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Discussion in 'Past Gen Teams' started by NatGeo, Sep 5, 2010.

  1. NatGeo

    NatGeo ¡Órale!
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2010
    Hiya! Nat with his first eva RMT. Previously i had been very interested in Hail teams so i decided to make my own. And here it is!

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    [​IMG] STORM

    Abomasnow @ Choice Scarf / Bold Nature
    140 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 116 Special Attack
    Hidden Power Fire
    Wood Hammer

    Blizzard and Woodhammer are obvious STAB choices. HP Fire takes care of Steels who expect one off the STAB moves. And Earthquake because, well, Earthquake.

    I chose a Bold Nature because with it, it can take hits a lot easier than regular 'Snow leads with a Hasty Nature.


    AeroDactyl: Just WoodHammer away, Simple as that. Can take what it throws at it and will usually only manage to get up SR and thats it.

    TrickScarf Starmie: Absorbs the Trick (if it uses it) and OHKOes with Wood Hammer. Bulky enough to live a hit and Fight back.

    Smeargle Lead: /Bangs Keyboard/ I will outspeed with Scarf, but with a focus Sash, I'm Screwed. Storm gets put to sleep. Switch out to Mamo who kill it off with Ice Shard.

    Leadakiss: Blizzard only does about 3 quarters to it, and if it has Air Slash, it'll just about kill me, though I will survive bar a crit. Fire blast however, cleanly OHKOes. Switch Mamo out to a weakened Toge and Snipe it off with ice shard.

    Swampert: Wood Hammer. Nuff Said.

    Roserade: Blizzard it, then if it Sleep Poeders on me, Switch to Mamo as it sets up Toxic Spikes, and Ice Shard away!

    Ninjask: Easy enough. Swicth to Walrein as they set up a sub, sub my own as they SD, then roar the recipient back. It's also nice to stall the pokemon that comes out.

    Azelf: Can be pretty risky since it's hard to tell what they pack right off the bat. I usually would switch to Wish fearing a fire blast; however if they decide to use SR then i Rapid Spin to break the Focus Sash (and just in case they Taunt); Switch to Kawaii if its low on health and explodes.

    Breloom: Oh boy. With a scarf it outspeeds Storm, so I go to Starmie to take the sleep, having Natural Cure and all. Then Froslass comes, Takes the Seed Bomb, Then I proceed to switch To Mamo to take the Stone Edge, and kills it off with and Ice Shard. Shown Half my party in a few turns, which is never good.

    Dragonite: Blizzard it. If it has a Focus Sash, it will Kill me with fire blast (bar hax). If Storm goes down, I go to Mamo who Snipes with Ice Shard. Possible SR up to boot.

    Empoleon Lead: 2 Earthquakes from Abomasnow and this thing is gone. SR or an attack is all that really gets through.

    Mamoswine: Switch to Starmie on first turn ond OHKO with surf.

    Metagross: Starmie comes in, Surf it. When it decides to explode I go to Froslass.

    Weavile: HP Fire afteer the Fake out so Counter wont work as well. Hp fire again, and its one pokemon down for them.

    Tyranitar: Weather leads always need to be taken out quickly. Switch to Starmie, and proceed to kill with Surf. If it doesn't quite get killed and Starmie goes down then there's always weavile and Mamo.

    Machamp: /bangs face on keyboard/ Annoying. Switch to Froslass to take an immune Dynamicpunch, T-wave or Blizzard it and sacrifice Kawaii. Storm then kills with blizzard if it has been damaged already. if not, its off to starmie to surf it.

    Jirachi: Since it Can't trick me ( already scarfed, silly!), it'll go for the Iron head, so i switch to walrein, which takes two turns to break the sub. From there it's PP stalling until it decides to switch.

    Hippowdon: BLIZZAAARRD! Once its dead, switch out and come in later.

    Infernape: Starmie Kills after it switches on the Fire move.

    Heatran: Switch to Starmie whether it uses SR or uses a fire move. Outspeeds ond kills with surf before this lava bomb goes off.

    Gliscor: BLIZZZAAARRDD! 'Nuff Said.

    Celebi: Never seen one, but when I do, It'll fear the Blizzard. Clean 2HKO.

    [​IMG] duhhh....

    Walrein @ Leftovers /Bold Nature / Ability : Ice Body
    220 HP/ 252 Defense/ 36 Speed

    Behold the simple(minded) yet awesome might of Stallrein. Simple enough to explain. Will outspeed several walls and Toxic stalll them, gaining half a sub (54 HP) every turn.

    Very Useful to the Team for beating blissey down and generally causing havoc on the other team. With Toxic Spikes up, it can easily defeat blissey at its own game.

    Speed EVs Allow it to outspeed Skarm and Swampert (and all nuetral base 70s for that matter) and Sub (or Protect) before they retaliate . From there its Toxic Stalling or Phazing if there are enough entry hazards on the field. No one likes being hit by Stealth Rock and/ or 2 layers of Spikes (not to mention Toxic Spikes).

    [​IMG] Kawaii!
    Froslass@ Leftovers / Timid Nature / Ability: Snow Cloak
    248 HP / 140 Defense/ 120 Speed/
    Thunder Wave

    My Spiker and Snow cloak abuser.Since Snow Cloak reduces accuracy by 20% then perfectly accurate moves (bar machamp) will have about the accuracy of Fire Blast. All the more useful to evade moves (and pull up subs with that speedy base 110 zooom-zoom power). If I manage to Thunder Wave the opposition, then it will have only about a 70 % chance to hit at any time which is really nice to set up Subs, Spikes, and the like.
    Overall, Very Useful when it comes to Messing around with enemies.
    As for the Speed Evs, those are for whenever a Lucario comes on any Pokemon other than Starmie, and I switch while it uses SD. This way I can Pull of a T-wave, Crippling it for the rest of the match, bar a cleric. Then A double switch ensues and the match goes on.
    Kawaii is cute in Japanese, Hence.

    [​IMG] Sea Wasp
    Tentacruel@ Leftovers / Calm Nature
    Sludge Bomb
    Toxic Spikes
    Rapid Spin

    After realizing that Starmie was far too frail to be an effective supporter for this team, i decided to go with what is, apparently, a very good stall pokemon, Tentacruel.
    With Toxic Spikes up, Froslass and Walrein were given much less burden than with Weavile on the team. Toxic spikes means I can use Surf on Walrein so I'm not walled by Steels. For Froslass That Means when Snow Cloak is in Effect, It Won't have to resort to blizzard and Can Set up Subs instead.
    On another note, this thing helps alot in walling (and stalling (heheh it rhymes!)). Infernape is usually walled by the the Jelly, which is good, since most of his sets can sweep my team otherwise (That's when Tenta and Starmie are down, so It's not going to happen a lot.)

    [​IMG] Wish

    Starmie@ Choice Scarf/ Timid Nature
    252 Special Attack/ 252 Speed/ 4 Special Defense
    Hydro Pump
    Grass Knot
    Ice Beam

    A revenge killer, like Mamo, though it's specially based this time around. Thunderbolt and Ice Beam are fairly obvious, as is Hydro Pump. Grass Knot instead of trick due to the fact that I am just about walled by Swampert, who, along with Infernape, is very troublesome when not a lead.
    STAB Surf obliterates in tandem with BoltBeam.
    This is what my team wished upon a star for.

    [​IMG] Siberia

    Mamoswine@ Life Orb/ Jolly Nature
    252 Attack/ 4 Defense/ 252 Speed
    Ice Shard
    Stealth Rock
    Stone Edge

    Standard attacking Mamo with a twist. Ironically, this team hates Stealth rock, though it likes the enemy having it to net kills. Hence, Life Orb over Choice Band.
    You're probably thinking "You already have Weavile, so why this?" Well, before i posted this, I din't really think about using Mamo until it became clear that this was the only viable thing in the OU metagame that can use stealth rock. I lose out to the Obese Chunk Of Fail, But at least it Cant use Twave on me.

    In the case that a Blissey switches in, Here are some calcs:

    Stone Edge to Bold 252/252 Blissey - 35.9% - 42.3% (Barring no crits)
    Earthquake to Bold 252/252 Blissey - 53.8% - 63.4%

    So I don't really lose out by much. Keep in mind that This is a Jolly Nature.
    So you see, Mamo is now a really integral part of the team. Besides, who DOESN'T love seeeing their opponents Blissey smashed by a Crit Stone Edge and then Ice Shard?

    And that is all, Folks! I'm to lazy to put other matchups, so there.
    I usually just use the Smogon sets, though i may tweak a little.

    What do you all think? Comment below!
  2. NatGeo

    NatGeo ¡Órale!
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2010
    Descriptions are now expanded, calcs for Mamo's moves, etc.
    As would anyone here, I would like to see some questions on this team!
    I know, flawed presentation.... but enjoy anyways!
  3. Darkamber8828


    Dec 28, 2009
    How do you not have have Tentacruel? It spins away SR (which you hate), it Tspikes for you (Which Stallrein loves and Stallass doesn't mind), and it resists practically all of Abomasnow's weaknesses (and vice versa)

    Scarf Starmie and get rid of Weavile for Tentacruel today!

    EDIT: It's also quite a bit more bulky than Starmie, so it'll be a more effective glue.
  4. NatGeo

    NatGeo ¡Órale!
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2010
    Thanks for the advice!
    I've been noticing Starmie isn't as bulky as i hoped.
    And besides, special sweepers FTW!
  5. Jebus McAzn

    Jebus McAzn

    Apr 11, 2010
    You need Tentacruel badly. It's the most reliable check to Infernape, which could rip through every Pokemon on this team bar Starmie (and Starmie's rather frail to begin with). I advise you cut either Froslass or Weavile for a Tentacruel, and have it run Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin, Surf/Hydro Pump, and HP Electric/Grass.

    You also need a Swampert check (be careful too, because Infernape+Swampert is a very powerful and threatening offensive core). Cut Rapid Spin from Starmie, since Tentacruel can get it, and replace it with Grass Knot. If you want, you can also cut Surf for Recover to make Starmie a bit more durable.
  6. Delko

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    Sep 7, 2009

    As a big fan of Hail teams I fell obligated to give you some constructive critisism.

    First of all I suggest you use Leftovers on Starmie. After taking Hail damage and Life Orb recoil Starmie looses 16% of its health every turn. Of course you will not want that because Starmie is an important member for your team, countering dangerous pokemon such as Gyarados and Infernape. I also suggest dropping Ice Beam for Recover. Starmie is actually pretty bulky and Recover will give it a niche over the suggested Tentacruel. Besides you already have enough Ice-type attacks on your team so the loss of Ice Beam is neglectable. I also suggest a slightly different EV spread on Starmie, a spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe would benefit you the most.

    I also notice that you are quite weak to SD Lucario and Scizor, which is actually pretty common for Hail teams. This can be solved by using Gliscor instead Mamoswine. Typewise they are the most related and Gliscor also provides you with a decent counter to Tyranitar and a decent way to deal with stall. I suggest the basic Stallbreaker set with Taunt / Earthquake / Roost / Stealth Rock. You could also go with U-turn or Toxic instead of Taunt if you want.

    I also suggest a little change on your Walrein set. It's best to have at least one offensive move. I suggest either Surf (or Brine) or Blizzard instead of Toxic. You can use Toxic on Froslass if you want poison support, to bad you don't have Toxic Spikes support.

    To gain freedom to choose attacks on Weaville you could go with Expert Belt instead of the Choice Band you have now. It also helps you fake a Choiced item.

    That's all I have, I hope this helped and good luck with you team.

    EDIT: It's better to use Blizzard against lead Aerodactyl instead of Wood Hammer, so you don't get recoil damage.
  7. NatGeo

    NatGeo ¡Órale!
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2010
    I probably will make two teams based on the comments, each having a few recommendations.
    I'lll tell you how it goes and I'll post the team that does the best.
  8. NatGeo

    NatGeo ¡Órale!
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 4, 2010
    Ok so Overall, Delko's additions, despite sounding against the status quo, were the most effective.
    Too lazy to post his suggestions so read his post two up.

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