Yeah I just checked this hence the post where I said "why is this the case" lol
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NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)
- Thread starter CaffeineBoost
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Celever I am literally considering a world with you in it because I think Tommy is more likely to be scum than realiti is
like maybe I should just ignore lylo posts and research when I have time tomorrow but what I’m fucking saying is you’re not helping your case by jerking off and afk everything is possible because if you’re town and im town we lose on that basis ykwim
So do some work
like maybe I should just ignore lylo posts and research when I have time tomorrow but what I’m fucking saying is you’re not helping your case by jerking off and afk everything is possible because if you’re town and im town we lose on that basis ykwim
So do some work
This is a real post in this thread
Votecount 4.0 - Once per night you may target a player and stick a lockout key in their keyhole, trapping them in their room. This will protect them from being killed that night. It will also prevent them from using their action that night.
apricity [1] - skippergamez
4 to hammer.
apricity [1] - skippergamez
4 to hammer.
TBF I can help you out by saying the team with the most connections itt by a long way is me tommy and skipper and that this is the conclusion that the town should be coming to lol
Obviously it's not the team bc I'm town but I already know this is prob the conclusion you'll come to bc from an outsider perspective I'd say it stands up to reason the most (despite the whole why would we just openwolf fnr part)
I'm sobbing
CaffeineBoost if the poisoner targeted someone that was targeted my jailkeeper on the same night, would they be protected from the poison?
Doesn't hurt to ask lol
Doesn't hurt to ask lol
Okay this interaction is fucked.
No. The Jailkeeper would have to target them the night they would die.
Oh ok
unvote
unvote
Just got online. When I saw page 137, well... I fully expected the next page or two to have the hammer. That it didn't is in my mind the biggest argument for apricity. I also have said my piece on duskfall. IMO if we pick an order to vote those two, that leaves us two votes to find the last scum.
Not skipper for maf, though. IIRC, there's that bus-driven kill that missed skipper to hit Psy.
Not skipper for maf, though. IIRC, there's that bus-driven kill that missed skipper to hit Psy.
FTR Hal probably didn't get confirmed from that period of having a vote on him. There were at most 6 users in-thread (according to the bottom activity tab), one of them Jalmont (who doesn't hide activity), 2 of them me and Eli (because we were talking), one of them Caff (because he also talked), and one of them Skipper for some of it and not others. Given that users "view the thread" for 15 minutes, even if Eli is maf, the likelihood that all 3 maf were online to quickhammer is really, really low.
Fair. So I'm thus in favor of dusk first. Not voting yet, until we get more. I'm torn between asking apricity for an unvote for now and wanting to wait to use that vote as evidence I was right all the way back when I first called out dusk.
apricity should definitely revote because we need to try to come to a consensus through discussion but I assume he's not gonna do that and is gonna hedge his bets regardless of alignment
IK it's MYLO and therefore makes little sense, but there is an interesting dynamic to this MYLO period wherein if we take the face value that Eli, Skipper, and myself are all town, which has been a hardcore prevailing view for most of the game (Eli really being the only dissenter on that take), mafia only actually have one possible misvote target in the Tommy / Hal / realiti / AG pool. It also means that all 4 of these would have to be maf together in some kind of scenario though, in a way that conventional wisdom on thread interactions would state is only plausibly Hal / realiti / AG. At this stage, either Tommy is maf with Hal or AG, or Eli or Skipper are wolves.
This is kinda why I'm not taking it at face value that Eli is town. The teams don't really make sense without him, he has a high amount of scumbud equity with realiti and Hal in particular, and he's the main person trying to argue against certain hard townreads and blow the game up in a way that I feel mainly makes sense if he's understanding that this MYLO is fairly checky.
At the same time, killing LS even with her being tracker doesn't make all that much sense given how checky this EoD is. Sure, once I townread LS everyone Just Kind Of Agreed With Me, but that shouldn't have been the case and LS fits into various teams here making more people viable wolves.
This is kinda why I'm not taking it at face value that Eli is town. The teams don't really make sense without him, he has a high amount of scumbud equity with realiti and Hal in particular, and he's the main person trying to argue against certain hard townreads and blow the game up in a way that I feel mainly makes sense if he's understanding that this MYLO is fairly checky.
At the same time, killing LS even with her being tracker doesn't make all that much sense given how checky this EoD is. Sure, once I townread LS everyone Just Kind Of Agreed With Me, but that shouldn't have been the case and LS fits into various teams here making more people viable wolves.
Celever, Tommy, Eli, AG, Hal, realiti, Skipper
The reason why the situation we're in is that everyone just has a rand chance of being maf (except Skipper who is likely mech cleared but also Hasn't Been Killed Since Then even with a kill delay use last night so LMAO maybe he isn't) is because whether or not we live in a world full of bussing all game or not is a straight up 50/50. Tommy has been bussed by and been bussing Eli, AG, Hal, and realiti all game. He has negative scumbud equity with all of them. So if there's been no hardcore bussing all game then Tommy's only maf with me and Skipper.
Eli OTOH has been shielding Hal and realiti a lot so if we're in that world he's probably maf with one of them. He's also been randomly bussing people against the grain all game like me though, so it makes sense for me and Eli to be wolves together in a bussing world.
Skipper kinda fits as a third into any team in the game because they were considered clear early and kinda rode it out. In theory the fact that once he got townread Everyone Kinda Just Agreed With It should imply he's maf but then again that happened to LS and Jalmont too. Trend-wise it means he's actually town. Maybe wolves did it to LS and Jalmont and killed them both to create that trend though.
YKWIM there isn't a solve here, we just have to get lucky. None of the moving parts are decisive. Is the scumteam actually Tommy, Hal, and realiti, and they decided to troll us all game? Genuinely very possible. Is that rational? No, but that doesn't matter any more rationality is dead.
The reason why the situation we're in is that everyone just has a rand chance of being maf (except Skipper who is likely mech cleared but also Hasn't Been Killed Since Then even with a kill delay use last night so LMAO maybe he isn't) is because whether or not we live in a world full of bussing all game or not is a straight up 50/50. Tommy has been bussed by and been bussing Eli, AG, Hal, and realiti all game. He has negative scumbud equity with all of them. So if there's been no hardcore bussing all game then Tommy's only maf with me and Skipper.
Eli OTOH has been shielding Hal and realiti a lot so if we're in that world he's probably maf with one of them. He's also been randomly bussing people against the grain all game like me though, so it makes sense for me and Eli to be wolves together in a bussing world.
Skipper kinda fits as a third into any team in the game because they were considered clear early and kinda rode it out. In theory the fact that once he got townread Everyone Kinda Just Agreed With It should imply he's maf but then again that happened to LS and Jalmont too. Trend-wise it means he's actually town. Maybe wolves did it to LS and Jalmont and killed them both to create that trend though.
YKWIM there isn't a solve here, we just have to get lucky. None of the moving parts are decisive. Is the scumteam actually Tommy, Hal, and realiti, and they decided to troll us all game? Genuinely very possible. Is that rational? No, but that doesn't matter any more rationality is dead.
Like actually look at the playerlist and say "I am really, really confident that this player is town". You can't do it. Last time I did that it was to Jalmont and LS and then they died on sequential nights. Which is a cruel joke.
My view is probably that Hal is throwing the game and that Tommy will get hammered in the next 24 hours so I'm not gonna put effort into the game until Hal unvotes though. It's not worth the frustration of trying to solve a 1500 piece jigsaw with 20 pieces and some jigsaw-shaped pieces of paper to fantasise the rest of it.
My view is probably that Hal is throwing the game and that Tommy will get hammered in the next 24 hours so I'm not gonna put effort into the game until Hal unvotes though. It's not worth the frustration of trying to solve a 1500 piece jigsaw with 20 pieces and some jigsaw-shaped pieces of paper to fantasise the rest of it.
It might also be fine because if Hal is throwing the game by voting Tommy it means the scumteam is Eli / realiti (yes these two are probably W/W if one is) but then + AG or Skipper. Eli has very strong anti-scumbud equity with Skipper because Eli is literally justifying Skipper possibly not being clear and has been for a while, so it basically means AG third.
Don't get me wrong though, Eli / realiti / Hal is still probably the scumteam that makes the most sense if there hasn't been crazy bussing all game though. So Tommy not getting hammered doesn't solve into Tommy being maf. In fact, Tommy getting hammered also doesn't solve into Tommy being town. Bussing Tommy is likely optimal here if he is maf, because I have so much scumbud equity with him that if he is maf I become the golden target for a misvote that will be reasonably difficult for town not to take the bait on lol.
Don't get me wrong though, Eli / realiti / Hal is still probably the scumteam that makes the most sense if there hasn't been crazy bussing all game though. So Tommy not getting hammered doesn't solve into Tommy being maf. In fact, Tommy getting hammered also doesn't solve into Tommy being town. Bussing Tommy is likely optimal here if he is maf, because I have so much scumbud equity with him that if he is maf I become the golden target for a misvote that will be reasonably difficult for town not to take the bait on lol.
I think Eli is basically open wolfing the start of this day phase, I'd vote him if it was up to me atp actually
hal would rather not play the game but I do kinda feel like maybe we have been dumb and let him off free and he's just sheeping wolf partner Eli
I'm currently in an Eli/hal/realiti wolfteam world gth
I don't think there's any world in which town Eli comes in blaming me for the game after getting his reads wrong, he's intentionally misrepresenting the game in lylo
idk what hal is doing he clearly doesn't care regardless of alignment, but I guess that's possible just due to second wolf rand in a row
hal would rather not play the game but I do kinda feel like maybe we have been dumb and let him off free and he's just sheeping wolf partner Eli
I'm currently in an Eli/hal/realiti wolfteam world gth
I don't think there's any world in which town Eli comes in blaming me for the game after getting his reads wrong, he's intentionally misrepresenting the game in lylo
idk what hal is doing he clearly doesn't care regardless of alignment, but I guess that's possible just due to second wolf rand in a row
Vote apricity
Duskfall98 vote Eli with me