Here's a team I kinda want to see end up better, since it has somewhat of a "glass cannon" effect. Swampert (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Torrent EVs: 236 HP / 136 Def / 80 SAtk / 56 SDef Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Curse - Earthquake - Ice Beam - Rest Raikou @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 188 HP / 216 Spd / 104 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Hidden Power [Ice] - Roar - Thunderbolt The idea is to receive support from Celebi/Vaporeon to make up for lack of Sub. Roar out Snorlax/Regice over Spikes, then decimate with +1 Thunderbolt. Pretty much the same goes for Swampert. I opted for HP Ice because I don't have a *solid* counter for Celebi. Once they spot Roar, I'm pretty sure the Leech versions will have no fear switching in. Might as well surprise them. Celebi @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 240 HP / 148 Def / 120 SAtk Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Heal Bell - Psychic - Recover Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 120 Atk / 136 Def Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Counter - Drill Peck - Roar - Spikes I like Counter. I never really Rest unless I have some kind of standard Brazilian stall team, and Sub just seems like a waste of health now. Takes on late game Aerodactyl when Swampert/Vaporeon are down, at least. Also cool for those lame HP Fire Celebis. Aerodactyl (F) @ Choice Band Trait: Rock Head EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Double-Edge - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Flying] - Rock Slide Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Water Absorb EVs: 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Protect - Roar - Surf - Wish Swampert and Raikou have Ice moves, so I thought why not use Roar here? The main problems it's been having is not having a way to shut down spinners. The team offense thrives on Spikes damage, but if I can't keep them down, it's not going to be doing much. The other issue is just a personal preference. Sometimes I'll intentionally forego using a special wall and rely on typing to field special attacks. In that regard, Raikou/Celebi/Vapreon together take a lot of special attacks without problems. Rate/Comment/Suggest stuff.