Tournament PUPL VII Discussion Thread

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  1. HJAD 25000
  2. Finchinator 23000
  3. robjr 23000
  4. kttverde 22500
  5. Heysup 21000
  6. Star 21000
  7. EviGaro 20500
  8. Chloe 20000
  9. termi 19000
  10. tlenit 18500
  11. Taskr 18500
  12. keppy 18000
  13. mz 18000
  14. Feliburn 17500
  15. LordST 17000
  16. asa 16000
  17. bagoftrixx 15000
  18. zS 15000
  19. lighthouses 15000
  20. DnB 14500
  21. PinkDragonTamer 14000
  22. GeneralAnnoyance 14000
  23. DrReuniclus 13000
  24. Lockjaw 13000
  25. Akir 13000
  26. JabbaTheGriffin 12000
  27. snaga 11500
  28. avarice 11000
  29. bb skarm 10500
  30. Raiza 10500
  31. TJ 10500
  32. Squash 10000
  33. yandaud 10000
  34. Bouff 10000
  35. xiri 9500
  36. ShuckleDeath 9500
  37. Lilburr 9500
  38. Blue YM 9500
  39. Jisoo 8000
  40. TDK 8000
  41. Sensei Axew 7000
  42. Twix 7000
  43. Z Strats 6500
  44. Alkione 6500
  45. Tone 6000
  46. Aurella 6000
  47. roxiee 6000
  48. atomicllamas 6000
  49. Lambovino 6000
  50. PTF 6000
  51. tko 5500
  52. BulbaBrain 5000
  53. Kink 5000
  54. Greybaum 5000
  55. umbry 5000
  56. Serene Grace 5000
  57. Skysolo 5000
  58. Decem 4500
  59. Expulso 4000
  60. SBPC 4000
  61. Landon 4000
  62. Nalorium 4000
  63. LpZ 4000
  64. Osh 4000
  65. SergioRules 4000
  66. Punny 3500
  67. col49 3500
  68. Beksel 3000
  69. devin 3000
  70. gorex 3000
  71. Pak 3000
  72. Mac3 3000
  73. PU Rules 3000
  74. Ryan207 3000
  75. Maki 3000
  76. jonfilch 3000
  77. Brandon 3000
  78. Raichy 3000
  79. ojr 3000
  80. ToastedBunzzz02 3000
  81. TSR 3000
  82. Estarossa 3000
  83. Oathkeepre 3000
  84. hs 3000
  85. jcbc 3000
  86. Wingless 3000
  87. INSANECARZYGUY 3000
  88. Perish Song 3000
  89. starry blanket 3000
 

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  1. Finchinator 30000
  2. ktutverde 28500
  3. Star 28000
  4. Lilburr 21500
  5. xiri 20500
  6. Chloe 20500
  7. TJ 20500
  8. Punny 20500
  9. HJAD 20000
  10. termi 20000
  11. tlenit 19500
  12. EviGaro 17000
  13. gum 16500
  14. yandaud 16000
  15. umbry 15000
  16. Sensei Axew 15000
  17. GeneralAnnoyance 14500
  18. Teddeh 14500
  19. Heysup 14500
  20. Sjneider 14000
  21. robjr 13500
  22. LordST 12000
  23. Taskr 11500
  24. DnB 11000
  25. Feliburn 10500
  26. asa 10500
  27. Aliss 10500
  28. Jisoo 10000
  29. SBPC 10000
  30. TDK 10000
  31. PinkDragonTamer 9500
  32. atomicllamas 9000
  33. mz 9000
  34. Lockjaw 8500
  35. keppy 8500
  36. Osh 8500
  37. TSR 8000
  38. gorex 8000
  39. Kink 8000
  40. col49 8000
  41. ProDigeZz 7500
  42. Bouff 7000
  43. Akir 7000
  44. tko 7000
  45. hs 6500
  46. Expulso 6500
  47. snaga 6000
  48. SergioRules 6000
  49. avarice 6000
  50. Roseybear 6000
  51. Raiza 6000
  52. Maki 5500
  53. Squash 5000
  54. PTF 5000
  55. Mr.Bossaru 5000
  56. Jaajgko 5000
  57. mncmt 4500
  58. bagoftrixx 4500
  59. Pak 4500
  60. Chaitanya 4000
  61. Feaniix 4000
  62. Tone 4000
  63. Landon 4000
  64. Twix 3500
  65. Tack 3500
  66. Lambovino 3500
  67. Decem 3500
  68. Z Strats 3500
  69. daniYSB 3000
  70. Hys 3000
  71. Toy Time King 3000
  72. ausma 3000
  73. Aurella 3000
  74. ez 3000
  75. jcbc 3000
  76. Raahel 3000
  77. bb skarm 3000
  78. Wingless 3000
  79. pattek 3000
  80. starry blanket 3000
  81. London13 3000
  82. zS 3000
  83. Serene Grace 3000
  84. lighthouses 3000
  85. Splash 3000
  86. FU SHUN HA 3000
  87. Greybaum 3000
  88. Raichy 3000
  89. Estarossa 3000
  90. ShuckleDeath 3000
  91. LpZ 3000
  92. wilddrud 3000
  93. QWILY 3000
 

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ktutverde29500
Star25500
Finchinator21000
TJ21000
HJAD21000
xiri20000
Punny19500
EviGaro19000
Lilburr18000
Heysup17000
robjr17000
bobbydagen16500
Taskr16500
termi16500
tlenit16000
Chloe16000
TDK15000
LordST15000
GeneralAnnoyance14000
Sensei Axew13500
mz13500
Aliss13000
zS12000
umbry12000
DnB12000
Teddeh11500
Feliburn11000
Raiza11000
PinkDragonTamer10500
snaga10000
asa10000
eternally10000
keppy9500
TSR9000
Akir9000
gum8500
Osh8500
bagoftrixx8000
lighthouses8000
wilddrud8000
tko7500
Raichy7500
somalia7500
Greybaum7500
Expulso7000
Lockjaw7000
PTF7000
atomicllamas7000
roxiee7000
Squash7000
Sjneider7000
ShuckleDeath6000
Serene Grace6000
bushtush5500
mncmt5000
Jisoo5000
avarice5000
Z Strats5000
yandaud5000
jcbc4500
col494000
zoowi4000
Alkione4000
Askov3500
Tone3500
jonfilch3500
Roseybear3500
SergioRules3500
London133000
manofmany3000
malekith3000
ez3000
Maki3000
vulxpix033000
TeamCharm3000
SBPC3000
pattek3000
Bouff3000
Blue YM3000
Oathkeepre3000
Wingless3000
Decem3000
Skysolo3000
Aurella3000
StarBlim3000
hs3000
ToastedBunzzz023000
Toy Time King3000
Kink3000
Estarossa3000
ojr3000
 

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ktutverde29000
Punny24500
Star24000
tlenit23500
TDK23000
keppy20000
EviGaro20000
Lilburr20000
TJ20000
xiri18500
Taskr18000
Finchinator18000
robjr17500
Heysup17000
Chloe16500
umbry15000
Sensei Axew15000
GeneralAnnoyance15000
Teddeh13500
termi12000
PinkDragonTamer12000
Osh11500
Greybaum11500
mz11000
LordST11000
bagoftrixx10500
mncmt10000
bobbydagen10000
HJAD10000
Bouff9500
Raiza9500
tko9500
DnB9500
Feliburn9000
Expulso9000
bb skarm8500
gum8500
somalia8000
Kink8000
Twix8000
lighthouses7500
HSOWA7500
Squash7000
Akir7000
Decem7000
bushtush7000
starry blanket7000
atomicllamas7000
hs6500
eternally6500
Tone6000
Serene Grace6000
Skysolo6000
avarice5500
ShuckleDeath5500
Feaniix5500
snaga5000
DrReuniclus5000
Raichy4000
Roseybear4000
ez4000
Jett4000
asa4000
Sjneider4000
TheFranklin3500
dahli3500
Aliss3500
PTF3500
Oathkeepre3500
yandaud3500
wilddrud3500
zS3500
ToastedBunzzz023000
malekith3000
MrAldo3000
SBPC3000
ojr3000
Brandon3000
Mac33000
Links3000
SergioRules3000
TSR3000
Splash3000
Lockjaw3000
StarBlim3000
PU Rules3000
Wingless3000
jcbc3000
Lambovino3000
Maki3000
jonfilch3000
 

MZ

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We all had fairly different rankings and felt that there were some very similar teams that were hard to put above each other, so this aggregate ranking is a real scuffed attempt to try to average out our thoughts. We all think it ends up pretty fine but it also kinda doesn't look like any of our individual rankings

1. :ss/Scraggy:
2. :ss/Frosmoth:
3. :ss/Druddigon:
4. :ss/Huntail:
5. :ss/Miltank:
6. :ss/Arctovish:
7. :ss/Magmortar:
8. :ss/Stunfisk-Galar:
 

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Hi all, I started writing out my own power rankings last night because I felt like it. I finished them just now, before listening to the UTT episode in the post above me to remain totally unbiased with my rankings. Overall I would say the teams are pretty close in terms of quality, so ranking them ultimately was pretty difficult in a lot of places. Therefore, even if you team is ranked low this does not have to mean much, since I do think every team here can make playoffs at least. This should be a pretty exciting iteration of PUPL.

I don't think I have to say this but obviously my own team is not included here, to hear how we stack up against the other teams I would like to defer you to the aforementioned UTT episode.

#7: Vicious Rends
:ss/arctovish:
The Vicious Rends, whose team name I will not expand upon for the sake of not offending their manager who I'm sure did his best, have something to prove. With a grand total of 15 players, Trixx deployed what appears to be a quantity-over-quality strategy, ending up with a team with a lot of familiar faces but few standout names. On their current roster, standout names are EviGaro and LordST, who also happen to be the most expensive players on the team. Unfortunately, while EviGaro is perhaps the best BW PU player in the pool, LordST has very strong competition and despite being very solid in SM is not guaranteed a good record given the high quality of the pool. The SS of this team is generally solid and is potentially very flexible due to the huge bench of this team, with PU Open finalist Decem standing out in particular. Expulso gets points for being in Slam playoffs and for probably being pretty motivated, although his forays into PU tournaments thus far have been largely unimpressive to my knowledge. mncmt surprisingly does not start on the bench and has the potential to do very well if he stays off the bench throughout the season, while TheFranklin, mark my words, is the secret weapon of this team. The remaining slots are filled by TSR who had probably the unluckiest season of all time during last year's PUPL but who can perform decently if things go a bit more his way this time around, and Roseybear who I wouldn't count among the top half of the DPP pool in any case. Between Trixx, Sergio, and fan favorite keppy there is a lot of team support on the bench which could elevate this team, but it is not guaranteed that this will be enough to make an average-looking team into a playoffs-worthy team. Still, I absolutely wouldn't count them out, and I believe for a last ranked team this one looks much better than some of the weaker teams of last year's PUPL.


#6: M.A.A.D. City Magmortars
:ss/magmortar:
Some might say that this team should have been called the To Pimp a Butterfrees, but that's neither here nor there. The Magmortars notably were the only team not to get anyone for more than 15k during the auction and it shows in their lineup, as it looks pretty solid but doesn't have that one name that you know in advance is gonna have a fantastic record. The SS core here is pretty good, with PDT and Raiza both being potentially very dangerous players. PDT if I'm not mistaken carried US South hard during PUWC by building a lot of teams for his teammates and generally putting on a solid performance, which I'm sure he would be able to repeat in this tournament. Raiza meanwhile is a familiar face for PU players and seems interested in getting back into the tier for this tournament, I know he already started building so he's likely gonna be another solid and self-sufficient slot. Drud and zS are the mainers of the SS core and generally pretty solid, although perhaps not solid enough to win if they're paired against one of the bigger threats of this tournament. zS especially could go either way: while he had a solid record last PUPL, I really did not rate him too highly as a player at the time. I do think he's been improving over time though, so we'll see in this tournament if last PUPL was a fluke or if he really is someone to watch out for. In the oldgens I think there is a lot more trouble, however. Wingless is by no means a bad player, but the SM pool is especially strong to the point where he would still rank last in a power ranking of the SM players individually. The ORAS and BW slots could really go either way, with Bushtush basically being a completely unfamiliar element in this meta and most likely needing pretty good team support to get anywhere. Many, meanwhile, is pretty solid in ORAS but also not someone I would favor vs like half of the pool. Rounding off the team is Alice who has been getting into DPP PU a lot over the past year and could definitely be one of the players to watch out for, especially given that she's on a team with her friend Drud who can help out a lot with testing and building. Finally I do have to say this team has an interesting bench with a lot of people who if nothing else are at least likely to be motivated and willing to be active chat presences, so if nothing else this will be one of the most fun teams (perhaps depending on your definition of fun). Whether or not that is enough to beat the better teams of the tournament remains to be seen.


#5: Moo Moo Milkers
:ss/miltank:
The Moo Moo Milkers sure have a team name to be jealous of. They also have a bunch of names on their team to be jealous of: Star is one of the most reliable performers in any given tour and will almost certainly go positive, whereas HJAD and Taskr are old guard PU mains with a good reputation. HJAD knows SM very well and gets to deploy his MVP playstyle in Kangaspikes in the tier, which is helpful for him given that he is as far as I can tell one of the busiest men in the universe and has not had a lot of time to build new things this year - this may also make him very ct-able, however. Taskr on the other hand I don't really know very well in ORAS, and last year he had a pretty poor PUPL, so it remains to be seen if he's able to shake off the crust and put on a solid performance this year. Turning back to SS, the most notable name other than Star is Osh, who is currently doing well in Slam playoffs and seems like a logical addition on the team seeing as how he is surrounded by several of his fellow British* people. Former PU Snake starter Vulpix03 seems to have forgone a starting position for himself this week to make room for Splash and jonfilch, the former of which I have at least noticed being active in the PU cord for a while, but I don't know exactly how good either of these players are. From going through their posting histories, however, I can surmise that they are active Monotype players. I will leave it to the reader's discretion what to make of this. I think for most of these players getting teams could be an issue depending on how much Vulpix03 is on top of the meta and/or how much free time HJAD has, since I feel like most of these would want to be passed teams in order to perform. As for the remaining oldgen slots, we have unholy levels of crust occupying the DPP slot, which could turn out very well or pretty bad, I really can't say. I'm pretty sure Alkione can at least provide teams which should help Jabba ease into the tier (assuming he's never played DPP PU before). It's good to see Tack in BW, I know she knows a lot about the meta, but she's also somewhat unproven as a player as far as I can tell and might struggle against what is honestly a pretty competent BW pool. Overall, I would say this team looks decent enough, but I think whether or not they have a shot at playoffs will really come down to if they can get enough activity and motivation going. Additionally, if one of their good-on-paper players has a bad season, things could take a turn for the worse pretty easily. Nevertheless, I wouldn't count them out by any means.

*I have been told that Osh is, in fact, Irish, but I do not know of many Irish people who would voluntarily team with British people in a World Cup tournament, so I will for the moment dismiss this as a baseless rumor.


#4: Snap Trappers
:ss/stunfisk-galar:
The Snap Trappers are probably the most decidedly "mainer" team of the bunch, which tends to have something of a stigma against it, but they for sure have a lot going for themselves, particularly in the oldgens. Heysup and Bobby Dagen are known as PUPL mainstays who easily rank among the top of their respective pools, although the former had a disappointing season last year and the latter is known to some as someone who is, to phrase things euphemistically, a bit challenging to schedule with. Bobby Dagen is however practically an unstoppable beast in ORAS so I have high expectations of him if he puts his best foot forward. MZ, having been tier leader throughout SM, is obviously intimately familiar with the tier and will in all likelihood put on a solid performance, while SBPC in BW is a lesser known name but someone I can definitely vouch for as well. The SS of the Snap Trappers is, I believe, the make-or-break of this team, looking decently solid but lacking some of the star power that other teams have. To be sure, Chloe/Squash/Greybaum are good builders and some of the better PU mains in this tournament, with the latter making it to semifinals in last PU Open, but it remains to be seen for me if they're capable of taking wins vs some of the established tour players that can be found throughout other teams' lineups. ez meanwhile is basically a question mark to me, I haven't really paid attention to him in tournaments and only really know him from FFA so we'll see. If someone underperforms there aren't a lot of fantastic replacements waiting on the bench, SOMALIA probably being the best one to slot into SS or BW if something goes wrong there. However, he is also a cancer risk, especially in a tier with Jellicent. Akir on any other team would have been fantastic team support, supplementing any tour player thrown into an oldgen with a library of solid teams, but feels pretty redundant on this team given that the team is almost entirely self-sufficient. I suppose MZ just really wanted to be reunited with his co-ex-TL. Overall, while this team is low on star power, I think they have a pretty decent shot at making playoffs, but I think a lot of it's gonna come down to the question if the PU mains in SS can eke out matchup advantages throughout the weeks by staying on top of the meta and doing a lot of testing.


#3: Happy Huntails
:ss/huntail:
Is a team that chose to trade Finchinator away after buying him for a respectable 16k totally hopeless? As it turns out, perhaps not. Although some may have questions with regard to some of the strategies deployed by the team's management on the eve of the auction, there is a decent amount of coherence to be found on this team and few weak spots. What one first of all notices is that the team has, to my knowledge, a perfect 50-50 ratio of French-to-nonFrench players, giving the team a decent amount of synergy - although there is always the worry that too much French in the team Discord could alienate the non-Francophones. What one will also notice is that the SS core of Ktut and TJ is immediately one of the most dangerous in the tournament as far as mains go, serving up 8-1 and 7-2 records during last PUPL respectively, a major contributor to their team's victory. After that, their SS seems to drop off a bit. yovannumbers is pretty much an unknown element to me, whereas the only time I have seen McSim play PU was when I faced him during PU Seasonal where he brought, and this is true, teams from the pre-Isle of Armor meta. He did strike me as a fine player though, so perhaps with up-to-date teams he may put on a decent performance. Turning to the oldgens, we find a very solid SM slot in yandaud, although perhaps not Finchinator levels of solid, and a pretty decent core of players in the other metas. lighthouses and GA had some very solid records during last year's PUPL, and I believe especially the latter should have no problems going positive again; Feaniix, meanwhile, is a new face to the PUPL scene, but is very motivated and appears to have an army of Germans standing behind him. Of the current lineup I would say 5/8 have a very good chance to go positive, so as long as the 3k heroes of the Huntails pull more weight than their price tag indicates, this team has a very solid shot at making playoffs. On the other hand, if a few players crash and burn, this team has awfully little wiggle room to compensate for it: Lambovino and PTF can make for competent subs/team support, but will most likely not be the team's saviors if something goes wrong.


#2: Fruity Frosmoths
:ss/frosmoth:
The perhaps unfortunately named Fruity Frosmoths are coming into this tournament looking pretty decidedly like one of the stronger teams in the pack. Xiri, having previous managing experience in Snake, has once again teamed up with tlenit to build what looks like a pretty consistently good lineup. In SS, we find first of all tlenit, who has a good reputation within the PU community as one of the better players. I will be the first to admit that I'm personally confused by this man sometimes, as his teambuilding often feels more geared towards ladder players than tournament players, but whatever he's doing does seem to be working out for him since he typically wins a decent amount. robjr gives the team its token "tour player" and, having teamed with him in PUPL several times in the past, I can say he's poised to do well. At the same time I do believe he's been in somewhat of a rut mons-wise as of late, but even when he's not at maximum capacity robjr can make just about anyone sweat. Beyond these two we find TeamCharm, who is a relative newcomer but managed to break into Slam playoffs and will probably be interesting to follow, and the loose cannon known as Kink. Kink can most definitely put up a decent show, but his creative sense of teambuilding can be as much of an asset as it can be a detriment, and he will likely need to be kept in check somewhat in order to ensure he does not just get 6-0d by some top threat (i.e. last time I played him he had no Talonflame counterplay). Someone who can go 6-1 in the regular season as easily as he can go 1-6. Moving on to the oldgens we find that Xiri (evil) has stolen Lilburr from me and as a result secured one of the best BW slots. Beyond that, Xiri himself is more than competent in SM and will probably do well, although once again the SM pool is very dangerous and no one is certain of going positive here. MrAldo looks like the weakest element on the team as someone who just does not have a terribly high skill cap, but he can probably win a few games and be carried by the rest of the team otherwise. atomicllamas, finally, is as far as I know an unknown element in DPP PU but he has plenty of oldgen experience under his belt and can perform just about anywhere - the main question for me here is if he has the team support to back it up. Finally turning towards the bench we find Z Strats, who I don't know too well, and Teddeh, one of the former elder gods of PU who seems to be more interested in being a benchwarmer this time around. Although I rank this team highly, it has a pretty high wildcard element to itself and things could end up blowing up in Xiri's face depending on how things go. A number of these players have the potential to underperform, but on the other hand, they could just as easily be one of the scariest teams to face, especially if Teddeh changes his mind and fills in for Aldo in ORAS. Only time may tell.


#1: Deez Nuts Druddigons
:ss/druddigon:
Historically, it has been shown that having an infantile team name can in fact bode well for a team, as anyone who remembers my Boku no Pika team can attest to, and things are no different here. The Druddigons I think have the lowest amount of weaknesses in their lineup of the bunch and I think is the only team of the ones I've discussed that looks pretty certain to make playoffs based on lineup alone. Their SS core is filled with solid players with a lot of team tour experience. Punny is the obvious standout player as he is currently the favorite to win this year's iteration of Grand Slam and generally seems to have forgotten how to lose in lower tiers, like seriously he just doesn't seem to ever lose. Bouff and umbry are also not to be discounted and are generally very capable with good team support, while Serene Grace is not only pretty good but to my knowledge is also one of the luckiest players alive. The secret weapon of this SS core however is gum, who is a perpetual team building machine and can easily supply any of these players with solid teams. Having that kind of team support for 0 credits by virtue of them being the manager almost borders on unfair. Beyond SS things don't look much worse either. Pak is another good player who can put on a good show with proper team support, which gum once again should be able to bring. Sensei Axew has had success in ORAS before and generally seems to do well in these lower tier team tours as long as they're not the tier he mains, strangely enough. DnB is one of those people who for whatever reason has taken a liking to the whole BW generation and as such is certainly going to be active in the building department and hopefully successful in the playing department - and if he does not perform, known BW lover tko can always pick up the slack. DPP probably is the weakest element here, with HSOWA being relatively unproven as far as I can tell, although he didn't do half bad in PUWC. The bench on this team is pretty small and occupied by at least one player who loves sitting on benches a little too much for his own good, so once again there is little wiggle room for this team if someone falters. Unlike a lot of these other teams, however, there aren't really any slots that immediately look too concerning, and the talent of their roster is such that even if someone ends up underperforming they are still likely to win a lot of weeks. Definitely the team to watch out for this tournament.
 

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