and Gardevoir.

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    Pidgeotto
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and defensively to be useful.

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    Pinsir
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but comes with a horrid movepool and receives no good STAB.

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    Poliwrath
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late and is outclassed as both a Water- and Fighting-type. It is bulky though, which could make it a useful meatshield for the last couple of battles.

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    Primeape
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's fast and kinda strong, but ultimately outclassed by the other Fighting-types available earlier in the game.

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    Rapidash
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but comes too late to be more useful than the other Fire-types available.

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    Solrock
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It has a neat typing and stat distribution, but comes too late in the game.

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    Starmie
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments: It's an amazing Pokemon, but comes super late in the game, by which time it's outclassed by the other Water-types available.

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    Tangela
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too slow and has a bad typing, though Sleep Powder is cool.

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    Trapinch
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has a terrible level-up movepool, and its evolutions come too late.

    Bottom Tier:

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    Beedrill
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Chansey
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's super bulky specially defensively, but has zero offensive capabilities.

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    Delcatty
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's comparatively strong upon capture, but quickly loses its usefulness due to its extremely poor stats.

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    Farfetch'd
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's a terrible Pokemon, and on top of that it comes late in the game.

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    Gligar
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a terrible level-up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.

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    Ledyba
    Stats: Very Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and slow to use.

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    Lickitung
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes late and with a terrible movepool, plus it is very weak offensively.

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    Magcargo
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's decent offensively, but has possibly the worst typing available for double battles.

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    Nosepass
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's very weak and very slow.

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    Phanpy
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a terrible level-up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.

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    Pineco
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    Unless you want to blow up with Explosion or Selfdestruct, it's not powerful enough.

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    Raticate
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It has only decent stats at best, and comes with a horrible movepool, though Super Fang could be useful for catching the remaining Shadow Pokemon.

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    Sableye
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It has absolutely horrid stats and comes with a poor movepool.

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    Sandshrew
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's entirely outclassed by Phanpy, which in itself is bad.

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    Scyther
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but has possibly the worst movepool ever.

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    Shuckle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Horrid
    Additional Comments: It has zero offensive capabilities, making it hard to train and use.

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    Snorunt
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's outclassed by both Seel and Spheal, which both have better stats.

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    Surskit
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak.

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    Swinub
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has a ton of weaknesses and is weak defensively.

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    Togepi
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes way too late to train and is not even good once it is trained.

    Basement Tier:

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    Articuno
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Chikorita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Cyndaquil
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Dragonite
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments: It can't be captured until completing the main storyline.

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    Exeggutor
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Moltres
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Rhydon
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Tauros
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Totodile
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Zapdos
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.
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    For XD:

    Where is (Shadow) Electabuzz? His utility in the final battle with shadow half is absolutely amazing, if lugia and mence are high, he definitely deserves to be high too.

    Hypno deserves to be at least mid. I used him as a wall for shadow moves very effectively from Gorigan to Eldes both times I played through XD.
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    Not really. It can be done without Lugia, you just need to keep them asleep a lot.

    Actually, in this game, expecially lategame, things that can sleep are good. I'll make a list of all the sleepers.

    COLOSSEUM:

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    Noctowl: Eh, sort of useful. Could be better typed, though it IS immune to EQ.
    Skiploom: Weak offensively, but good supporter, and is immune to EQ.
    Stantler: This guy is underestimated offensively... but he comes late.
    Swablu: Altaria has good defensive typing, and has good bulk. Now, Sing may be innacurate, but still, Altaria is great. BTW, immune to EQ.
    Smeargle: Haha, to get a sleep move on this guy you have to already have a sleeper. Good for a joke.
    Misdreavus: It get's hypnosis, right? It's immune to EQ, right?


    Not very many. Of those, Altaria and Stantler are best, followed closely by Skiploom, who is followed closely by Noctowl and Misdreavus, who are the last decent ones.

    XD: *I'm doing this game off of faded memories and watching other people play, so I might not get it all right. Bleh.*

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    Shroomish: Yay! An unevolved pokemon who might not even be getting spore before Greevil!
    Gulpin: If it really comes with sing, then that helps it A LOT. It has bulk... unfortunately weak to EQ, but that isn't as common in XD.
    Roselia: Erm... not much to say about it.
    Delcatty: FUCK NO. Bad type, bad stats, no.
    Lunatone: Bulky, has good resists, better than the others I've mentioned at sleeping (Swalot is cool on the offense though.)
    Tangela: Good physical defense. Offensively, it hits fairly well (Having to rely on Mega Drain sucks[no pun intended]), makes for a decent supporter (Needed for the end game)
    Butterfree: Certainly better than ROSELIA. And unevolved shroomishes. But it still sucks balls.
    Venomoth: Better than Butterfree, but that isn't saying much.
    Weepinbell: JUST USE TANGELA FOR FUCKS SAKE. At least HE isn't neutral to EQ!
    Hypno: Good special defense and a decent STAB.
    Altaria: Nope. It comes a lot later nowadays.
    Chansey: I said "Supporter", not "offensive hindrance".
    Poliwrath: Get's cool STAB, some decent stats. No surf FTL though.
    Marowak: Even if it comes with Sing, you should have a PURIFIED sleeper by this point.
    Exeggutor: What is this I don't even
    Hoppip: Good type. Makes a good supporter.
    Paras: 4x Resist to EQ, has Spore for always working sleep. Bit weak on the offensive.


    Looking over the list, Hypno, Tangela, Lunatone, Jumpluff, and Swalot look like the best ones.


    And here's a special!

    HOW TEAMS (That don't want to abuse Salamence/Lugia/Electabuzz/ect. near the end) SHOULD BE IN XD:

    1 Supporter. The supporter should know a sleep move, possibly Paralisis if this is to early for sleep. It is not to hindering offensively, but might not be able to deal much damage outside of SE hits. Should be fast or bulky.

    EXAMPLES: Tangela, Hypno, Jumpluff.

    2 Whittlers. The whittlers will have attacks that can... well, whittle their foes. They also will have attacks that can cause mass damage, and maybe will back up the supporters with status.

    EXAMPLES: Jolteon (Thunder Wave and Bite), Gardevoir (Weaker psychic attacks, Thunder Wave).

    2 Sweepers: The sweepers will easily take out pokemon ingame, 1 shotting almost anything that doesn't resist their attacks. They may not be FAST, but they can rip down an opponents team so the Whittlers and Supporter can switch in.

    EXAMPLES: Zangoose, Houndoom, Medicham.

    1 Wild Card: The wild card can be anything. Maybe you chose your favorite pokemon. Maybe you want another Supporter or Sweeper. Maybe your team is just to strong for anything ingame, and you need to get a pokemon later on just to stop overleveling. Here you go.

    EXAMPLES: Anything!

    And there you go. Not making one for Colosseum because teams of 6 are suicide in that game.
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    I recently played through XD again.

    The tier list has gotten a complete revamp. Please check the OP and make comments/suggestions. Thanks. :)

    (Btw I'll make it grammatically correct and stuff later.)
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    Hmm, I agree with the Colosseum tier list, almost in full. But since we are partially evaluating a Pokemon's utility based on how late in the game you get, maybe early access to said Pokemon should be considered a bit more. This is especially true in a game where obtaining a Pokemon and grinding it is much harder, because purifying it often takes a long time (I'm ignoring Colognes here) as well.

    For example, Misdreavus gets Psybeam (although that's about it, base 65 STAB in Colosseum isn't bad) and has pretty good stats. However, Misdreavus can also be obtained relatively early if I recall correctly. Therefore, it becomes easier to use in a sense. Also, Misdreavus can provide a nice Normal immunity and Levitate. For this, I suggest moving Misdreavus to the High tier.

    Next, you might have missed out on Sudowoodo. It can be obtained after the fight with Miror B which is pretty early. Also, level 35 isn't too bad considering where one is relative to the game. Low Kick, Rock Slide, and Faint Attack also can supply decent coverage. The only downside is relatively low power moves and terrible speed. For this, I suggest the Medium tier; although useful early on in the game, it sort of gets outclassed by stuff like Flygon, which can fill a similar role.

    All in all, I think I agree with everything else. Especially Espeon and Umbreon being High tier; when I was younger I played with only them (two-pokemon team) pretty much, and they're excellent.
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    -High- Great Pokemon that are highly recommended for use.

    Espeon- Very fast and strong, and there aren'tnot too many Dark-types to worry about.
    Quilava- Fast and strong, comes very early in the game.
    Entei- Good stats and comes at a high level with STAB Fire Blast, (comma) which pretty much 2HKOes everything every Pokemon you'll encounter that doesn’t't (correct apostrophe) resist it.
    Suicune- Very good stats, STAB Surf is very useful since it hits both Pokemon, and it comes early enough in the game.
    Raikou- Comes late in the game, but STAB Thunder is very strong, (comma) and it comes at a decent level.
    Vibrava- Decent stats, good typing, not far off from evolving, and Levitate is very useful in later battles since later opponents spam EQ Earthquake.
    Makuhita- Comes with STAB Cross Chop which is very strong, comes early, and is one of the few good Fighting-types available.
    Croconaw- Good stats, comes early, but is slightly worse than Suicune.
    Flaffy- Decent bulk and comes with Thunderbolt and Thunder Wave, very good Raikou replacement.
    Meditite- Useful Hariyama replacement, very strong and has decent Speed.
    Umbreon- Massive bulk and passable offenses make it a great Pokemon to tank hits and do decent damage back.

    -Mid- Pokemon that fall short of some of the characteristics of the High tier, but are still decent.

    Noctowl- Gets Hypnosis, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it comes early, but it's very weak offensively. for helping Shadow Pokemon capture which is very useful and it comes early, but its kinda weak.
    Skiploom- Very fastFast and Sleep Powder is very useful, but its incredibly weak.
    Hitmontop- Worse than Hariyama and Medicham and has to rely on Triple Kick for STAB, but it's still pretty good.
    Stantler- Passable stats, and it comes with a Sleep move which aids in Shadow Pokemon capture.
    Heracross- Strong but comes too late in the game.
    Swablu- Weak offensively and defensively, but Sing is helpful, and there isn’t really aren't many better choices for a Flying-type.
    Misdreavus- Useful early game, but not as good late-game.
    Remoraid- Octillery is slow and this Remoraid comes at a very low level, but it has a great movepool and good offenses.
    Mantine- Passable stats, and is a decent replacement for Croconaw, but Suicune is still better.
    Furret- Comes early, decently strong, and has good enough stats to make it a great early game Pokemon, but its usefulness fades against the tougher foes at the end of the game.
    Quagsire- Slow Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.


    -Low- Either is complete crap or is too hard to get.

    Ledian- Too weak.
    Metagross- Very strong but comes too late in the game.
    Tyranitar- Same Very strong but comes too late in the game.
    Slugma- Quilava and Entei are both superior.
    Bayleef- Not very strong and has a lot of weaknesses.
    Houndoom- Comes too late in the game.
    Miltank- Comes too late in the game.
    Absol- Same Comes too late in the game.
    Tropius- Ditto Comes too late in the game.
    Skarmory- Weak offenses and comes late in the game.
    Sunflora- Same as Skarmory.
    Delibird- Same as Skarmory.
    Ursaring- Comes way too late in the game.
    Smeargle- Weak and comes too late in the game.
    Togetic- Same as Smeargle.
    Shuckle- Same as Smeargle.
    Scizor- Requires E-Reader which isn’t't worth it.
    Ho-Oh- VERY, VERY STRONG POKEMON, but it comes way too late and it is very hard to get.
    Plusle- Too weak, comes at an extremely low level.
    Murkrow- Poor defenses and movepool, comes late in the game.
    Granbull- Comes too late in the game and it's slow.
    Forretress- See Skarmory.
    Ariados- Why even bother Too weak and slow with only decent STABs.
    Yanma- Weak with no good STAB.
    Sneasel- Bad stats with no good STAB.
    Piloswine- Slow with too many weaknesses.
    Gligar- Mediocre stats and lackluster movepool.
    Qwilfish- Too many better choices for a Water-type.
    Dunsparce- Mediocre stats and nothing really special about it, needs requires TMs for a good movepool.
    Sudowoodo- Its defensive typing is terrible in Doubles and its stats are mediocre.

    Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness In-Game Tier List.

    -High-

    Eevee (Jolteon) - Fast and powerful; easily able to procure a Thunder TM for primary STAB; first Pokemon you get.
    Eevee (Espeon) - Fast and powerful; excellent level-up moves; comes with Bite; first Pokemon you get.
    Eevee (Vaporeon) - Very bulky and strong,; good level-up moves, starter Pokemon first Pokemon you get.
    Teddiursa - Comes very early, very powerful, and has good level up moves and a powerful STAB.
    Houndour - Comes early, great typing, great STAB, comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon.(period)
    Mareep - Comes early, great level up STAB, comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon. (period)
    Ralts - not Doesn't come too late, good level up movepool, and is fast and powerful as a Gardevoir.
    Shroomish - oOnce it evolves, (remove comma) it becomes a powerhouse and it has a handy resistance to Earthquake. (period, be sure to add a period to all the sentences)
    Meditite - Comes mid-game (hyphen) and is underleveled, but very easy to level up through Mt. Battle, comes with perfect coverage, and is very, very powerful.
    Growlithe - Comes mid-game, comes with great STAB, can quickly evolve with a Fire Stone, fast and powerful.
    Elekid - Comes later on and is underleveled, but it comes with excellent attacks and is very easy to level up.
    Salamence - Comes very late, but is very powerful and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon.
    XD001 Lugia - Comes very late, but very very sturdy; same function plays the same role as Salamence.
    Hoppip - Its attacks Attacks are weak, but its high Speed coupled with Sleep Powder and handy resistances to Water-, Ground, and Fighting-type attacks make it a GREAT supporter. Its also a perfect choice for whittling down Shadow Pokemon for capture.
    Wooper - Is slow,Slow but it has a great typing and is decently powerful.
    Makuhita- Comes with a good moveset and is very strong. Its It's the bulkiest of the obtainable Fighting-types.

    -Medium-

    Poochyena - Comes early and is moderately powerful; useful early-game.
    Gulpin - cComes with Sing, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it is moderately bulky.; moderately bulky
    Numel - Has a goodGood movepool and decent offenses; makes a decent Houndour substitute.
    Zangoose - Comes a bit late but is fast and very strong.
    Paras - Weak and Sslow, but Spore in is amazing in helping to catch Shadow Pokemon.
    Vulpix - Cmoes Comes early and with a good moveset.; Ninetales has good stats as well.
    Seel - Comes mid-game and comes with a good moveset.
    Spheal - Great STAB combo and is pretty bulky, but its late-leveled evolutions limit its usefulness.
    Carvanha - Comes early, is decently fast and very strong, but it can't take a hit at all, making it hard to train and level up.
    Weepinbell- Comes late but it has Sleep Powder, and unlike Jumpluff, it can actually hurt things.
    Snorlax- Is very bulkyBulky and it makes a great meatshield for the final battle, although it comes so late that that's about all its it's good for.
    Swellow- It can take Shadow-type attacks and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon.
    Electabuzz (Shadow) - Same as Swellow.
    Hitmonlee- Same as Swellow.
    Zubat- Tedious to train early on, but Crobat has great stats.

    -Low-

    Eevee (Flareon) - It's slow and there are a ton of better Fire-type Pokemon to choose from.
    Eevee (Umbreon) - Its is It's slow and its attacks are weak.
    Ledyba - Is too weak and slow to use.
    Baltoy - weak and slow Same as Ledyba.
    Seedot - Is too weak with no good STAB.
    Spinarak - weak and slow Same as Seedot.
    Voltorb - Is simply too weak offensively and defensively.
    Duskull - Has bad stats and its it's very slow.
    Mawile - Has very bad stats and no good STAB moves.
    Snorunt - Outclassed by both Seel and Spheal who both have better stats.
    Pineco - uUnless you want to blow up with Explosion or Selfdestruct every attack, it's not powerful enough.
    Natu - No reason to use it over Ralts.
    Roselia - Is simply too weak.
    Meowth - weak Same as Roselia.
    Swinub - weak, lots of weaknesses Same as Roselia, has too many weaknesses.
    Spearow - weak Same as Roselia.
    Grimer - Is not powerful enough for when you can catch it. (Does this mean it's not on a high enough level, or that it's stats are too low for when you catch it?)
    Lunatone - Is slow and only somewhat powerful.
    Nosepass - weak and slow Very weak and very slow.
    Togepi - Comes way too late to train and not even good once it is trained.
    Shellder - weak, slow, and late Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.
    Beedrill - late, bad stats Same as Shellder.
    Pidgeotto - late, weak, still weak, yea it's pretty weak Same as Shellder.
    Tangela - late and weak Same as Shellder.
    Butterfree - rofl Same as Shellder.
    Magneton - Comes too late. It has good stats and a great typing, but simply comes too late in the game.
    Venomoth - Comes too late in the game and is not that powerful.
    Arbok - slow and late Same as Venomoth.
    Sandshrew - Just use Phanpy who has better stats overall. Is entirely outclassed by Phanpy.
    Gligar - No good level up moves. Has a terrible level up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.
    Phanpy - Level up movepool is horrible. Same as Gligar.
    Surskit - just plain sucks Is simply too weak.
    Aron -powerful once evolved, but late and hard to train Is very powerful once evolved, but it comes late in the game and is hard to train.
    Larvitar - Is very powerful once evolved, but comes too late, is hard to get, and very hard to train.
    Trapinch - Crappy Level-Up movepool and late evolutions. Has a terrible level up movepool, and its evolutions come too late.

    Slackers - Pokemon that just come too late to be of use. (By the time you get them your team should be complete.)

    Primeape
    Hypno
    Raticate
    Golduck
    Sableye
    Farfetch'd
    Altaria
    Kangaskhan
    Banette
    Magmar
    Pinsir
    Magcargo
    Rapidash
    Hitmonchan
    Lickitung
    Scyther
    Chansey
    Solrock
    Starmie
    Poliwrath
    Mr. (space) Mime
    Dugtrio
    Manectric
    Marowak
    Lapras
    Zapdos
    Moltres
    Articuno
    Tauros
    Dodrio
    Rhydon
    Exeggutor
    Dragonite
    Chikorita
    Cyndaquil
    Totodile


    Few things that you're going to have to address.

    1. I tried to make all the sentences actual full sentences, hence the "late in the game" thing. I didn't do it to every sentence because, if you feel you don't want this to be something with complete sentences, that's fine. However, if you want it to be more "professional" you'll have to go through each one and correct them like I did the first few sentences.

    2. Make sure there's at least a period at the end of every sentence.

    3. Decide if there's a space between the Pokemon's name and the hyphen or not. I think it looks better with a space, but I'm not sure how this will look onsite either. (Example: Houndour - , instead of Houndour- )

    4. Is there any real reason for the Pokemon listed as they are outside of the tiers, or is it simply arbitrary? If you're ranking them, then that needs to be specified somewhere, but if there's no order outside of the tiers, then they should be in alphabetical order.

    5. I'm not sure if level-up, or level in general is supposed to be capitalized. Someone else will have to confirm this.

    Outside of all of that.

    GP 1/2

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    Comments in bold red

    The best possible Pokemon is one that is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and takes pitiful damage from everything, while also learning every possible HM, healing itself automatically, and sporting some neat ability to top it off. Such a Pokemon doesn't exist, of course, but this means that Pokemon closer to this ideal are the best ones possible.

    The goal of this in-game tier list is to recommend a select group of Pokemon for an efficient run through of the game. Those will be put in High tier. Very inefficient Pokemon will be put in Low. Things that are neither efficient nor inefficient, for example Pokemon that have some opportunity cost but end up as good as High ones, will be put in the Middle.

    Resources are available, but come with the cost of not being able to give it to other Pokemon. Giving Super Potions is fine because you can buy them and you have almost infinite money in the game. Giving a Pokemon a TM like the Dig in RBY cannot simply be assumed as there is likely lots of competition for it. The less competition there is for a TM, the more likely it is that the Pokemon in question can get said TM. A buyable TM can always be assumed, of course.

    Don't confuse an efficient run with a speed run. Speed runs are often segmented and recorded runs with luck manipulation through resets, and aim for the absolute fastest time, but the real time spent on them is usually much, much more. I'll just assume you want to play through in a relatively low time frame.

    Team size is actually by far most efficient if you use one member, but I'm assuming something more like 3 members as otherwise you get extremely centralized lists with starters and early-game Pokemon at the far top and everything else is pretty much too crappy to bother with.

    The tiers for Colosseum and Pokemon XD are based on the following:

    -Availability: Can you get them early on and are they easy to get?
    -Stats: Do they have a usable stat distribution?
    -Moves: Do they have a good movepool that needs little TM support? (By that I mean hard to replace TMs such as ones you get from gyms.)
    -Power: Are they strong enough to sweep through enemies without taking too much damage in return?
    -Type: Do they have useful STABs and resistances?
    -Matchups: Do they fare well in boss battles?

    The Pokemon are also ranked in no particular order.

    TIERS

    -High- Great Pokemon that are highly recommended for use.

    Espeon- Very fast and strong, and there aren't too many Dark-types to worry about.

    Quilava- Fast and strong, comes very early in the game.

    Entei- Good stats and comes at a high level with STAB Fire Blast, which pretty much 2HKOes every Pokemon you'll encounter that doesn't resist it.

    Suicune- Very good stats, STAB Surf is very useful since it hits both Pokemon, and it comes early enough in the game.

    Raikou- Comes late in the game, but STAB Thunder is very strong, and it comes at a decent level.

    Vibrava- Decent stats, good typing, not far off from evolving, and Levitate is very useful in later battles since later opponents spam Earthquake.

    Makuhita- Comes early with a very strong STAB Cross Chop which is very strong, comes early,. It is also one of the few good Fighting-types available.

    Croconaw- Good stats, comes early, but is slightly worse than Suicune.

    Flaffy- Decent bulk and comes with Thunderbolt and Thunder Wave, very good Raikou replacement.

    Meditite- Useful Makuhita substitute, very strong and has decent Speed.

    Umbreon- Massive bulk and passable offenses make it a great Pokemon to tank hits and do decent damage back.

    -Mid- Pokemon that fall short of some of the characteristics of the High tier, but are still decent.

    Noctowl- Gets Hypnosis, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it comes early, but it's very weak offensively.

    Skiploom- Very fast but incredibly weak. and Sleep Powder is very useful, but its incredibly weak.

    Hitmontop- Worse than Hariyama and Medicham and has to rely on Triple Kick for STAB, but it's still pretty good.

    Stantler- Passable stats and it comes with a sleep move, (comma) which aids in Shadow Pokemon capture.

    Heracross- Strong but comes too late in the game.

    Swablu- Weak offensively and defensively, but Sing is helpful, and there aren't many better choices for a Flying-type.

    Misdreavus- Useful early-game, but not as good late-game.

    Remoraid- Octillery is slow and Remoraid comes at a very low level, but it has a great movepool and good offenses.

    Mantine- Passable stats and is a decent substitute for Croconaw, but Suicune is still better.

    Furret- Comes early, decently strong, and has good enough stats to make it a great early-game Pokemon, but its usefulness fades against the tougher foes at the end of the game.

    Quagsire- Low Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.


    -Low- Either is complete crap or is too hard to get.

    Ledian- Too weak.

    Metagross- Very strong but comes too late in the game.

    Tyranitar- Very strong but comes too late in the game.

    Slugma- Quilava and Entei are both superior.

    Bayleef- Not very strong and has a lot of weaknesses.

    Houndoom- Comes too late in the game.

    Miltank- Comes too late in the game.

    Absol- Comes too late in the game.

    Tropius- Comes too late in the game.

    Skarmory- Weak offenses and comes late in the game.

    Sunflora- Weak offenses and comes late in the game. (if you repeat the above ones..)

    Delibird- Weak offenses and comes late in the game.

    Ursaring- Comes way too late in the game.

    Smeargle- Weak and comes too late in the game.

    Togetic- Weak and comes too late in the game.

    Shuckle- Weak and comes too late in the game.

    Scizor- Requires E-Reader which isn't worth it.

    Ho-Oh- VERY, VERY STRONG POKEMON, but it comes way too late and it is very hard to get
    (enter)
    Plusle- Too weak, and comes at an extremely low level.

    Murkrow- Poor defenses and movepool, comes late in the game.

    Granbull- Comes too late in the game and it's slow.

    Forretress- Weak offenses and comes late in the game.

    Ariados- Too weak and slow with only decent STABs.

    Yanma- Weak with no good STAB.

    Sneasel- Bad stats with no good STAB.

    Piloswine- Slow with too many weaknesses.

    Gligar- Mediocre stats and lackluster movepool.

    Qwilfish- Too many better choices for a Water-type.

    Dunsparce- Mediocre stats and nothing really special about it.

    Sudowoodo- Its defensive typing is terrible in Doubles and its stats are mediocre. It also has poor stats, is very hard to get, and needs TMs for a good moveset.

    Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness In-Game Tier List.

    -High-

    Eevee (Jolteon) - Fast and powerful; easily able to procure a Thunder TM for primary STAB; first Pokemon you get.

    Eevee (Espeon) - Fast and powerful; excellent level-up moves; comes with Bite; first Pokemon you get.

    Eevee (Vaporeon) - Very bulky and strong; good level-up moves and is the first Pokemon you get.

    Teddiursa - Comes very early, very powerful, and has good level-up moves and a powerful STAB.

    Houndour - Comes early, great typing, great STABs, comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon.

    Mareep - Comes early, great level-up STAB, comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon.

    Ralts - Doesn't come too late, good level-up movepool, and is fast and powerful as a Gardevoir.

    Shroomish - Once it evolves it becomes a powerhouse and it has a handy resistance to Earthquake.

    Meditite - Comes mid-game and is underleveled, but very easy to level up through Mt. Battle, comes with perfect coverage, and is very, very powerful.

    Growlithe - Comes mid-game, comes with great STAB, can quickly evolve with a Fire Stone, fast and powerful.

    Elekid - Comes later on and is underleveled, but it comes with has excellent attacks and is very easy to level up.

    Salamence - Comes very late, but is very powerful and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon.

    XD001 Lugia - Comes very late, but is very sturdy; plays the same role as Salamence.

    Hoppip - Its attacks are weak, but its high Speed coupled with Sleep Powder and handy resistances to Water-, Ground, and Fighting-type attacks make it a GREAT supporter. It's also a perfect choice for whittling down Shadow Pokemon for capture.

    Wooper - Is slow,(space)but it has a great typing and is decently powerful.

    Makuhita- Comes with a good moveset and is very strong. It's the bulkiest of the obtainable Fighting-types.

    -Medium-

    Poochyena - Comes early and is moderately powerful; useful early-game.

    Gulpin - Comes with Sing, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it is moderately bulky.

    Numel - Has a good movepool and decent offenses; makes a decent Houndour substitute.

    Zangoose - Comes a bit late but is fast and very strong.

    Paras - Weak and slow, but Spore is amazing in helping to catch Shadow Pokemon.

    Vulpix - Comes early and with a good moveset. (remove period); Ninetales has good stats as well.

    Seel - Comes mid-game and with a good moveset.

    Spheal - Great STAB combo and is pretty bulky, but its late evolution will often hold it back.

    Carvanha - Comes early, is decently fast and very strong, but it can't take a hit at all, making it hard to train and level up.

    Weepinbell- Comes late but it has Sleep Powder, (remove comma) and, (comma) unlike Jumpluff, it can actually hurt things.

    Snorlax- Is very bulky and it makes a great meatshield for the final battle, although it comes so late that that's about all it's good for.

    Swellow- It can take Shadow-type attacks and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon.

    Electabuzz (Shadow) - It can take Shadow-type attacks and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon.

    Hitmonlee- It can take Shadow-type attacks and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon.

    Zubat- Tedious to train early on, but Crobat has great stats.

    -Low-

    Eevee (Flareon) - It's slow and there are a ton of better Fire-type Pokemon to choose from.

    Eevee (Umbreon) - It's slow and its attacks are weak.

    Ledyba - Is too weak and slow to use.

    Baltoy - Same as Ledyba.

    Seedot - Is too weak with no good STAB.

    Spinarak - Same as Seedot.

    Voltorb - Is simply too weak, both offensively and defensively.

    Duskull - Has bad stats and it's very slow.

    Mawile - Has very bad stats and no good STAB moves.

    Snorunt - Outclassed by both Seel and Spheal who both have better stats.

    Pineco - Unless you want to blow up with Explosion or Selfdestruct it's not powerful enough.

    Natu - No reason to use it over Ralts.

    Roselia - Is simply too weak.

    Meowth - Is simply too weak.

    Swinub - Is simply too weak, with has too many weaknesses.

    Spearow - Is simply too weak.

    Grimer - Its stats simply aren't good enough, and being a slow Pokemon that is weak to Earthquake is very bad in the final battles.

    Lunatone - Is slow and only somewhat powerful.

    Nosepass - Very weak and very slow.

    Togepi - Comes way too late to train and not even good once it is trained.

    Shellder - Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

    Beedrill - Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

    Pidgeotto - Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

    Tangela - Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

    Butterfree - Is weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

    Magneton - It has good stats and a great typing, but simply comes too late in the game.

    Venomoth - Comes too late in the game and is not that powerful.

    Arbok - Same as Venomoth.

    Sandshrew - Is entirely outclassed by Phanpy.

    Gligar - Has a terrible level-up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.

    Phanpy - Same as Gligar.

    Surskit - Is simply too weak.

    Aron - Is very powerful once evolved, but it comes late in the game and is hard to train.

    Larvitar - Is very powerful once evolved, but comes too late, is hard to get, and very hard to train.

    Trapinch - Has a terrible level-up movepool, and its evolutions come too late.

    -Slackers- Pokemon that just come too late to be of use. (By the time you get them your team should be complete.)

    Primeape
    Hypno
    Raticate
    Golduck
    Sableye
    Farfetch'd
    Altaria
    Kangaskhan
    Banette
    Magmar
    Pinsir
    Magcargo
    Rapidash
    Hitmonchan
    Lickitung
    Scyther
    Chansey
    Solrock
    Starmie
    Poliwrath
    Mr. Mime
    Dugtrio
    Manectric
    Marowak
    Lapras
    Zapdos
    Moltres
    Articuno
    Tauros
    Dodrio
    Rhydon
    Exeggutor
    Dragonite
    Chikorita
    Cyndaquil
    Totodile


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  11. NixHex

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    I see some major discrepancies between this guide and the on-site Platinum / DP In-game tier guides, namely the use of first person (I'll, I'm, etc). At the very least, shouldn't the introductory paragraphs be the same? If I'm wrong please correct me, but that's what I understood was supposed to be the case. Either way, excellent guide!

    edit: misinterpreted your correction style, sorry! But yeah, the paragraphs should probably match.
  12. Fireburn

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    Hi.

    I updated this to the correct format.

    I'll add Aeron's GP check later.
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    So what I've done is split up the XD tiers a little more to make them more reflective of what you'll actually experience in-game. There's far more Pokemon to catch in XD than the first one. I also disagreed with a few placements that Fireburn gave, so I moved some of those around.

    I'd like some more critiques while I finish up putting in more details for a few of the mons and clean-up times of availability for a few of the shadow Pokemon. (What I plan on doing for XD is: early-game is everything up to Delcatty, early mid-game is everything up to Lunatone, late mid-game is everything up to Hypno/Primeape, and late-game would be everything after that).

    EDIT: Also I was wondering if I should make this two separate articles...
  14. Oglemi

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    OK this is ready for GP checks again, there's quite a bit more information than the last time this was checked so it'll need them I think.
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    On it, cap'n ^.^

    First post (open)
    The best possible Pokemon is one that is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and takes 1 HP damage from everything, while also learning every possible HM, heals itself automatically, and has some neat ability to top it off. Such a Pokemon doesn't exist, of course, but this means that Pokemon closer to this ideal are the best ones possible.

    The goal of this in-game tier list is to recommend a select group of Pokemon for an efficient run through of the game. Those will be put in High tier. Very inefficient Pokemon will be put in Low. Things that are neither efficient nor inefficient, for example Pokemon that have some opportunity cost but end up as good as High ones, will be put in the Middle.

    Resources are available, but come with the cost of not being able to give it to other Pokemon. Giving Super Potions is fine because you can buy them and you have almost infinite money in the game. Giving a Pokemon a TM like the Dig in RBY cannot simply be assumed as there is likely lots of competition for it. The less competition there is for a TM, the more likely it is that the Pokemon in question can get said TM. A buyable TM can always be assumed, of course.

    Don't confuse an efficient run with a speed run. Speed runs are often segmented and recorded runs with luck manipulation through resets, and aim for the absolute fastest time, but the real time spent on them is usually much, much more. Just assume you want to play through in a relatively low time frame.

    Team size is actually by far most efficient if you use one member, but I'm assuming something more like 3 members as otherwise you get extremely centralized lists with starters and earlygame Pokemon at the far top and everything else is pretty much too crappy to bother with.[/SIZE]

    The tiers for Colosseum and Pokemon XD are based on the following:

    -Availability: Can you get them early on and are they easy to get?
    -Stats: Do they have a usable stat distribution?
    -Moves: Do they have a good movepool that needs little TM support? (By that I mean hard to replace TMs such as ones you get from gyms.)
    -Power: Are they strong enough to sweep through enemies without taking too much damage in return?
    -Type: Do they have useful STABs and resistances?
    -Match-ups: Do they fare well in boss battles?

    The Pokemon are ranked in alphabetical particular order.

    [/COLOR] Pokemon Colosseum In-Game Tier List

    High Tier:

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    Croconaw
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats, comes early, but unfortunately is slightly worse than Suicune.


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    Entei
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats and comes at a high level, along with STAB Fire Blast, which pretty much 2HKOes every Pokemon you'll encounter that doesn't resist it.

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    Espeon
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's very fast and strong, and there aren't too many Dark-types to worry about in-game.

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    Flaaffy
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has decent bulk and comes with Thunderbolt and Thunder Wave, and it makes for a very good Raikou replacement.

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    Makuhita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very early and with a powerful STAB Cross Chop which is very strong, plus it's one of the few good Fighting-types available.

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    Meditite

    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's a very useful Hariyama replacement, very strong, and has a decent Speed stat.

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    Quilava
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and strong, and it comes very early in the game.

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    Raikou
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    While it comes late in the game, it comes with a very strong STAB Thunder, and you get it at a decent level.

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    Suicune
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has very good stats, STAB Surf is very useful since it hits both opposing Pokemon, and it comes early enough in the game to still be useful, even more so than Croconaw.

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    Umbreon

    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has massive bulk and passable offenses which make it a great Pokemon to tank hits and do decent damage back.

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    Vibrava

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has decent stats, a good typing, is not far off from evolving upon capture, and Levitate is very useful in later battles since because many of the later opponents like to spam Earthquake.

    Mid Tier:

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    Furret
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, is decently strong, and has good enough stats to make it a great early-game Pokemon, but its usefulness fades against the tougher foes at the end of the game.

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    Heracross
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very, very strong, but just comes too late in the game to be more useful than Hariyama or Medicham.

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    Hitmontop

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's overall worse than Hariyama and Medicham,(comma) and has to rely on Triple Kick for STAB, but it's still pretty good.

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    Mantine
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has passable stats and is a decent replacement for Croconaw, but Suicune is still better.

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    Misdreavus
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's useful early-game, but not as good late-game due to its poor stats.

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    Noctowl
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It gets Hypnosis, which is helpful for capturing other Shadow Pokemon, and it comes early, but it's very weak offensively.

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    Quagsire
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's low Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.

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    Remoraid
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    Octillery is slow and Remoraid comes at a very low level, but it has a great movepool and good offenses.

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    Skiploom
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's very fast and Sleep Powder is very useful, but it's incredibly weak.

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    Stantler
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has passable stats and it comes with Hypnosis,(comma) which aids in capturing other Shadow Pokemon.

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    Swablu
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak offensively and defensively, but Sing is helpful, and there aren't many better choices for a Flying-type; also, and the resistances it gains as a Dragon-type are very helpful.


    Low Tier:

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    Absol

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game to be very useful.

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    Ariados
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with good STAB moves, but it's slow and weak.

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    Bayleef
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's not very strong offensively and has a lot of weaknesses defensively.

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    Dunsparce
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has mediocre stats and a poor level-up movepool.

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    Forretress
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a great typing, but it has a poor offensive movepool and it comes too late in the game.

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    Gligar
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has mediocre stats and a lackluster movepool.

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    Granbull
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and it's slow.

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    Houndoom
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game to be useful.

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    Metagross
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes too late in the game.

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    Miltank
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game.

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    Murkrow
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has poor defenses and a shallow movepool, plus it comes late in the game.

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    Piloswine
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's too slow and has too many weaknesses to be useful.

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    Qwilfish
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    While it's not necessarily a poor Pokemon, there are just too many better choices for a Water-type.

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    Scizor
    Stats: High
    Availability: Whenever you bother to waste $20 on an E-Reader. Good luck finding the card.
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It requires a crappy peripheral (E-Reader) that you have most likely tossed in the trash. Beyond that, it has a great typing and stats, but a very poor movepool.

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    Skarmory
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has weak offenses and comes late in the game.

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    Slugma
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Quilava and Entei are both superior, and Magcargo having 4x weaknesses to both Surf and Earthquake screams uselessness.

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    Sneasel
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has bad stats and no good STAB moves.

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    Sudowoodo
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Its defensive typing is terrible in doubles and its stats are mediocre.

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    Sunflora
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a poor typing, bad movepool, is extremely slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Tropius
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes far too late in the game and its movepool and typing are terrible.

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    Tyranitar
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes too late in the game.

    Bottom Tier:

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    Aipom
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's weak offensively and defensively, has a poor offensive movepool, and comes too late to be useful.

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    Delibird
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has a terrible typing, very poor stats, and comes too late in the game.

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    Ho-Oh
    Stats: Uber strong
    Availability: After you have beaten everything else.
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's incredibly powerful, but it comes after you beat the game, which means it is of absolutely no help.

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    Ledian
    Stats: Very Poor
    Availability: Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's just too weak offensively and defensively.

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    Plusle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's way too weak and comes at an extremely low level.

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    Shuckle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has awful offenses, a horrible movepool, and comes too late in the game.

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    Smeargle
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Ad infinitum
    Additional Comments:
    It's incredibly weak, comes with four awful moves, and comes too late in the game.

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    Togetic
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has poor offenses and comes too late in the game.

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    Ursaring
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very strong but comes very late in the game.

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    Yanma
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and has a terrible movepool.

    First post done, moving on to the second~

    Second Post (open)

    Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness In-Game Tier List


    High Tier:

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    Carvanha
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, is very fast and very strong, but it can't take a hit at all,(comma) which can make training difficult until it evolves into Sharpedo. It's ultimately outclassed by Vaporeon, but is a great alternative for a Water-type.

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    Eevee (Espeon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and powerful, learns excellent level-up moves, comes with Bite, and is the first Pokemon you get.

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    Eevee (Jolteon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's fast and powerful, easily able to procure a Thunder TM for its primary STAB attack, and the first Pokemon you get.

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    Eevee (Vaporeon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very bulky and strong, is the first Pokemon you get, and you get great TMs to teach it.

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    Growlithe
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game, comes with great STAB, can quickly evolve with a Fire Stone, and it's ultimately fast and powerful, though a bit outclassed by Houndoom.

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    Houndour
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, has a great typing, great STAB, and comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon at the time. You also get the Flamethrower TM shortly after evolving from the S.S. Libra, turning Houndoom into real powerhouse.

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    Makuhita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with a good moveset and is very strong. It's also the bulkiest of the obtainable Fighting-types as Hariyama.

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    Mareep
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early, has great level-up STAB, and comes at a level higher than the rest of your Pokemon. It also comes with Thunder Wave,(comma) which makes catching Shadow Pokemon super easy.

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    Ralts
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes decently early, has a good level-up movepool, and is fast and powerful as a Gardevoir. Not to mention Kirlia gets Psychic right away at level 26.

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    Shroomish
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Once it evolves it becomes a powerhouse and it has handy resistances to Earthquake, Surf, and Rock Slide. You can also get the Brick Break TM for STAB shortly after evolving from the Pyrite Colosseum.

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    Teddiursa
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very early, is very powerful, and has good level-up moves and a powerful STAB.

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    Wooper
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow, but it has a great typing and is decently powerful. It can be a bit of a pain to catch at the PokéSpots though.

    Upper Mid Tier:

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    Hoppip
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    Its attacks are weak,(comma) which makes it very hard to level up, but its high Speed coupled with Sleep Powder and handy resistances to Water-, Ground-, and Fighting-type attacks make it a GREAT supporter. It's also a fantastic choice for whittling down Shadow Pokemon for capture.

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    Meditite
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game and is a bit under-leveled, but it's very easy to level up through Mt. Battle, comes with perfect coverage, and is very, very powerful. However, it requires you to capture a Trapinch from the PokéSpots, which can end up being very time consuming.

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    Numel
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It has a good movepool and decent offenses, making it; makes a decent Houndour substitute.

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    Paras
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak and slow, but Spore is amazing in helping to catch Shadow Pokemon.

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    Roselia
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak defensively, but is incredibly strong when you catch it. It loses its usefulness late-game though.

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    Salamence
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes very late, but is very powerful and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon. It also comes at a high level and will usually have higher stats than many of your current Pokemon.

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    Spheal
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has a great STAB combo and is pretty bulky, but its late evolution will often hold it back because Sealeo is a pretty poor Pokemon in the later stages of the game.

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    Vulpix
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early and with a good moveset; Ninetales has good stats as well. However, it's outclassed by both Houndoom and Arcanine.

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    Weepinbell
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes late but it has Sleep Powder if you trade some PokéCoupons with the Move Relearner, and unlike Jumpluff, it can actually hurt things. It's actually the strongest Grass-type attacker you'll get in the game.

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    Zangoose
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes a bit late but is fast and very strong.

    Mid Tier:

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    Banette
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It comes late, has a shallow movepool, and is a little frail, but it has a high Attack stat and comes with Shadow Ball, which is incredibly strong. It's the best Ghost-type you get, though a rather poor Pokemon otherwise.

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    Dodrio
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes late, but is the best offensive Flying-type, aside from Salamence, you get. It's also pretty fast and comes with good moves once purified.

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    Eevee (Umbreon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and its attacks are weak, but is an extremely sturdy tank. You're better off choosing one of the other Eeveelutions as Sharpedo and Houndoom are much better Dark-types.

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    Electabuzz (Shadow)
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent (No elemental punches)
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. It's also decently fast and strong, which makes it a great alternative to Ampharos.

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    Elekid (Hordel)
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes later on and is under-leveled, but it comes with excellent attacks and is very easy to level up.

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    Gulpin
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It comes with Sing, which is helpful for capturing Shadow Pokemon, and it is moderately bulky.

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    Hitmonlee
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. It's also decently fast and strong, making a good alternative to Hariyama and Medicham.

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    Poochyena
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes early and is moderately powerful,(comma) which makes it useful early-game. It loses a lot of usefulness late-game though.

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    Seel
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes mid-game and with a good moveset, though it's mostly outclassed by Vaporeon and Walrein offensively and defensively.

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    Snorlax
    Stats: High
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very bulky and it makes a great meatshield for the final battle, although it comes so late that that's about all it's good for.

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    Swellow
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It can take Shadow-type attacks well and Shadow Half actually allows it to hurt the final boss's Pokemon. Plus, it's extremely fast and powerful if inflicted with status.

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    XD001 Lugia
    Stats: Uber Strong
    Availability: You get it right before the final boss battle.
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    Comes very late, but is very sturdy and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon. However, it requires you to lose the following battle and then go to the box and rebattle the boss since there is no break in between.

    Last part coming up soon ^.^
  16. Jellicent

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    Third Post (open)
    Lower Mid Tier:

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    Arbok
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and is not that powerful, but it comes with Shadow Half,(comma) which makes it useful for a while.

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    Butterfree
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game, though Sleep Powder is cool for catching Shadow Pokemon.

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    Duskull
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It has bad stats and is very slow,(comma) making it hard to train and use effectively.

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    Eevee (Flareon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and there are a ton of better Fire-type Pokemon to choose from.

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    Golduck
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes a little late, but is one of the better Water-types you get in the game. It's also much faster than Quagsire, Walrein, and Dewgong, making it a great alternative to Vaporeon.

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    Grimer
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    Its stats simply aren't good enough, and being a slow Pokemon that is weak to Earthquake is very bad in the final battles. However, it has a very high Attack stat and is bulky like Swalot, making it a decent alternative.

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    Lapras
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes very late, but is extremely bulky and moderately powerful, making it a good choice for a meatshield (assuming it's still a Shadow Pokemon) for the final boss.

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    Lunatone
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's slow and only somewhat powerful, though it will be at a higher level than the rest of your Pokemon when you catch it.

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    Magneton
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It has good stats and a great typing, but simply comes too late in the game to be more useful than Ampharos or Jolteon.

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    Mawile
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It h
    as very bad stats and no good STAB moves, but it does have a great typing for when you catch it.

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    Natu
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    There's no reason to use it over Ralts, whose (Whose over who's, but I don't think either is correct when referring to an it. Dunno what's preferred, though >.>) evolution sports a better movepool and higher stats.

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    Seedot
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and doesn't have any good STAB moves, though you get a Leaf Stone very early, allowing you to have a Shiftry very early in the game.

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    Shellder

    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Spearow
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and defensively, but is one of the better Flying-types available.

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    Spinarak
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak defensively, but comes with Signal Beam, making it a strong attacker early-game.

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    Venomoth
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It comes too late in the game and is not that powerful, but is possible to get Sleep Powder from the Move Relearner.

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    Voltorb
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak offensively and defensively, making it outclassed by better Electric-types.

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    Zubat
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's tedious to train early on, but Crobat has great stats,(comma) making it a decent attacker.

    Low Tier:

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    Altaria
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's about the only Dragon-type available until the last couple of battles, and its typing is very nice for tanking attacks. However, it comes with a horrid movepool and low attacking stats, making it hard to use and outclassed by many other Pokemon.

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    Aron
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's very powerful once evolved, but it comes late in the game and is hard to train.

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    Baltoy
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and slow to use.

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    Dugtrio
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late in the game and is very frail, making it not worth training. It is very fast and comes with STAB Earthquake though.

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    Hitmonchan
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's the worst Fighting-type you get in-game and heavily outclassed by Hitmonlee, Hariyama, Medicham, and Breloom.

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    Hypno
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's very bulky and somewhat powerful, but is utterly outclassed by Espeon and Gardevoir.

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    Kangaskhan
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but comes with a bad movepool and is harshly outclassed by Ursaring.

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    Larvitar
    Stats: High
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments:
    It's very powerful once evolved, but comes too late, is hard to get, and very hard to train.

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    Magmar
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It isn't a bad Pokemon, just outclassed by the ton of other Fire-types available.

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    Manectric
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late and will be outclassed by Jolteon and Ampharos by then.

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    Marowak
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's extremely powerful, but comes very late
    ,(comma) making it unusable for the final battle.

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    Meowth
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak offensively and defensively to be useful.

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    Mr. Mime
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's strong
    ,(comma) but super frail defensively. It also comes too late to be more useful than Espeon and Gardevoir.

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    Pidgeotto
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak offensively and defensively to be useful.

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    Pinsir
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong
    ,(comma) but comes with a horrid movepool and it receives no good STAB.

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    Poliwrath
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes very late and is outclassed as both a Water- and Fighting-type. It is bulky though
    ,(comma) which could make it a useful meatshield for the last couple of battles.

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    Primeape
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's fast and kinda strong, but ultimately outclassed by the other Fighting-types available earlier in the game.

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    Rapidash
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but comes too late to be more useful than the other Fire-types available.

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    Solrock
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It has a neat typing and stat distribution, but comes too late in the game.

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    Starmie
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments: It's an amazing Pokemon, but comes super late in the game
    ,(comma) by which time it's outclassed by the other Water-types available.

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    Tangela
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too slow and has a bad typing to be useful, though Sleep Powder is cool.

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    Trapinch
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It h
    as a terrible level-up movepool, and its evolutions come too late.

    Bottom Tier:

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    Beedrill
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's weak, slow, and comes too late in the game.

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    Chansey
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's super bulky specially defensively, but has zero offensive capabilities.

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    Delcatty
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's comparatively strong upon capture, but quickly loses its usefulness due to its extremely poor stats.

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    Farfetch'd
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's a terrible Pokemon
    ,(comma) and on top of that it comes late in the game.

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    Gligar
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It h
    as a terrible level-up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.

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    Ledyba
    Stats: Very Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's too weak and slow to use.

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    Lickitung
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It comes late and with a terrible movepool, plus it is very weak offensively.

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    Magcargo
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's decent offensively, but has possibly the worst typing available for double battles.

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    Nosepass
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's very weak and very slow.

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    Phanpy
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It h
    as a terrible level-up movepool, making it almost impossible to train.

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    Pineco
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    Unless you want to blow up with Explosion or Selfdestruct,(comma) it's not powerful enough.

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    Raticate
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It has only decent stats at best, and comes with a horrible movepool, though Super Fang could be useful for catching the remaining Shadow Pokemon.

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    Sableye
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It has absolutely horrid stats and comes with a poor movepool.

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    Sandshrew
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's
    entirely outclassed by Phanpy, who which in itself is bad.

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    Scyther
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, but has possibly the worst movepool ever.

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    Shuckle
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Horrid
    Additional Comments: It has zero offensive capabilities, making it hard to train and use.

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    Snorunt
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It's outclassed by both Seel and Spheal, which who both have better stats.

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    Surskit
    Stats: Poor
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments:
    It's simply too weak.

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    Swinub
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It h
    as a ton of weaknesses and is weak defensively.

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    Togepi
    Stats: Below Average
    Availability: Early Mid-game
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments:
    It comes way too late to train and is not even good once it is trained.

    Basement Tier:

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    Articuno
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Chikorita
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Cyndaquil
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Dragonite
    Stats: Very High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments: It can't be captured until completing the main storyline.

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    Exeggutor
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Moltres
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Shallow
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Rhydon
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Tauros
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

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    Totodile
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It requires you to complete the Mt. Battle with the original team you registered when first entering.

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    Zapdos
    Stats: High
    Availability: Very Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's captured during the final boss fight.

    The earlier ones had a subject in the first sentence, so I added them to the latter ones for consistency (usually just Is --> It's). I think it's "level-up moves", "an easy level up". Ignore me if I'm off there. Also, PokéCoupons and PokéSpots are singular words, I think >.>
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    1/2
    Solid work ^.^
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    Implemented. I'm almost positive it's a space in Poke Spots and Poke Coupons, I'm going to check again tonight though to make sure.

    EDIT: yeah just checked and there is a space between the two words
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    I don't know if it's too late to post this, but I have to say I disagree with Lugia's description. You say: "...it requires you to lose the following battle and then go to the box and rebattle the boss since there is no break in between". If you battle Greevil with 5 Pokémon in your team, Lugia will be in your party after catching it, so it's not necessary to lose the battle to have Lugia in your party. In fact, I think that it's recommended to battle Greevil with 5 Pokémon in your team, in order to have Lugia ready in the battle, because it's very important to wall Greevil's Shadow Pokémon attacks while you are trying to catch them. All in all, I think those additional comments must be changed. Also, I think Flareon should be in the same tier as Numel. It's outclassed by Arcanine and Houndoom, but it's not worse than Camerupt. I've tried both, and both work well, the problem with Camerupt is that Numel evolves too late (Lv 33), but Flareon is available much earlier. Flareon isn't also as weak as Camerupt to Water-type moves, and has access to Flamethrower, and Shadow Ball.

    These in-game tiers are amazing. I've beaten this game a few times. I remember training a Phanpy, who is in the bottom tier, and I had to go with Take Down until it learnt EQ... I shouldn't have done it; however, Donphan STAB EQ is amazing late in the game, but I don't think it's worth the effort training...
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    O didn't notice you posted Alonso lol

    Updated with your comments
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    Colosseum

    Okay instead of c/ping the entire check here and dicking around with sprites, I'm going to just paste the parts that I actually made changes... there are very few of them lol.

    Colosseum
    The best possible Pokemon is one that is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and takes 1 hpHP damage from everything, while also learning every possible HM, heals itself automatically, and has some neat ability to top it off. Such a Pokemon doesn't exist, of course, but this means that Pokemon closer to this ideal are the best ones possible.
    ...

    Team size is actually by far most efficient if you use one member, but I'm assuming something more like 3 members as otherwise you get extremely centralized lists with starters and early(space)game Pokemon at the far top and everything else is pretty much too crappy to bother with.

    ...

    Quagsire
    Stats: Average
    Availability: Early
    Movepool: Wide
    Additional Comments: It's low Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.

    XD

    Eevee (Vaporeon)
    Stats: High
    Availability: Beginning
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It's very bulky and strong, is the first Pokemon you get, and you get great TMs to teach it. It also gets STAB Surf which hits both of your opponent's Pokemon.

    ...


    Dodrio
    Stats: Above Average
    Availability: Late
    Movepool: Decent
    Additional Comments: It comes late, but is the best offensive Flying-type you get, aside from Salamence, you get. It's also pretty fast and comes with good moves once purified.


    ...

    XD001 Lugia
    Stats: Uber Strong
    Availability: You get it right before the final boss battle.
    Movepool: Very Wide
    Additional Comments: Comes very late, but is very sturdy and extremely useful in the final battle to wear down and take hits from Shadow Pokemon. However, it requires you to either lose the following battle and then go to the box and rebattle the boss since there is no break in between, or enter the battle versus Greevisl with only 5 Pokemon.

    lol General Greevis

    [gp]4/2 or something[/gp]

    edit: ty melvni
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    Just adding one small change on top of NixHex's:

    Good job for writing all this up... gp 4.00367/2
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    Thanks Nix and melvni for checking this, I'll HTML it myself here soon.
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    Uh…

    Unless I'm mistaken, you can't actually teach Surf to Vaporeon, since you don't have access to any of the HMs in the console games.
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    yeah you're right, fixed
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    Pokemon Colosseum In-game Tier List
    [head]
    <meta name="description" content="An article with the in-game tier list from the game Pokemon Colosseum, in an effort to help your in-game Pokemon choices, courtesy of Fireburn and Oglemi." />
    [page]
    <div class="author">By <a href="/forums/member.php?u=29197">Fireburn</a> and <a href="/forums/member.php?u=40358">Oglemi</a>.</div>
    
    <ol class="toc">
    <li><a href="#intro">Introduction</a></li>
    <li><a href="#high">High Tier</a></li>
    <li><a href="#mid">Mid Tier</a></li>
    <li><a href="#low">Low Tier</a></li>
    <li><a href="#bottom">Bottom Tier</a></li>
    </ol>
    
    <h2><a name="intro">Introduction</a></h2>
    
    <p>The best possible Pokemon is one that is obtained at the start of the game, can OHKO enemies off the bat, and takes 1 HP damage from everything, while also learning every possible HM, healing itself automatically, and having some neat ability to top it off. Such a Pokemon doesn't exist, of course, but this means that Pokemon closer to this ideal are the best ones possible.</p>
    
    <p>The goal of this in-game tier list is to recommend a select group of Pokemon for an efficient run through of the game. Those will be put in High tier. Very inefficient Pokemon will be put in Low. Things that are neither efficient nor inefficient, for example Pokemon that have some opportunity cost but end up as good as High ones, will be put in the Middle.</p>
    
    <p>Resources are available, but come with the cost of not being able to give it to other Pokemon. Giving Super Potions is fine because you can buy them and you have almost infinite money in the game. Giving a Pokemon a TM like the Dig in RBY cannot simply be assumed as there is likely lots of competition for it. The less competition there is for a TM, the more likely it is that the Pokemon in question can get said TM. A purchasable TM can always be assumed, of course.</p>
    
    <p>Don't confuse an efficient run with a speed run. Speed runs are often segmented and recorded runs with luck manipulation through resets, and aim for the absolute fastest time, but the real time spent on them is usually much, much more. Just assume you want to play through in a relatively low time frame.</p>
    
    <p>Team size is actually by far most efficient if you use one member, but I'm assuming something more like 3 members as otherwise you get extremely centralized lists with starters and early-game Pokemon at the far top and everything else is pretty much too crappy to bother with.</p>
    
    <p>The tiers for Colosseum are based on the following:</p>
    
    <ul>
    <li>Availability: Can you get them early on and are they easy to get?</li>
    <li>Stats: Do they have a usable stat distribution?</li>
    <li>Moves: Do they have a good movepool that needs little TM support? (By that I mean hard to replace TMs such as ones you get from Gyms.)</li>
    <li>Power: Are they strong enough to sweep through enemies without taking too much damage in return?</li>
    <li>Type: Do they have useful STABs and resistances?</li>
    <li>Match-ups: Do they fare well in boss battles?</li>
    </ul>
    
    <h2><a name="high">High Tier</a></h2>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/159.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Croconaw</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has good stats, comes early, but unfortunately is slightly worse than Suicune.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/244.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Entei</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has good stats and comes at a high level, along with STAB Fire Blast, which pretty much 2HKOes every Pokemon you'll encounter that doesn't resist it.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/196.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Espeon</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Beginning</dd>
    <dd>Stats: High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very fast and strong, and there aren't too many Dark-types to worry about in-game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/180.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Flaaffy</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has decent bulk and comes with Thunderbolt and Thunder Wave, and it makes for a very good Raikou replacement.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/296.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Makuhita</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes very early and with a powerful STAB Cross Chop, plus it's one of the few good Fighting-types available.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/307.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Meditite</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's a very useful Hariyama replacement, very strong, and has a decent Speed stat.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/156.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Quilava</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's fast and strong, and it comes very early in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/243.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Raikou</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: While it comes late in the game, it comes with a very strong STAB Thunder, and you get it at a decent level.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/245.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Suicune</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has very good stats, STAB Surf is very useful since it hits both opposing Pokemon, and it comes early enough in the game to still be useful, even more so than Croconaw.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/197.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Umbreon</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Beginning</dd>
    <dd>Stats: High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has massive bulk and passable offenses which make it a great Pokemon to tank hits and do decent damage back.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/329.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Vibrava</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has decent stats, a good typing, is not far off from evolving upon capture, and Levitate is very useful in later battles because many of the later opponents like to spam Earthquake.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <h2><a name="mid">Mid Tier</a></h2>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/162.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Furret</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes early, is decently strong, and has good enough stats to make it a great early-game Pokemon, but its usefulness fades against the tougher foes at the end of the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/214.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Heracross</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very, very strong, but just comes too late in the game to be more useful than Hariyama or Medicham.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/237.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Hitmontop</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's overall worse than Hariyama and Medicham, and has to rely on Triple Kick for STAB, but it's still pretty good.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/226.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Mantine</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has passable stats and is a decent replacement for Croconaw, but Suicune is still better.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/200.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Misdreavus</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's useful early-game, but not as good late-game due to its poor stats.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/164.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Noctowl</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It gets Hypnosis, which is helpful for capturing other Shadow Pokemon, and comes early, but it's very weak offensively.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/195.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Quagsire</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: Its low Speed hurts its effectiveness, but it has a good typing, defenses, and movepool.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/223.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Remoraid</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Very Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: Octillery is slow and Remoraid comes at a very low level, but it has a great movepool and good offenses.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/188.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Skiploom</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very fast and Sleep Powder is very useful, but it's incredibly weak.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/234.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Stantler</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has passable stats and comes with Hypnosis, which aids in capturing other Shadow Pokemon.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/333.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Swablu</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's weak offensively and defensively, but Sing is helpful, and there aren't many better choices for a Flying-type; also, the resistances it gains as a Dragon-type are very helpful.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <h2><a name="low">Low Tier</a></h2>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/359.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Absol</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes far too late in the game to be very useful.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/168.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Ariados</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes with good STAB moves, but it's slow and weak.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/153.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Bayleef</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's not very strong offensively and has a lot of weaknesses defensively.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/206.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Dunsparce</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has mediocre stats and a poor level-up movepool.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/205.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Forretress</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has a great typing, but it has a poor offensive movepool and it comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/207.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Gligar</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Below Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has mediocre stats and a lackluster movepool.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/210.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Granbull</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes too late in the game and it's slow.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/229.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Houndoom</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes far too late in the game to be useful.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/376.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Metagross</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very strong but comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/241.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Miltank</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes far too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/198.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Murkrow</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Below Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has poor defenses and a shallow movepool, plus it comes late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/221.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Piloswine</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's too slow and has too many weaknesses to be useful.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/211.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Qwilfish</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: While it's not necessarily a poor Pokemon, there are just too many better choices for a Water-type.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/212.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Scizor</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Whenever you bother to waste $20 on an E-Reader. Good luck finding the card.</dd>
    <dd>Stats: High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It requires a crappy peripheral (E-Reader) that you have most likely tossed in the trash. Beyond that, it has a great typing and stats, but a very poor movepool.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/227.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Skarmory</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has weak offenses and comes late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/218.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Slugma</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: Quilava and Entei are both superior, and Magcargo having 4x weaknesses to both Surf and Earthquake screams uselessness.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/215.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Sneasel</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Below Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has bad stats and no good STAB moves.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/185.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Sudowoodo</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Below Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: Its defensive typing is terrible in doubles and its stats are mediocre.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/192.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Sunflora</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has a poor typing, bad movepool, is extremely slow, and comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/357.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Tropius</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It comes far too late in the game and its movepool and typing are terrible.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/248.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Tyranitar</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very High</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very strong but comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <h2><a name="bottom">Bottom Tier</a></h2>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/190.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Aipom</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Decent</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's weak offensively and defensively, has a poor offensive movepool, and comes too late to be useful.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/225.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Delibird</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has a terrible typing, very poor stats, and comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/250.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Ho-Oh</dt>
    <dd>Availability: After you have beaten everything else.</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Uber strong</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Very Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's incredibly powerful, but it comes after you beat the game, which means it is of absolutely no help.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/166.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Ledian</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Mid-game</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Very Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's just too weak offensively and defensively.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/311.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Plusle</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's way too weak and comes at an extremely low level.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/213.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Shuckle</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has awful offenses, a horrible movepool, and comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/235.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Smeargle</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Ad infinitum</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's incredibly weak, comes with four awful moves, and comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/176.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Togetic</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It has poor offenses and comes too late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/217.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Ursaring</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Very Late</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Above Average</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Wide</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's very strong but comes very late in the game.</dd>
    </dl>
    
    <p><img src="/download/sprites/rs/193.png" alt="" /></p>
    <dl>
    <dt>Yanma</dt>
    <dd>Availability: Early</dd>
    <dd>Stats: Poor</dd>
    <dd>Movepool: Shallow</dd>
    <dd>Additional Comments: It's too weak offensively and has a terrible movepool.</dd>
    </dl>
    

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