Ugh, the Ladder seems a bit too shaky for me to Climb
Hi, its Youngmoney. I am pretty new the community, just joined a few days ago. But I have been lurking alot. I am on shoddy a lot when I need to test some teams, but I have never laddered for the sake of winning. Just pure testing. After thinking about it I decided that I might want to get on the competitive side of the Ladder and try to get a really high Cre. So I went straight to the lastest issue of "The Smog" and hit open the "Mastering the OU Ladder" report. After reading I realized that Offensive Teams should be used to get to the the bottom of the ladder, then stall your way to the top.
But then one question came to my mind instantly. Is stall the only way to get up there with the big dogs? I know 1650 is alot but is it humanly possible to reach that cre with using only offensive teams? Then Another question then came to my mind. If it is possible to get to the top (Or well at least close eg top 10) with offensive based teams, will this mean you can ladder with one team only and still make the cut? I was just wondering if there is some team changing tactic that mods use when on a laddering session, Like switching teams every 50 battles, or Switching teams when you reach a certain cre. The reason I wanted to know this is that I dont want to ladder and then reach a point where it is like "Good luck and may the best staller win", or "Ok I am confident that my team has more PP than yours, GG".
After reading the section about "Stall vs Offense", I then went on into the "Shooting for the stars vs Point Hustling". It introduced the 2 diffrent approaches mods use to climb.
-Players like august and Twist of Fate are more notable for playing an excessive amount of battles in a short time frame while maintaining an exceptionally high win ratio. While players like Kevin Garrett and panamaxis milk an already solid alt to assure an optimal rating so that they can later ladder to a very high CRE.
It would be nice if someone explained these two methods a bit more to me because I am not too sure I get them. How does battling plenty in short periods of time effect your cre? And as for Kevin and Panamaxis (My Favorite), milking? lol Yeah I don't completely understand how that works either. I know all the information is there but most of the the things that were written lost me.
If you have 200 deviation, a single loss will do great harm to your CRE. On the contrary, a deviation of only 30 means you are not going to see your CRE change all that much. <<<Had no idea whats going on here?
I also have one more question about the ladder system. I asked someone about a good stratigy on getting a high cre, He told me to have a perfect win ratio untill you have reached 1500. Then stall.
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You are kidding me... I have been idling in the 1300s for weeks now how the heck can I get a perfect win ratio until 1500. But of coarse I tried this method. I made an alt and and no losses until one which was about 1321. So I said np ill just make another alt and try again. But after making TONS of alts and attempting to win all my battles, it just felt like I was doing the battle tower. Lose and you're out :)
I got really fustruated at this point because I had no clue on how the CRE system works. Thats why I am making this thread, hopefully some of my fellow smogoners (Yes I said Smogoners) will help me out by explaining the system a bit more clearly to me.
Do I need to win Consecutive battles to climb high, or it just the win/loss ratio. Say player A has a ratio of 143 wins and 57 losses on the ladder. And Player B and a ratio of 98 wins and no Losses. Who would have the higher cred. Is it suggested to quit your nick and make an alt once you have lost too many? How does the method of "Milking" work exactly? Is my only option to stall? How long should it take, or how many battles should it take to get to 1500 on average?
I would appreciate it if one/some of you who are or have been on the ladder (Or at least have made it to 1500) to clear some of these things up for me. Thank you!
