wooohooo tbh that's something i need to work on both as a player and as a ref
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[Reffing 202] Skyla the Horse vs Fort the Castle
- Thread starter FortColors
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Yet again, please label who is acting
Kingdra's Struggle needs a target roll, since both Kecleon and Wormadam-S are alive (and yes, this does matter) [EDIT: I found the rolls in IRC, but you need to actually mark the roll here]
Wormadam-S only has R4 Atk when it Struggles, dealing only 5 DMG to Kingdra and causing 2 Recoil
The above combined with my last comment means that Kingdra should have 56 HP
Aurumoth returns to the field! [Toggle: Weak Armor]
Togekiss returns to the field!
Kingdra's Struggle needs a target roll, since both Kecleon and Wormadam-S are alive (and yes, this does matter) [EDIT: I found the rolls in IRC, but you need to actually mark the roll here]
Wormadam-S only has R4 Atk when it Struggles, dealing only 5 DMG to Kingdra and causing 2 Recoil
The above combined with my last comment means that Kingdra should have 56 HP
Aurumoth returns to the field! [Toggle: Weak Armor]
Togekiss returns to the field!
Galvantula # Magnet
why is magnet my finishing item so often
Kingdra: Brine (Togekiss) ~ Ice Beam (Togekiss) ~ Flash Cannon (Togekiss)
IF Togekiss uses endure, THEN whirlpool (togekiss)
IF Togekiss is under the effects of a successful p/e move, THEN Focus Energy the first instance and Rain Dance the second
Galvantula: Electroweb ~ Electroweb ~ Electroweb
IF aurumoth is KO'd, use Thunder (Togekiss)
IF aurumoth is under the effects of a successful p/e move, THEN Thunderbolt (Togekiss)
why is magnet my finishing item so often
Kingdra: Brine (Togekiss) ~ Ice Beam (Togekiss) ~ Flash Cannon (Togekiss)
IF Togekiss uses endure, THEN whirlpool (togekiss)
IF Togekiss is under the effects of a successful p/e move, THEN Focus Energy the first instance and Rain Dance the second
Galvantula: Electroweb ~ Electroweb ~ Electroweb
IF aurumoth is KO'd, use Thunder (Togekiss)
IF aurumoth is under the effects of a successful p/e move, THEN Thunderbolt (Togekiss)
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Aurumoth: Protect + Light Screen ~ Cooldown ~ Overheat (Galvantula)
Togekiss: Extremespeed + Sky Attack (Galvantula) ~ Cooldown ~ Dazzling Gleam
Togekiss: Extremespeed + Sky Attack (Galvantula) ~ Cooldown ~ Dazzling Gleam
because i am skyla and i am super conservative idiot, rejecting both combos :^)
Reasoning:
you can't put a shield up while putting another magic shield up (cant make fire while making fire cough cough cough)
You can't speed up while charging up light
Reasoning:
you can't put a shield up while putting another magic shield up (cant make fire while making fire cough cough cough)
You can't speed up while charging up light
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Refs are supposed to be impartial. If you are denying those combos just because your opponent is who he is, then feel free to quit this 202 right now as you will fail it for this alone.
I don't mind you don't thinking that combo is viable. Ref discretion allows that. But if you are using your ref position to get back at people, then giving you white-list status is a threat to the community.
Did I make myself clear here? Give a fucking serious response or I won't bother to let this end as it should.
I don't mind you don't thinking that combo is viable. Ref discretion allows that. But if you are using your ref position to get back at people, then giving you white-list status is a threat to the community.
Did I make myself clear here? Give a fucking serious response or I won't bother to let this end as it should.
1: yes
2: I don't actually plan on denying protect + light screen, never did (unbelievable as it is, i say bullshit things a lot but usually dont follow through with them)
3: Espeed + Sky attack is more iffy, because I don't like the idea of priority move + charge move (without power herb) because it just feels highly contradictory to spend time readying yourself before a move designed to outpace opponents
4: It would be completely pathetic to "get back at him" by denying obviously feasible combos (which i suppose is the point you're making)
Jayy:
HP: 11
EN: 86
Stats: 5/4/5/3
Speed: 81 (-10% Eva)
Item: Expert Belt
Status: Hiding
HP: 44
EN: 33
Stats: 1/3/5/4
Speed: 92 (+10% Acc)
Item: Scope Lens
Status: Haxplane (Rock Blast miss :C)
Fort:
HP: 100
EN: 100
Stats: 2/2/5/2
Speed: 108
Item: Magnet
Status: Is about to break things
HP: 56
EN: 80
Stats: 3/4/4/4
Speed: 196 (+13% Acc)
Item: Dragon Scale
Status: be swamming in see
r.i.p there goes the plan of having a joke reffing above my actual reffing with the combo denied.
A1:
Extremespeed
Hit Roll: 4/10 yes
(8+3+3-1.5) = 12.5 dmg
-6 en
Protect + Light Screen
^ that happened
-24.5 en
Brine
Crit Roll: 9/16 no
(8.7+3) = 11.7 en
-7 en
Thunderbolt
Crit Roll: 10/16 no
Effect Roll: 4/10 no
(6+3+1.5)*1.5 +4 = 19.75 dmg
-6 en
A2:
Sky Attack Charge
Ice Beam
Crit Roll: 4/16 no
Effect Roll: 5/10 no
(9)*1.5 = 13.5 dmg
-7 en
TOGEKISS IS KO
Electroweb
Crit Rolls: 9/16 no
-1 spe aurumoth
(2.97+3+3)+4 = 12.87 dmg on aurumoth
AURUMOTH IS KO
jayelt413: +11cc, +5uc
Sableye +3mc
Aurumoth +3mc
Togekiss +3mc
Kangaskhan +3mc
@me +11cc, 21uc (5 rounds < expected 7.5)
Wormasand +3mc
Kingdra +3mc
Galvantula +3mc
Syclant +3mc
wow lol my carrier got 0 kills
Note @ Below:
I roll out of specific numbers to avoid the kind of thing that comes when you use an extra roll, and need to re-adjust the entire spectrum because ALL the rolls don't appropriate themselves. That's happened to you before in oora's sim iirc, and it's just more of a hassle.
also lol i adjusted accuracy in espeed and i didnt roll for a crit, but i forgot to add the +3 from one of them
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Errors:
KOC are never rewarded in Self-Refereed battles
you should always roll hits out of 100, 1000, or 10000 because that way rerolls aren't necessary if you use the wrong comparison. Extremespeed has 90% Accuracy. You also forgot that it crits (I'd say you forgot Hustle, but you did change the accuracy)
Please start saying who does what and who they are hitting if it is a single target move
EN cost on Electroweb
That BAP on Electroweb is a bit low: 6*0.75*0.67 = 3.015
Electroweb cannot crit on dead people, nor apply debuffs
I get 5 UC for mentoring btw (since I don't think the 10 UC applies here)
Overall your reffing was very well done. It was both timely and avoiding a lot of the tricks I attempted to throw at you, including the targeting one. I think you should pass (even with the shenanigans with the combo stuff), but that is left up to the arbiter of the program, Lord Frosty of House Snowman
KOC are never rewarded in Self-Refereed battles
you should always roll hits out of 100, 1000, or 10000 because that way rerolls aren't necessary if you use the wrong comparison. Extremespeed has 90% Accuracy. You also forgot that it crits (I'd say you forgot Hustle, but you did change the accuracy)
Please start saying who does what and who they are hitting if it is a single target move
EN cost on Electroweb
That BAP on Electroweb is a bit low: 6*0.75*0.67 = 3.015
Electroweb cannot crit on dead people, nor apply debuffs
I get 5 UC for mentoring btw (since I don't think the 10 UC applies here)
Overall your reffing was very well done. It was both timely and avoiding a lot of the tricks I attempted to throw at you, including the targeting one. I think you should pass (even with the shenanigans with the combo stuff), but that is left up to the arbiter of the program, Lord Frosty of House Snowman
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deadfox081 would you care to look at this for a bit? Thanks!
Okay, let me take a look at this.
Timeliness
- No issues, perhaps even to a fault.
Battling Mistakes
- Sending out a Syclant against two mons capable of butchering it with Fire typed attack and then not subbing for Fire typed attacks at all, well thats a big mistake.
- Ordering first for round 3 with only one substitution each for your Pokemon against Auromoth and Togekiss is lazy and bad play, and reflects the rushed nature of this match. The orders were especially terrible with Protect for no reason while ordering first and Alakazam not making use of Magic Guard Endure and instead openly asking to be KOed.
- You only gave 2 actions each worth of orders for round 4. Even on the off chance you were 100% confident these orders would result in an action 2 KO you still cannot provide incomplete orders.
Reffing Mistakes
- You don't need to pick the turn order for round 1 in a Reffing 202 battle, the Tutor always orders second in the first round. Although by dumb luck you did arrive on the correct result.
- Format things: would be nice to know which mon is using what move, especially considering multiple Fake Out and Fire Punch uses. This makes your reffing particularly hard to go over as well and I would especially note was not fixed in the round after your tutor pointed it out. For instance in action 1 I have no idea whatsoever who those Fire Punches are from or who they are hitting. This is important.
- A1 and A2: Life Orb Recoil on Blizzard is only 2 HP
- A1: Wormadam-S Earthquake needs 2 more crit rolls, since it hits 3 mons. Once again, this was not fixed.
- A2: Syclant is to use Icy Wind, not Blizzard. On top of this Icy Wind does not need effect rolls, its speed drop is a 100% effect. It would also have been nice to see how Icy Wind's BAP was derived, like you did with Blizzard.
- Who flinched in actions 2 and 3 of round 1? Because your reffing gives me no ideas.
- Icy Wind has a BAP of 6.75 from Syclant after spread penalty (6 [BP] * 1.5 [Technician] * 0.75 [Spread] = 6.75). This makes Kecleon take 46.5 DMG, leaving it at 43 HP. Sableye takes 44 DMG, leaving it at 46 HP.
- Both Kecleon and Sableye have -1 Spe (immaterial after this switch)
- Technically you should not have Pokemon mega evolved, nor abilities traced in your pre-round statistics, since both happen during the round.
- What was Air Slash's target roll for Togekiss out of? Who were the options?
- Why were Auromoth's stat changes not noted at the conclusion of the round? Namely -6 Def and +6 Spe as these are major changes.
- Stealth Rock damages Kingdra
- Sableye doesn't have or learn Earthquake
- Wormadam's Earthquake should have showed how the BAP was derived. As in 10*2.25*0.75 = 16.875.
- Did Sableye's Knock Off on Wormadam have any other effects? Like knocking off something? Because your reffing didn't tell me.
- I have no idea which mon is struggling at which point in action 3 of that round, nor do I know who the potential targets were. I realise I am harping on this point but it makes the reffing impossible to follow.
- Yet again, please label who is acting [worth noting AGAIN since your tutor asked multiple times and you did not fix it].
- Kingdra's Struggle needs a target roll, since both Kecleon and Wormadam-S are alive (and yes, this does matter) [EDIT: I found the rolls in IRC, but you need to actually mark the roll here] Do not roll only in IRC for important matches, ever. Matches take place on the forum not in IRC.
- Wormadam-S only has R4 Atk when it Struggles, dealing only 5 DMG to Kingdra and causing 2 Recoil
- The above combined with my last comment means that Kingdra should have 56 HP
- I'm not even going to touch on the combination debacle.
- KOC are never rewarded in Self-Refereed battles
- You should always roll hits out of 100, 1000, or 10000 because that way rerolls aren't necessary if you use the wrong comparison. Extremespeed has 90% Accuracy. You also forgot that it crits (I'd say you forgot Hustle, but you did change the accuracy)
- Please start saying who does what and who they are hitting if it is a single target move
EN cost on Electroweb
- That BAP on Electroweb is a bit low: 6*0.75*0.67 = 3.015
- Electroweb cannot crit on dead people, nor apply debuffs
- I get 5 UC for mentoring btw (since I don't think the 10 UC applies here)
- While we are at it we might as well add in the rather large errors made in the first round of the Fighting Gym match you are also reffing as a part of this test.
Overall your formatting lacks polish. It is impossible to know who is performing which action. Your field and other effects are not clearly marked. Your reffing is a chore to scroll through due to long calculations not being in hide tags. No attempt has been made at flavour whatsoever, and while this was not a requirement at the time you undertook the test it is still not a good sign. Personal choice here also but I cannot stand the little paint drawings in place of sprites either.
Verdict: Unfortunately this is a very easy one. With more than 25 errors in your reffing this will be a Fail for Reffing 202. Most troubling is that you failed to correct (properly or sometimes at all) issues that your tutor pointed out. On top of that you treated this match like a flash, which it most definitely is not. Take some time to practice your reffing quality, and most of all take the proper time in your reffing to ensure mistakes are not made. You will need to wait 2 months from this post to apply for the Reffing 202 program again.
While I'm here, jayelt413 I am rather disappointed that you would suggest this attempt as a pass. You yourself pointed out most of these errors, and allowed things to continue without being properly fixed. Should you be called upon to tutor again I expect you need to learn to harden up. Your role is to test the pupil, not excuse their mistakes.
Timeliness
- No issues, perhaps even to a fault.
Battling Mistakes
- Sending out a Syclant against two mons capable of butchering it with Fire typed attack and then not subbing for Fire typed attacks at all, well thats a big mistake.
- Ordering first for round 3 with only one substitution each for your Pokemon against Auromoth and Togekiss is lazy and bad play, and reflects the rushed nature of this match. The orders were especially terrible with Protect for no reason while ordering first and Alakazam not making use of Magic Guard Endure and instead openly asking to be KOed.
- You only gave 2 actions each worth of orders for round 4. Even on the off chance you were 100% confident these orders would result in an action 2 KO you still cannot provide incomplete orders.
Reffing Mistakes
- You don't need to pick the turn order for round 1 in a Reffing 202 battle, the Tutor always orders second in the first round. Although by dumb luck you did arrive on the correct result.
- Format things: would be nice to know which mon is using what move, especially considering multiple Fake Out and Fire Punch uses. This makes your reffing particularly hard to go over as well and I would especially note was not fixed in the round after your tutor pointed it out. For instance in action 1 I have no idea whatsoever who those Fire Punches are from or who they are hitting. This is important.
- A1 and A2: Life Orb Recoil on Blizzard is only 2 HP
- A1: Wormadam-S Earthquake needs 2 more crit rolls, since it hits 3 mons. Once again, this was not fixed.
- A2: Syclant is to use Icy Wind, not Blizzard. On top of this Icy Wind does not need effect rolls, its speed drop is a 100% effect. It would also have been nice to see how Icy Wind's BAP was derived, like you did with Blizzard.
- Who flinched in actions 2 and 3 of round 1? Because your reffing gives me no ideas.
- Icy Wind has a BAP of 6.75 from Syclant after spread penalty (6 [BP] * 1.5 [Technician] * 0.75 [Spread] = 6.75). This makes Kecleon take 46.5 DMG, leaving it at 43 HP. Sableye takes 44 DMG, leaving it at 46 HP.
- Both Kecleon and Sableye have -1 Spe (immaterial after this switch)
- Technically you should not have Pokemon mega evolved, nor abilities traced in your pre-round statistics, since both happen during the round.
- What was Air Slash's target roll for Togekiss out of? Who were the options?
- Why were Auromoth's stat changes not noted at the conclusion of the round? Namely -6 Def and +6 Spe as these are major changes.
- Stealth Rock damages Kingdra
- Sableye doesn't have or learn Earthquake
- Wormadam's Earthquake should have showed how the BAP was derived. As in 10*2.25*0.75 = 16.875.
- Did Sableye's Knock Off on Wormadam have any other effects? Like knocking off something? Because your reffing didn't tell me.
- I have no idea which mon is struggling at which point in action 3 of that round, nor do I know who the potential targets were. I realise I am harping on this point but it makes the reffing impossible to follow.
- Yet again, please label who is acting [worth noting AGAIN since your tutor asked multiple times and you did not fix it].
- Kingdra's Struggle needs a target roll, since both Kecleon and Wormadam-S are alive (and yes, this does matter) [EDIT: I found the rolls in IRC, but you need to actually mark the roll here] Do not roll only in IRC for important matches, ever. Matches take place on the forum not in IRC.
- Wormadam-S only has R4 Atk when it Struggles, dealing only 5 DMG to Kingdra and causing 2 Recoil
- The above combined with my last comment means that Kingdra should have 56 HP
- I'm not even going to touch on the combination debacle.
- KOC are never rewarded in Self-Refereed battles
- You should always roll hits out of 100, 1000, or 10000 because that way rerolls aren't necessary if you use the wrong comparison. Extremespeed has 90% Accuracy. You also forgot that it crits (I'd say you forgot Hustle, but you did change the accuracy)
- Please start saying who does what and who they are hitting if it is a single target move
EN cost on Electroweb
- That BAP on Electroweb is a bit low: 6*0.75*0.67 = 3.015
- Electroweb cannot crit on dead people, nor apply debuffs
- I get 5 UC for mentoring btw (since I don't think the 10 UC applies here)
- While we are at it we might as well add in the rather large errors made in the first round of the Fighting Gym match you are also reffing as a part of this test.
Overall your formatting lacks polish. It is impossible to know who is performing which action. Your field and other effects are not clearly marked. Your reffing is a chore to scroll through due to long calculations not being in hide tags. No attempt has been made at flavour whatsoever, and while this was not a requirement at the time you undertook the test it is still not a good sign. Personal choice here also but I cannot stand the little paint drawings in place of sprites either.
Verdict: Unfortunately this is a very easy one. With more than 25 errors in your reffing this will be a Fail for Reffing 202. Most troubling is that you failed to correct (properly or sometimes at all) issues that your tutor pointed out. On top of that you treated this match like a flash, which it most definitely is not. Take some time to practice your reffing quality, and most of all take the proper time in your reffing to ensure mistakes are not made. You will need to wait 2 months from this post to apply for the Reffing 202 program again.
While I'm here, jayelt413 I am rather disappointed that you would suggest this attempt as a pass. You yourself pointed out most of these errors, and allowed things to continue without being properly fixed. Should you be called upon to tutor again I expect you need to learn to harden up. Your role is to test the pupil, not excuse their mistakes.