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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Gambit, then wellspring. Postpone ghold to dlc 2
you sit right the fuck down and put some respect on shiftry's name, buckarooski. i'll have you know that shiftry has many, many uses in gen 9 ou. to list merely a few of the myriad options shiftry has available to it, it can:
- completely hardwall zapdos with tera ground wind rider
- utilize its excellent movepool to surprise opponents with coverage moves such as extrasensory, icy wind, and chilling water
- annihilate opposing teams with rollout, which doubles in power every time it hits an opponent and is even more powerful if run alongside defense curl (which should always be run on shiftry for what i hope should be obvious reasons)
- be outsped by great tusk and die to it
- run scarf explosion so you can stop using shiftry as quickly as possible and bring out a better pokemon
- look badass
- run defog and knock off, forcing gholdengo to play the 50/50 switch mindgame—if you predict correctly, ghold either dies to knock off or doesn't switch in and you get to remove hazards
- wait fuck that last one might actually work
- win gen 3 contests, according to my first playthrough of emerald in like 2006
You forgot tera, which would help with a lot of these.
Been awhile since we got an update on that (afaik)
with how short the meta is, probably dlc2 only
Finchinator has already said that there would be no action on Tera before Indigo Disk. Maybe you forgot that, but it is common knowledge at this point.
We aren't getting the Tera suspect until probably a good bit after the Indigo Disk DLC drops and all the stupid stuff is quickbanned.
honestly, even as a terapreviewchad, i kind of wish we could just rule out another tera suspect altogether so people would stop harping on it and just play the meta we've already been playing for almost a year
…of course, if this mysterious new tera type turns out to be some "super effective against everything" 8-year-old-designing-his-first-fakemon type bullshit, that kind of invalidates my opinion
…of course, if this mysterious new tera type turns out to be some "super effective against everything" 8-year-old-designing-his-first-fakemon type bullshit, that kind of invalidates my opinion
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Thank you. The mods of this site needs to step in and shut crap like this down hard. Smogon has a rep for shit like this.
to be fair, a lot of competitive games have a reputation for this sort of thing. look how quick everyone is to dunk on "noobs" and "casuals" in basically any esport, it's a problem that's bigger than just us. this is why i've always said that
Absolutely. And as we are one slice of that community, it falls on us to make sure we don't fall into that trap of Toxicity. We don't have enough hazard removers as is. I think we do pretty ok with that, especially with users like us who aren't afraid of some outward reflection.
Granted, this is also a rather rare problem that I see here, but it's been fairly, I dunno, prickly here, even I need to log off and take a break, and that's something I reserve for Reddit
I really hope that dlc list is incomplete, i want my boy tangrowth back, he has serious potential in OU. Bringing back smeargle is wild though, its going to cause all sorts of havoc with the amount of broken low distribution moves this gen. Maybe even the first viable offensive smearlge set with spore, shell smash, pop bomb and maybe wicked blow for gholdengo? Meme central but it does get technician and + 2 is still stronger than maushold so...
+2 252+ Atk Technician Smeargle Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 330-400 (81.6 - 99%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 270-330 (66.8 - 81.6%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
the idea being its almost impossible to setup with maushold but with spore and some luck smeargle can get +2 easily and make the 1200s weep
+2 252+ Atk Technician Smeargle Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 330-400 (81.6 - 99%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 270-330 (66.8 - 81.6%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
the idea being its almost impossible to setup with maushold but with spore and some luck smeargle can get +2 easily and make the 1200s weep
…shit, i like that. i think power trip would work better than wicked blow, after a shell smash you've got 140 power versus wicked blow's effective 112.5. does a lot less damage before the shell smash than wicked blow but it's smeargle, you're doing no damage without shell smash anywayI really hope that dlc list is incomplete, i want my boy tangrowth back, he has serious potential in OU. Bringing back smeargle is wild though, its going to cause all sorts of havoc with the amount of broken low distribution moves this gen. Maybe even the first viable offensive smearlge set with spore, shell smash, pop bomb and maybe wicked blow for gholdengo? Meme central but it does get technician and + 2 is still stronger than maushold so...
+2 252+ Atk Technician Smeargle Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 330-400 (81.6 - 99%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 270-330 (66.8 - 81.6%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
the idea being its almost impossible to setup with maushold but with spore and some luck smeargle can get +2 easily and make the 1200s weep
this is all moot of course because smeargle is going to get access to revival blessing and no one is gonna be caught dead running a set that doesn't have it
So Smeargle is officially Jesus?
not until there's a move that turns water-types into wine-types. smeargle can definitely be elijah though
I did not think of Smeargle until you just reminded me that it has Technician and access to Population Bomb. I agree with DaddyBuzzwole that Power Trip would be better for an offensive set. Definitely gonna try that out when the Indigo Disk DLC drops, that sounds hilarious.I really hope that dlc list is incomplete, i want my boy tangrowth back, he has serious potential in OU. Bringing back smeargle is wild though, its going to cause all sorts of havoc with the amount of broken low distribution moves this gen. Maybe even the first viable offensive smearlge set with spore, shell smash, pop bomb and maybe wicked blow for gholdengo? Meme central but it does get technician and + 2 is still stronger than maushold so...
+2 252+ Atk Technician Smeargle Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 330-400 (81.6 - 99%) -- approx. 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Technician Maushold Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Manaphy: 270-330 (66.8 - 81.6%) -- approx. 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
the idea being its almost impossible to setup with maushold but with spore and some luck smeargle can get +2 easily and make the 1200s weep
+2 252+ Atk Smeargle Power Trip (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 272-320 (86.3 - 101.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
lol. lmao even
and the best part is, it still has spore for anything that pop bomb/power trip don't immediately kill, so you can go for a second one (or some cheeky extra setup if you need to). volatile, but this might genuinely be a set worth running
what kind of looney tunes ass metagame is this where we can seriously discuss offensive smeargle? the pokemon with 20 base attack? who's highest stat is 75 speed? im serious, what even IS this metagame, is this the gen where we see the rise of shit like offensive chansey?
Nah I zoned out whenever that was claimed.
Bummer but is what it is.
You haven't see smogon dex's SV UU set for blissey.
I mean, we had Assault Vest Pex, so anything is possible!
Just to avoid a one-liner: I think that Meowscarada has its niche, but I think there's merit to exploring new sets for this mon. I wonder if it could run a set like Specs pult. So giga for heal, u-turn for pivot, dark pulse, and a coverage move. It doesn't have the same blistering speed as Pult, but it might have other options that might be worth investigating. Anyone wanna do some calcs on Specs Meow vs common meta sets?
Yeah it probably sucks, but…
+2 252+ Atk Technician Tera Normal Smeargle Population Bomb (10 hits) vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 360-440 (102.2 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Dragon tail Slowking would have been excellent, especially when combined with future sight. Without phasing, Manaphy just sets up for free on all the bulky AV options we have currently.
I agree, that’s literally some NatDex AG kind of shit and the NatDex AG metagames are complete chaos.
No seriously, check out its Setup Sweeper entry for Gen 8 NatDex AG. I’m serious.
https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/smeargle/
It even uses… Another (Sticky Web) Smeargle as a support teammate. Actual deranged maniac looney toons kind of shit.
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I think revival blessing is kind of a bad move, and pawmot is an infinitely better user of it than smeargle will ever be
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