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Summer Freedom UU List Voting

Discussion in 'Tournaments' started by Nate, Apr 25, 2006.

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  1. Nate

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    This will be open for something like a week, until signups are open. Signups will be open in May, and last until June. Pairings will be set up then, and after the first ridiculously long round the rounds will go approximately one per week. At double elimination, the tourney finishes approximately with summer.

    Here are the current suggestions upon which you can vote:

    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU

    Any other pokemon's status you may care to look up will be according to the list located at http://www.smogon.com/community/showthread.php?t=8230.

    This poll is up for your benefit; not being in the tournament, I think it most fair to leave this up to you.
  2. gene

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    Arcanine: BL to UU - definetly too good for uu
    Chansey: BL to OU - no way should this be allowed :/
    Charizard: BL to OU - bellyzard are you kidding me
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU - doesnt belong in uu
    Exeggutor: BL to OU - bellossom on drugs
    Forretress: BL to OU - not uu material
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL - if gligar is uu, this isn't broken
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL - uu imo but bl works
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU - he has good resistances and satk; too much for uu
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL - uu imo
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU - this better get banned
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU - ._.
    Swellow: UU to BL - i like fearow better anyway ._.
    Ursaring: BL to OU - god no
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
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  4. Jackal

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    hi nate ilu

    Arcanine: BL** to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU**
    Charizard: BL to OU**
    Cloyster: UU to BL**
    Crobat: OU to BL**
    Espeon: BL to OU**
    Exeggutor: BL to OU**
    Forretress: BL to OU**
    Gligar: BL** to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU**
    Granbull: UU** to BL
    Golem: BL to UU**
    Hariyama: UU to BL**
    Houndoom: OU to BL**
    Jumpluff: UU to BL**
    Jynx: BL** to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU**
    Lapras: OU** to BL - shut up goofball
    Ludicolo: OU** to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU**
    Machamp: UU to BL**
    Magneton: BL** to OU
    Meganium: UU** to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU**
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL**
    Omastar: UU** to BL
    Pinsir: UU** to BL
    Porygon2: OU** to BL
    Rhydon: BL** to OU [OMG]
    Scyther: BL to UU**
    Shedinja: BL** to UU - PLEASE JESUS BL please
    Slowking: BL to UU**
    Steelix: BL** to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL** O___________O
    Ursaring: BL** to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU**
    Walrein: BL** to UU
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    Arcanine: BL
    Chansey: OU
    Charizard: OU
    Cloyster: BL
    Crobat: BL
    Espeon: OU
    Exeggutor: OU
    Forretress: OU
    Gligar: UU
    Gardevoir: OU
    Granbull: UU
    Golem: UU
    Hariyama: UU
    Houndoom: BL
    Jumpluff: BL
    Jynx: BL
    Lanturn: UU
    Lapras: BL
    Ludicolo: OU
    Lunatone: UU
    Machamp: BL
    Magneton: OU
    Meganium: UU
    Miltank: OU
    Mr. Mime: BL
    Omastar: UU
    Pinsir: UU
    Porygon2: BL
    Rhydon: OU
    Scyther: UU
    Shedinja: UU
    Slowking: UU
    Steelix: OU
    Swellow: BL
    Ursaring: BL
    Venusaur: OU
    Walrein: UU
  6. noobster

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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL > UU
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
  7. The Plant

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    Also slowbro needs a ban.
  8. Flub

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    Arcanine: BL.
    Chansey: BL. If someone wants to waste their BL pokemon on chansey, they can be my guest. It gets raped even worse than blissey does against physical sweepers, which UU is full of.
    Charizard: OU. Remember when bellyzard used to be severely OU? Any pokemon that was OU should still be OU.
    Cloyster: BL. With that kind of defense...
    Crobat: BL. It's typing and moves suck.
    Espeon: OU.
    Exeggutor: BL.
    Forretress: OU. Why use steelix when you can use this?
    Gligar: UU. Ice and water both OHKO it, and it is traditionally UU.
    Gardevoir: OU. Gardevoir has enough defenses to really whore CM.
    Granbull: BL. Intimidate+394 atk=not UU.
    Golem: UU.
    Hariyama: BL.
    Houndoom: OU.
    Jumpluff: BL. With its speed, subsleepseed is way too good, and STAB fly beats any grasses that try to counter it.
    Jynx:OU.
    Lanturn: BL. It boltbeams, absorbs bolt, and resists beam.
    Lapras: OU. Lapras has stab surf and ice beam, has thunderbolt, and has great defense.
    Ludicolo: OU. Just what we need, more ludicolos toxiseeding and annoying the hell out of everyone.
    Lunatone: BL. Because of CM sleepage.
    Machamp: BL. That thing has monster attack.
    Magneton: BL. Magneton doesn't do anything but kill skarms.
    Meganium: BL.
    Miltank: OU.
    Mr. Mime: OU. Why grumpig if you could mime
    Omastar: UU. It really doesn't do much.
    Pinsir: UU. Definately.
    Porygon2: OU.
    Rhydon: OU. CB rock blast, CB earthquake, subpunch...
    Scyther: BL.
    Shedinja: UU. What can shedinja do even if it UU?
    Slowking: BL. If slowbro is BL, slowking is.
    Steelix: BL. One step up from aggron/golem, so BL.
    Swellow: BL. Why use fearow if swellow is UU.
    Ursaring: OU. Like heracross, but with a STAB'd return and a STAB'd facade.
    Venusaur: OU. It has always been OU for most people.
    Walrein: BL.
    Registeel:BL.
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    Arcanine: BLto UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UUto BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UUto BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL - BL is Jynx is allowed
    Jumpluff: UU to BL>OU
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU- It wont get much use either way
    Machamp: UU to BL - for Hariyama's sake
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BLto OU
    Scyther: BLto UU - play SSBM Roy
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UUto BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
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  11. noobster

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    whoever the fuck is voting chansey as bl should be shot
  12. SpaceFlare

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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU - allowing this in the tournament would be gay
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU -it'll be a sin to make this BL.
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
  13. Devilkid

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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU

    Ok yeah i marked my opinion...
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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UUto BL
    Houndoom: OU to BL
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL This is so much closer to OU than UU
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
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    Arcanine: BL
    Chansey: OU
    Charizard: OU
    Cloyster: BL
    Crobat: BL
    Espeon: OU
    Exeggutor: OU
    Forretress: OU
    Gligar: UU
    Gardevoir: OU
    Granbull: BL
    Golem: UU
    Hariyama: BL
    Houndoom: OU
    Jumpluff: BL
    Jynx: OU
    Lanturn: UU
    Lapras: OU
    Ludicolo: OU
    Lunatone: UU
    Machamp: BL
    Magneton: OU
    Meganium: BL
    Miltank: OU
    Mr. Mime: BL
    Omastar: BL
    Pinsir: BL
    Porygon2: OU
    Rhydon: OU
    Scyther: UU
    Shedinja: BL
    Slowking: UU
    Steelix: OU
    Swellow: BL
    Ursaring: OU
    Venusaur: OU
    Walrein: BL
  16. Death Phenomeno

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    Arcanine: BL to UU ---> no
    Chansey: BL to OU ---> yes
    Charizard: BL to OU ---> ys
    Cloyster: UU to BL ---> yes
    Crobat: OU to BL ----> yes
    Espeon: BL to OU ----> yes
    Exeggutor: BL to OU ---> yes
    Forretress: BL to OU ---> yes
    Gligar: BL to UU --->....i don't know...no actually it's bl imo.
    Gardevoir: BL to OU ---> yes
    Granbull: UU to BL ---> no
    Golem: BL to UU ---> yes
    Hariyama: UU to BL ---> yes
    Houndoom: OU to BL ---> maybe lol
    Jumpluff: UU to BL ----> yes
    Jynx: BL to OU ---> yes
    Lanturn: BL to UU ---> yes
    Lapras: OU to BL ---> yes
    Ludicolo: OU to BL ---> yes
    Lunatone: BL to UU ---> yes
    Machamp: UU to BL ---> yes
    Magneton: BL to OU ---> yes
    Meganium: UU to BL ---> no
    Miltank: BL to OU ---> yes
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL ---> no
    Omastar: UU to BL ---> yes
    Pinsir: UU to BL ---> no
    Porygon2: OU to BL ---> yes
    Rhydon: BL to OU ---> yes
    Scyther: BL to UU ---> yes
    Shedinja: BL to UU ---> no
    Slowking: BL to UU ---> yes
    Steelix: BL to OU ---> no
    Swellow: UU to BL ---> yes
    Ursaring: BL to OU ---> yes
    Venusaur: BL to OU ---> yes
    Walrein: BL to UU ---> ..no cos if it is then it'll be on every team lol
  18. Mekkah

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    I'll bold whatever I agree with.

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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL
    Crobat: OU
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU
    Houndoom: OU
    Jumpluff: UU to OU
    Jynx: BL to OU
    Lanturn: BL
    Lapras: OU
    Ludicolo: OU
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU
    Omastar: UU
    Pinsir: UU
    Porygon2: OU
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU
    Shedinja: BL to UU
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU
    Swellow: UU to BL
    Ursaring: BL to OU
    Venusaur: BL
    Walrein: BL to UU

    Well this is my opinion and the firs post i ever have posted here. ;>
  20. Somebody

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    Arcanine: BL
    Chansey: OU - Like Wynaut, I don't think this belongs in ANY metagame.
    Charizard: OU
    Cloyster: BL
    Crobat: BL
    Espeon: OU
    Exeggutor: OU
    Forretress: OU - I'm not gonna be forced to use Fire Blast Nosepass =[
    Gligar: UU - meh
    Gardevoir: OU
    Granbull: UU
    Golem: UU
    Hariyama: UU - Lots of different votes on this one.
    Houndoom: BL
    Jumpluff: BL
    Jynx: BL
    Lanturn: UU
    Lapras: BL
    Ludicolo: OU
    Lunatone: UU - lol
    Machamp: BL
    Magneton: OU
    Meganium: UU
    Miltank: OU - Hell no
    Mr. Mime: BL - UU imo =\
    Omastar: UU
    Pinsir: UU
    Porygon2: BL
    Rhydon: OU
    Scyther: BL
    Shedinja: UU - 'sup JackaI?
    Slowking: UU
    Steelix: BL
    Swellow: BL
    Ursaring: BL - I find it hilarious how some people want to keep Machamp at UU and send this to OU.
    Venusaur: OU
    Walrein: UU
  21. Jackal

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    i usually dont like calling out specific people on their list, but mekkah you want pinsir in BL (who is walled to shit by the most common pokemon, gligar), but keep MACHAMP and SWELLOW uu... o________0

    also agreeing with noobster chansey is not BL stop shitcans

    EDIT: also please guys can we ban shedinja I will post my battle with somebody if I have to in order to persuade you people.

    Lets put it this way smogon lost to pokerealm because of shedinja.
  22. Mekkah

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    ok I read it wrong cut me a little slack. I don't want to see Ursaring, Hariyama or Machamp AT ALL in UU, I just forgot to vote for them. I don't give a rats ass about Swellow since it's not much more dangerous than Fearow. Ohno instead of a lot of things it will outspeed everything, but only if you trade all of the Attack the thing had left for it.

    Don't overhype Guts, it's not too easy to get it Toxiced or burned without paying a bitter price for it, and even if you do you still need to get around Golem, Aggron, Banette, Solrock and Misdreavus.
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    Seriously, what is so bad about Shedinja? Just about every team has Rock Slide or something like that.
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    Arcanine: BL to UU
    Chansey: BL to OU Chansey stops things like Manectric from being useful at all, it just changes the metagame too much.
    Charizard: BL to OU
    Cloyster: UU to BL Although personally I'd make it OU.
    Crobat: OU to BL
    Espeon: BL to OU
    Exeggutor: BL to OU
    Forretress: BL to OU
    Gligar: BL to UU
    Gardevoir: BL to OU
    Granbull: UU to BL
    Golem: BL to UU
    Hariyama: UU to BL I was going to say UU, but it's pretty much the same thing as Machamp anyway.
    Houndoom: OU to BL I suppose...
    Jumpluff: UU to BL
    Jynx: BL to OU I personally find Jynx a pain to fight but uh... Not sure really so I won't choose.
    Lanturn: BL to UU
    Lapras: OU to BL
    Ludicolo: OU to BL
    Lunatone: BL to UU
    Machamp: UU to BL
    Magneton: BL to OU
    Meganium: UU to BL
    Miltank: BL to OU
    Mr. Mime: OU to BL
    Omastar: UU to BL
    Pinsir: UU to BL
    Porygon2: OU to BL
    Rhydon: BL to OU
    Scyther: BL to UU I might have said BL at one time but Gligar is really common now so Reversal Scyther isn't quite as good as it used to be.
    Shedinja: BL to UU If Houndoom becomes BL I'd support this even more, Shed can be a pain but there are ways to get around it.
    Slowking: BL to UU
    Steelix: BL to OU This is a touchy one since I'm used to Steelix and include it on most of my PR UU teams, not voting I suppose.
    Swellow: UU to BL Swellow seems like a waste of a BL slot but making it UU should probably make Fearow semi-obsolete.
    Ursaring: BL to OU I can see the case for making it OU though. Machamp gets walled more easily by Gligar and doesn't have Swords Dance.
    Venusaur: BL to OU
    Walrein: BL to UU
  25. Jackal

    Jackal I'm not retarded I'm Canadian it's different
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    when you only have 2 pokemon that can kill it and they both get haxed early on it sucks.
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