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Seismitoad (Analysis)

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  1. JRank

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    Seismitoad

    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is unique in the fact that it is the only Pokemon that has the ability Swift Swim in VGC 2011. Unfortunately, with Seismitoad as the only Swift Swim user, rain is not the dominant force it was in VGC 2010. However, with the right support, Seismitoad is capable of wreaking havoc.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Grass Knot / Earth Power
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Modest
    evs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 212 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Surf is Seismitoad's primary STAB move, dealing insane amounts of damage under rain. Hydro Pump gives Seismitoad even more power if you don't like hitting your teammate or being forced to have a partner immune to Surf. Hidden Power Ice hits Grass-types who resist Ground- and Water-types moves, as well as Hydregion, who is immune to Ground-type moves. Grass Knot hits opposing Water-types like Jellicent and Samurott. Earth Power gives Seismitoad an extra STAB move, but it doesn't really hit anything that Surf and Grass Knot don't. Protect allows Seismitoad to stall out an opponent's Tailwind or Trick Room, or let its partner KO a Pokemon that threatens Seismitoad.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Life Orb gives Seismitoad as much power as it can get, and with its fair bulk, it can afford the recoil. If you don't like this, however, a Sitrus Berry could be used for maximum survivability. The given EV spread allows Seismitoad to outspeed Scarf Terrakion in the rain, and the rest are put in HP to let it possibly take another crucial attack.</p>

    <p>This set does not function well without Rain Dance support, making Pokemon such as Tornadus or Thundurus good partners. Jellicent makes for an excellent partner to Seismitoad, getting healed by Seismitoad's Surf and taking out opposing Jellicent who ruin Seismitoad's day. Telepathy Musharna is also immune to Seismitoad's Surf, and can boost its power even further with Helping Hand.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Grass Knot
    move 4: Protect
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Swift Swim
    nature: Mild
    evs: 132 Atk / 164 SpA / 212 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set aims to remedy Earth Power's lack of power. Surf and Hydro Pump are for STAB. Earthquake hits all opponents on the field, much like Surf, but from the physical side instead. Hidden Power Ice hits the Dragon- and Flying-types who resist Surf, while Grass Knot hits Water-types. Protect is used once again because of its multi-purpose uses in VGC.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Mild nature is used so as to not lower Seismitoad's Attack and weaken Earthquake. Life Orb gives Seismitoad a boost to all its moves, but again, Sitrus Berry can be used instead for survivability. Unlike the previous set, this set demands an immune partner. Tornadus and Thundurus work best with this set, being immune to Earthquake and setting up rain. With Seismitoad having both Earthquake and Surf, Musharna makes the best partner, boosting Seismitoad's powerful spread attacks with Helping Hand and having Telepathy so as not to get hit.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>If you don't like Hydro Pump or Surf, Scald has a burn chance and decent power. Muddy Water hits both opponents, leaving your partner unharmed, but its 85% accuracy leaves something to be desired. Seismitoad learns Rain Dance, enabling it to set up rain without a team based around it, and attempt a sweep, but this is generally better off left to Prankster Pokemon such as Thundurus. Seismitoad has the potential to run a physically based mixed set with Brick Break / Rock Slide / Earthquake / Hydro Pump, but the special set hits more Pokemon and is usually the better attacker in general. Focus Blast hits Hydregion if you don't like using Hidden Power Ice, but Hidden Power hits so much more and Surf hits almost everything else Focus Blast would.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Samurott can take a Grass Knot and OHKO back with a Grass Knot of its own. Jellicent can wall Seismitoad that lack Grass Knot. Focus Sash Chandelure with Energy Ball can check Seismitoad, but most sets don't carry Energy Ball. Sassy Amoonguss takes Hidden Power Ice well enough and can respond with Spore or Giga Drain.</p>
  2. Raydog

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    <p>If you don't like the low accuracy of Scald or needing an immune partner for Surf, Scald has a Burn chance and decent power.

    this needs changing I think you meant hydro Pump
  3. sandman

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    Mild / Rash with 132 Hp or At / 156 Sa / 212 speed give the same stats above and an extra 8 evs.
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    Add what sandman said and what we talked about on irc, and QC Approved 1/2
  5. Wichu

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    Just saying, could Muddy Water be an alternative option over Surf, instead of Hydro Pump? It's slightly more accurate than Hydro Pump, and still hits both enemies (but not Seismitoad's partner).
  6. cosmicexplorer

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    Muddy Water is definitely an option over Surf; the spread only hitting enemies is great, and the chance to lower accuracy can get you out of a tight spot.
  7. TheForgottenSoul

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    Just an observation, but shouldn't the Special set have a Modest nature?
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    Looks good to me.

    QC Approved 2/2
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    In the first set, wouldn't those 8 extra evs be better suited in SA? In the second set your wasting those last 4 EVs in HP as only 4 EVs will boost its HP, 4 more does nothing, while putting them all in SA will boost it 1 point.
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    The Special Rain set should be Modest, because it has no physical attacking moves.
  12. JRank

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    All suggested changes were made, including the grammar check. I know I've been taking too long to update these, hopefully I can get some of the rest of mine done today!
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    Encase you missed my first post from above, your wasting the last 4 EVs in Hp in the second set as they don't do anything. If you're going to put 4 into hp, move the last four into anything but its At, SA, or Spe to get an extra point. Although personally, I think all 8 would be better in SA.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is unique in the fact that it is the only Pokemon that has the ability Swift Swim in VGC 2011. Unfortunately, with Seismitoad as the only Swift Swimmer user, rain is not the dominant force it was in VGC 2010. However, with the right support, Seismitoad is capable of wreaking havoc.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Rain Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Grass Knot / Earth Power (spacing)
    move 4: Protect
    nature: Modest
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 212 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Surf is Seismitoad's primary STAB move, dealing out insane amounts of damage under rain. Hydro Pump gives you even more power if you don't like hitting your teammate or being forced to have a partner immune to Surf. Hidden Power Ice hits Grass-types who resist Ground- and Water-types moves, as well as Hydregion, who is immune to Ground-type moves and resists Water-type moves. Grass Knot hits opposing Water-types like Jellicent and Samurott. Earth Power gives it Seismitoad an extra STAB move, but it doesn't really hit anything that Surf and Grass Knot don't. Protect allows Seismitoad to stall out an opponent's Tailwind or Trick Room, or let its partner KO a Pokemon that threatens Seismitoad.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Life Orb gives Seismitoad as much power as it can get, and with its fair bulk, it can afford the recoil. If you don't like this, however, a Sitrus Berry could be used for maximum survivability. The given EV spread allows it Seismitoad to outspeed Scarf Terrakion in the rain, and the rest are put in HP to let it possibly take another crucial attack.</p>

    <p>This set does not function well without Rain Dance support, making Pokemon such as Tornadus or Thundurus good partners. Jellicent makes for an excellent partner to Seismitoad, getting healed by Seismitoad's Surfs and taking out opposing Jellicent who ruin Seismitoad's day. Musharna is immune to Seismitoad's Surf with Telepathy, and can boost its power even further through Helping Hand.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Rain Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Grass Knot
    move 4: Protect
    nature: Mild
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 8 HP / 132 Atk / 156 SpA / 212 Spe
    (In both sets, I have removed the word "rain" since Seismitoad is not going to be used without rain. Putting "rain" in the set name is thus redundant)

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set aims to remedy Earth Power's lack of power. Surf and Hydro Pump are for STAB, and are the main move in this set. Earthquake hits all opponents on the field, much like Surf, but from the physical side instead. Hidden Power Ice gets hits the Dragon- and Flying-types who resist Surf, but while Grass Knot hits those pesky Water-types. Protect is there again used once again because of its multi-purpose VGC use in VGC.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Mild nature is used so as to not lower Seismitoad's Attack for and weaken Earthquake. Life Orb gives it Seismitoad a boost to all its moves, but again, Sitrus Berry can be used instead. Unlike the previous set, this set demands an immune partner. Tornadus and Thundurus work best with this set, being immune to Earthquake and setting up rain. With Seismitoad having both Earthquake and Surf, Musharna makes the best partner, boosting Seismitoad's powerful spread attacks with Helping Hand and having Telepathy so as not to get hit.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>If you don't like Hydro Pump or Surf, Scald has a burn chance and decent power. Muddy Water hits both Pokemon on the opponents field, leaving your partner unharmed, but its 85% accuracy leaves something to be desired. Seismitoad learns Rain Dance, enabling it to set up rain without a team based around it, and attempt a sweep, but this is generally better off left to Prankster Pokemon such as Thundurus. Seismitoad has the potential to go run a physically-based mixed set with Brick Break / Rock Slide / Earthquake / Hydro Pump, but the special set hits more Pokemon and is usually better. Focus Blast hits Hydregion if you don't like using Hidden Power Ice, but Hidden Power hits so much more and Surf hits almost everything else Focus Blast would.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Samurott can take a Grass Knot and OHKO back with a Grass Knot of its own. Jellicent can wall Seismitoad without not having Grass Knot, due to having nothing else that can really touch it. Chandelure with Focus Sash and Energy Ball can OHKO it Seismitoad, but most sets don't carry Energy Ball. Sassy Amoonguss takes Hidden Power Ice, and can respond with Spore or Giga Drain back.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>Seismitoad is unique in the fact that it is the only Pokemon that has the ability Swift Swim in VGC 2011. Unfortunately, with Seismitoad as the only Swift Swim user, rain is not the dominant force it was in VGC 2010. However, with the right support, Seismitoad is capable of wreaking havoc.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Grass Knot / Earth Power
    move 4: Protect
    nature: Modest
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 212 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Surf is Seismitoad's primary STAB move, dealing insane amounts of damage under rain. Hydro Pump gives Seismitoad even more power if you don't like hitting your teammate or being forced to have a partner immune to Surf. Hidden Power Ice hits Grass-types who resist Ground- and Water-types moves, as well as Hydregion, who is immune to Ground-type moves. Grass Knot hits opposing Water-types like Jellicent and Samurott. Earth Power gives Seismitoad an extra STAB move, but it doesn't really hit anything that Surf and Grass Knot don't. Protect allows Seismitoad to stall out an opponent's Tailwind or Trick Room, or let its partner KO a Pokemon that threatens Seismitoad.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Life Orb gives Seismitoad as much power as it can get, and with its fair bulk, it can afford the recoil. If you don't like this, however, a Sitrus Berry could be used for maximum survivability. The given EV spread allows Seismitoad to outspeed Scarf Terrakion in the rain, and the rest are put in HP to let it possibly take another crucial attack.</p>

    <p>This set does not function well without Rain Dance support, making Pokemon such as Tornadus or Thundurus good partners. Jellicent makes for an excellent partner to Seismitoad, getting healed by Seismitoad's Surf and taking out opposing Jellicent who ruin Seismitoad's day. Telepathy Musharna is also immune to Seismitoad's Surf with Telepathy, and can boost its power even further with Helping Hand.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Grass Knot
    move 4: Protect
    nature: Mild
    item: Life Orb
    evs: 132 Atk / 164 SpA / 212 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set aims to remedy Earth Power's lack of power. Surf and Hydro Pump are for STAB. Earthquake hits all opponents on the field, much like Surf, but from the physical side instead. Hidden Power Ice hits the Dragon- and Flying-types who resist Surf, while Grass Knot hits Water-types. Protect is used once again because of its multi-purpose uses in VGC.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Mild nature is used so as to not lower Seismitoad's Attack and weaken Earthquake. Life Orb gives Seismitoad a boost to all its moves, but again, Sitrus Berry can be used instead for survivability. Unlike the previous set, this set demands an immune partner. Tornadus and Thundurus work best with this set, being immune to Earthquake and setting up rain. With Seismitoad having both Earthquake and Surf, Musharna makes the best partner, boosting Seismitoad's powerful spread attacks with Helping Hand and having Telepathy so as not to get hit.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>If you don't like Hydro Pump or Surf, Scald has a burn chance and decent power. Muddy Water hits both opponents, leaving your partner unharmed, but its 85% accuracy leaves something to be desired. Seismitoad learns Rain Dance, enabling it to set up rain without a team based around it, and attempt a sweep, but this is generally better off left to Prankster Pokemon such as Thundurus. Seismitoad has the potential to run a physically based mixed set with Brick Break / Rock Slide / Earthquake / Hydro Pump, but the special set hits more Pokemon and is usually the better attacker in general. Focus Blast hits Hydregion if you don't like using Hidden Power Ice, but Hidden Power hits so much more and Surf hits almost everything else Focus Blast would.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Samurott can take a Grass Knot and OHKO back with a Grass Knot of its own. Jellicent can wall Seismitoad that lack Grass Knot. Focus Sash Chandelure with Focus Sash and Energy Ball can check Seismitoad, but most sets don't carry Energy Ball. Sassy Amoonguss takes Hidden Power Ice well enough and can respond with Spore or Giga Drain.</p>


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  16. JRank

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    Done!
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    Just a minor nitpick but both of the sets are missing their ability.
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    Because there's no point using the other abilities and it mentions that it's the "only swift swimmer..." multiple times.
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    That's mainly due to the fact that basically the only reason to run Seismitoad in VGC 11 is for Swift Swim, but if it really needs it I'll add it in.

    EDIT: went ahead and added it at Alaka's request
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    Well of course Swift Swim will be the only ability :P But it still needs to be in there for formatting reasons.
  21. Imaginary Numbers

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    I completely understand that a physical set based off his other ability isn't anywhere ideal, but could one be made? Or a cameo in other options would be nice.

    Yes... His physical pool is more shallow than my ex, but he does leaen Aqua Ring and Drain Punch, moves that can be powered up by Big Root. Add in Earthquake and protect and that could be a decent stall?

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