Project PU Victim of the week - Week 47: Agility Kingler

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hit sleep powder (Jumpluff)
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Swords Dance
- Sleep Powder
- Seed Bomb

Jumpluff only checks Carracosta if it is an Adamant version as Jolly Costa outruns at +2 and OHKOs. Otherwise, it avoids the KO from Aqua Jet and KOs back with Seed Bomb after lowered defenses

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Jumpluff: 109-129 (37.4 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Jumpluff Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Carracosta: 180-216 (62 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Quilladin as a counter
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Quilladin @ Eviolite
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Seed Bomb
- Leech Seed / Roar
- Spikes
- Synthesis

Quilladin switches into Carracosta and at +2, lives a Stone Edge / Zen Headbutt / Aqua Jet and retaliates with a Seed Bomb to OHKO (after the defense drop and 1 life orb hit)

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Quilladin: 204-242 (62.7 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

8 Atk Quilladin Seed Bomb vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Solid Rock Carracosta: 252-297 (87.1 - 102.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
 
Again a very nice turnout for this week. also try to have some patience BoxedOccaBerrys, it isn't a competition to see who can list the best counter for a certain mon, plus like I said before, this changes on a weekly basis. Anyway, I'll update the archive with the checks/counters.

Checks: Gourgeist-XL (Raiza.) / Floatzel (Magnemite) / Sawsbuck (BenOhver) / Rotom-F (365pokemon) / Jumpluff (scorpdestroyer)
Counters: Torterra (BoxedOccaBerrys) / Tangela (ManOfMany) / Metang (Rennyjesus) / Quilladin (Dundies)

Week 10:

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Ninetales @ Passho Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: NaN Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Psyshock

Like previous times, you have one week to post your check/counter.
 
Grumpig as a counter
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Grumpig @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Psychic / Seismic Toss
- Whirlwind
- Thunder Wave / Toxic
- Heal Bell / Taunt

There's your optimal Ninetales wall, literally, Grumpig is a dedicated special wall with the unique characteristic of Thick Fat, a great ability that makes it also wall better other special attackers such as Aurorus and Regice. Talking about the matchup against Ninetales, Grumpig basically eats every of its moves easily, and in exchange it can cripple Ninetales with Thunder Wave, hit it with Psychic or Seismic Toss, dealing decent damage or directly force its switch with Whirlwind, only drawback is its lack of recovery, but can be made up with wish, especially on defensive teams and stall where wish pass and Grumpig are seen often.

252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Grumpig: 45-54 (12.3 - 14.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Thick Fat Grumpig: 88-105 (24.1 - 28.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grumpig: 96-114 (26.3 - 31.3%) -- 19% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Grumpig Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ninetales: 90-106 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- 76.1% chance to 3HKO
 
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reserving probopass, although tbh that ninetales set is outdated because you don't need psyshock anymore (although I guess it gives it more counters)
 
Reserving the pink blob of PU

Lickilicky as a check
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Lickilicky @ Leftovers
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Knock Off
- Return / Body Slam

Lickilicky switches in with ease as long as it is at good health and no hazard stack, and 2HKOes it with Return with entry hazards up (small chance to 2HKO without entry hazards). You can also fish for paralyzes with Body Slam but stall usually likes poison or burns instead of paralysis.

0 Atk Lickilicky Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 121-144 (42.1 - 50.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 99-117 (23.4 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Lickilicky: 195-231 (46 - 54.6%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 
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Zweilous as a counter

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Zweilous @ Eviolite
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Dragon Tail
- Crunch

Zweilous can take any hit from Ninetales even at +2 and 2HKO back with Crunch.

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Zweilous: 78-93 (22.4 - 26.7%) -- 24.7% chance to 4HKO

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Zweilous: 43-51 (12.3 - 14.6%) -- possible 7HKO

4 Atk Hustle Zweilous Crunch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 144-171 (50.1 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Torkoal as a check

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Torkoal @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Lava Plume
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin

Without a Nasty Plot, Torkoal can take any two hits easily and 2HKO back with Earthquake. The reason I didn't list it as a counter is because with Ninetales at +2, it has a 59% chance to 2HKO Torkoal.

Ninetales to Torkoal
252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 28 SpD Torkoal: 84-99 (24.4 - 28.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 248 HP / 28 SpD Torkoal: 46-54 (13.4 - 15.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Torkoal: 37-44 (10.7 - 12.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever

Ninetales to Torkoal at +2
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 28 SpD Torkoal: 168-198 (48.9 - 57.7%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 248 HP / 28 SpD Torkoal: 92-108 (26.8 - 31.4%) -- 28.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Ninetales Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Torkoal: 73-87 (21.2 - 25.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

Torkoal to Ninetales
0 Atk Torkoal Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 160-190 (55.7 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
(double post, sorry)
Reserving Gabite As Your God
Status: Check
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Land JAWS (Gabite) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely/Hasty Nature
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge

Gabite Mainly Counters Ninetales With Outspeeding And A Powerful Earthquake. Even Without A Speed Boosting Nature, It Outspeeds Ninetales With It's Scarf, But Only With The Scarf (speeds below).

Gabite With Scarf (no speed boosting nature) Max Speed EVs : 394.5, Rounded Up To 395
Gabite With Scarf + Speed Boosting Nature Max Speed EVs: 433.5, Rounded To 434
Ninetales From The Set Above: 328 Speed.

The Main Reason Why Gabite Isn't A Counter Is Because It Is 1 Hit KO'd By Almost All Of Ninetales Moves At +2. Gabite Can 1 Hit KO It With Earthquake, Or By The Off Chance There Is A Crit On Stone Edge, You Can Still 1HKO (see calcs below for proof)

Gabite's Attacks:
(+Attack Nature)
252+ Atk Gabite Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 356-420 (123.6 - 145.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Gabite Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 238-280 (82.6 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Gabite Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales on a critical hit: 356-420 (123.6 - 145.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(Neutral Attack Nature)
252 Atk Gabite Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 324-384 (112.5 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Gabite Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 324-384 (112.5 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Gabite Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales on a critical hit: 326-384 (113.1 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ninetales's Attacks:
(No Nasty Plot Used Yet)
252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gabite: 136-162 (49 - 58.4%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gabite: 151-178 (54.5 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4- Def Gabite: 130-153 (46.9 - 55.2%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO
(Nasty Plot Used Once)
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gabite: 274-324 (98.9 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gabite: 300-354 (108.3 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4- Def Gabite: 259-305 (93.5 - 110.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
 
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Floatzel as Check

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Floatzel @ Choice Specs
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Switcheroo

252 SpA Choice Specs Floatzel Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Passho Berry Ninetales: 202-238 (70.3 - 82.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Floatzel: 248-292 (79.7 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Floatzel: 492-580 (158.1 - 186.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Floatzel as Check

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Floatzel @ Choice Specs
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Switcheroo

252 SpA Floatzel Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales: 270-318 (94 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Floatzel: 248-292 (79.7 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Floatzel: 492-580 (158.1 - 186.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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I put Passho Berry on Ninetales. Just wondering if you knew that.
 
Rapidash as an offensive Check

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Rapidash @ Charcoal
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Drill Run
- Wild Charge
- Morning Sun

While the two cannot hurt each other with their STAB moves, Rapidash has the upper hand thanks to its greater Speed and drill run to hit ninetales super effectively. Rapidash can come in on preferrably a predicted Fire type attack or Energy Ball, but it can still win in some scenarios if Ninetales sets up a Nasty Plot on the switch. Note that Rapidash is a much shakier check to Life Orb variants.

252 Atk Rapidash Drill Run vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ninetales: 186-220 (64.8 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Ninetales Energy Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Rapidash: 43-51 (15.8 - 18.8%) -- possible 6HKO

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Ninetales Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rapidash: 221-260 (81.5 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - worst case scenario
 
also you don't have specs on that calc, p sure it's a good chance to KO after SR though

EDIT- WOOP MENTAL CALC
 
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Kingler12345 said:
also you don't have specs on that calc, p sure it's a good chance to KO after SR though
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252 SpA Choice Specs Floatzel Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Passho Berry Ninetales: 202-238 (70.3 - 82.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

This is what you meant to do BenOhver. Just clarifying what Kingler12345 pointed out.
 
Probopass as a Check:

Probopass @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 168 SpD / 84 Spe
Calm Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Volt Switch
- Thunder Wave
- Power Gem

This Probopass variant can check Ninetales fairly well and can be sent in many times due to it's great special bulk coupled with leftovers recovery. Probopass can cripple Ninetales with Thunder Wave , or fire off a Power Gem, 2hko'ing it after prior damage.


252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Probopass: 76-90 (23.4 - 27.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Probopass: 150-177 (46.2 - 54.6%) -- 6.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Notable Calc:

252 SpA Ninetales Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 168+ SpD Probopass: 112-132 (34.5 - 40.7%) -- 50.6% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (Has become more common on Ninetales. HP Ground turns Probopass into a much shakier check)

0 SpA Probopass Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales: 134-162 (46.6 - 56.4%) -- 78.1% chance to 2HKO (Guaranteed after rocks)
 
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GasQuake Zard took to long to submit so his reservation is invalid;

lucas hobbs If you are running that much speed on probo it's much better to just make it an offensive pivot with the rest of the EV's in SpA instead of SpD.
 
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GasQuake Zard took to long to submit so his reservation is invalid;

lucas hobbs If you are running that much speed on probo it's much better to just make it an offensive pivot with the rest of the EV's in SpA instead of SpD.
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It was the set mentioned by Raiza in the PU analysis, so I figured it would be a better post than the offensive pivot set to showcase how well Probopass can take a hit from Ninetales. I was originally planning on posting the offensive pivot set however.
 
Updating the archive with the checks/counters. Nice amount of diverstiy this week.

Checks: Lickilicky (GrimoireGod) / Rapidash (boltsandbombers) / Probopass (lucas hobbs)
Counters: Grumpig (Raiza.) / Zweilous (TONE114)

Week 11:

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Ursaring @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Quick Feet
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Facade
- Close Combat
- Crunch

You know the drill. You have a week to post your check/counter and Happy Easter to those who celebrate it! Also I'm going to choose the 3 best checks/counters for each week (supposed to be doing that from the get go ik lol.)
 
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Poliwrath as a check

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Circle Throw
- Scald
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Poliwrath can tank a few hits from Ursaring and recover them up, while Ursaring struggles against Poison, or directly go for the Circle Throw, dealing decent amount of damage, preventing it from setting up a Swords Dance. Though Poliwrath it gets 2HKO'd by Facade, so it can't really switch on it and has to be healthy to manage to deal with Ursaring.

252 Atk Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Poliwrath: 171-202 (44.5 - 52.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Poliwrath Circle Throw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ursaring: 158-188 (49 - 58.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after toxic damage
 
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Crobink as Reliable Counter

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Diamond Rock @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Moonblast

Crobink is an efficient and reliable check to Ursaring which is one of the few Pokemon who can take it's Facade for not much damage and also resists Crunch from it. Ursaring can get dangerous after a few Swords Dance Boosts, but can be reliably taken on by diamond rock. After Toxic damage, the defense drops from Close Combat and Moonblasts, Ursaring can easily be neutralized.

252 Atk Ursaring Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 71-84 (23.3 - 27.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 62-73 (20.3 - 24%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Ursaring Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 141-167 (46.3 - 54.9%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Carbink Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Ursaring: 76-90 (23.6 - 27.9%) -- 2.8% chance to 3HKO after toxic damage

4 SpA Carbink Moonblast vs. -1 4 HP / 0 SpD Ursaring: 114-135 (35.4 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after toxic damage
 
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