The Spanish Inquisition

[Adamant Zoroark]

The final nail in Kyurem's coffin is that Special Attacking Kyurem-Black is the Spanish Inquisition of Pokemon.

Okay, so, yeah. I think this guy's right. Seriously, Mixed Kyurem-B on hail... It's so much better than Kyurem and so much Spanish Inquisition! It's AWESOME! On the downside, this is a hail team we're talking about. The seven-weakness weather starter, and... not very many abusers. But, in the long run, Mixed Kyurem-B, so those points are 100% moot. Because Mixed Kyurem-B is the Spanish Inquisition of Pokemon, like how Katakiri thinks Special Attacking Kyurem-B is the Spanish Inquisition of Pokemon. And so is ScarfRachi!

Abomasnow @ Expert Belt
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 Atk / 144 SAtk / 112 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Blizzard
- Ice Shard
- Hidden Power [Fire]

To start off, you need Abomasnow, to allow Kyurem-B to use Blizzard and shit. However, the thing that really puts me down about Abomasnow these days is its number of weaknesses: 7, which includes weaknesses to Fighting and Fire, two of the most common types in the game. On the plus side, it's not too difficult to win weather wars against non-Sun teams with it because it can beat all of them except Ninetales with just Wood Hammer. Need to beat Ninetales? Just go to Latias or Heatran, it's not like anyone uses HP Ground Ninetales anymore. Need to revenge kill a rampaging ScarfMoxieMence? No worries, you've got that Ice Shard. Hidden Power Fire is for Ferrothorns/Scizors and stuff, and Blizzard... I really don't go for it much, I've been considering just running Earthquake to hit Ninetales/Heatran on the switch.

Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 252 SAtk / 140 Spd / 116 Atk
Rash Nature
- Blizzard
- Fusion Bolt
- Outrage
- Hidden Power [Fire]

The Pokemon with the second-highest BST of all Pokemon, tied with Kyurem-W! And guess what? You can use it in OU! Wait, what? That's right Jimmy, nothing makes sense in competitive Pokemon! Okay, but seriously, there are two things you can do against Kyurem-B: You can either check it, or you can lose. With my given stats, it hits 404 Attack and 371 Special Attack, so it's hitting hard from both ends of the spectrum. Outrage hits hard, and Blizzard hits hard. No explanation needed. Fusion Bolt for Politoeds and Skarmory and shit. Ferrothorn giving you a headache and Heatran's down? HP Fire. This thing is just so retardedly powerful that I've often won games with it without even setting up Stealth Rock.

Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Recover

I really needed a Keldeo check, because if you don't have at least one check to Keldeo, you're losing. So, I just slammed LO Latias on this team and called it a day. I must say, she makes for a pretty nice Double Dragon with Kyurem-B. Latias slams opposing Kyurem-B and destroys Techniloom, making Kyurem-B's life so much easier. I've also found it to be a surprisingly nice Terrakion check, since it's faster, while Scarf X-Scissors and Stone Edges do not OHKO. It also checks Venusaur, something I shouldn't be relying solely on Heatran to check. Other than that, she just hits like a truck with those Draco Meteors and seems to me to last forever with Recover, despite LO and Hail chipping away 16% of her health.

Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Spd
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect

Heatran is here to get up Stealth Rock and beat Genesect. That's pretty much it. Even though the Hail is nice for making Mixed Kyurem-B super-awesome, it seriously hurts the potential of Heatran. I pretty much need it for a Fire immunity and Stealth Rock and shit, but Hail canceling its Leftovers recovery really hurts it. Lava Plume is nice for burning shit, but it often conflicts with Toxic Spikes. Still, it prevents shit like Lucario from getting free set-up at least. I've honestly found Heatran to be this team's Achilles' Heel, but I need Stealth Rock.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 248 HP / 148 Def / 112 Spd
Bold Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Ice Beam

For viable Hail spinners, I honestly think Tentacruel is the best option. Against Rain teams, it can take advantage of their own weather with Rain Dish. It gets up Toxic Spikes, which, while not the best hazards, help me get some necessary KOs and prevent some sweepers like Keldeo from sweeping too easily. It's also a nice secondary check to Techniloom; In fact, this Tentacruel runs enough Speed to outrun Jolly Breloom before it can Bullet Seed me into oblivion. Scald is nice for burning shit, but once again conflicts with Toxic Spikes. At least it makes shit like Lucario think twice before coming in and/or setting up. It also has that nice burn chance for Scizor, which is especially handy since Tentacruel resists all of Scizor's main attacks.

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- U-turn

Spanish Inquisition part two. ScarfRachi is a boss who knows no limits in this metagame, and for one reason: Genesect. Since Scarf Genesect leads are oh so predictable, I can lead with Jirachi and surprise them when I'm faster and exterminate Genesect with Fire Punch. That thing won't be killing Latias any time soon because I'm killing it with Jirachi! Or Heatran, choose your poison. It's also nice for opposing Kyurem-B, since Jirach is faster and can Iron Head flinch it to death. A great back-up for DD Dragonite too, as I can Ice Punch it to death (also helped by the fact that Hail breaks Multiscale and shit). When I think the opponent will switch, I'll go for U-turn to see what they switch to. This thing is just fantastic.

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Ok, that's the team for you. Here's your importable for you people who wanna hijack this team:

Abomasnow @ Expert Belt
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 Atk / 144 SAtk / 112 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Blizzard
- Ice Shard
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 252 SAtk / 140 Spd / 116 Atk
Rash Nature
- Blizzard
- Fusion Bolt
- Outrage
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Psyshock
- Recover

Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SDef / 8 Spd
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 248 HP / 148 Def / 112 Spd
Bold Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- U-turn

 

[dragonuser]

Hey,

This is a pretty cool team and it has good use of Kyurem-B. I feel like any major changes to this team would hurt its synergy more than help it, so I will try to focus on optimizing your movesets. I'm not entirely sold on why you have HP Fire on Kyurem. While it does guarantee a 2hko on all ferrothorn, Blizzard also has the potential to do a lot of damage (guaranteed 3hko). I think running Substitute over Hidden Power Fire would be a beneficial moveset change. Substitute gives Kyurem-B a lot of flexibility and really eases prediction, and the lack of HP Fire isn't too huge (you also have tons of other ways to hit Ferro hard). Also pretty much any other Steel-Types will be hit harder/same by Fusion Bolt iirc. I would also try running Blizzard on Tentacruel. The power difference is pretty noticeable, and it can really help Tentacruel in actually damaging the opponent (Ice Beam does a measly 31-37% to Latios). Anyways cool team, gl.

 

[Endeby]

Hi, LucaroarkZ. This team caught my attention because I have been trying to make Kyurem-B work in Hail as well. With limited sucess, I might add. Your team seem better than anything I bothered making, but I still think some small changes could help.

I share dragonuser`s concerns regarding Hidden Power Fire. Max Special attack Blizzard is enough most of the time, and HP Fire is also quite problematic in rain. Sub is good, but something like Earth Power could also be handy against Heatran, Bronzong and Magnezone.
I am seconding Blizzard on Tentacruel. The extra power is worth the accuracy drop you get under weathers that`s not hail. It`s not like you will be using ice attacks against the other weather abusers, anyway.

I also think losing 16 % of your total health on Latias every time you attack is something that should be addressed. Sure Recover makes it possible to get away with it, but having a Leftovers there would still make her life a bit less stressful. The classic bulky CM set can both check Keldeo and keep itself alive longer:

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock
- Recover

You will do worse against Heatran, but can remedy that with Earth Power on Kyurem-B or/and going through with your Earthquake plans on Abomasnow.

Lastly, while I talk about Abomasnow: I`m a fan of Seed Bomb over Wood Hammer on him. Even on the Expert Belt set. My reason being that Wood Hammer recoil quickly adds up, and keeping this guy alive will often be of high priority. Abomasnow being SR weak is especially problematic, because you wont find opportunities to get Tentacruel in and spin in this metagame every time you need to. This mostly comes down to taste though, and I do realise that I am probably in the minority on this one. But hey, think about it.

I might give your team a test drive, as I really love good Hail teams. If I do, I will probably come back with more feedback.

 

[Adamant Zoroark]

Hey,

This is a pretty cool team and it has good use of Kyurem-B. I feel like any major changes to this team would hurt its synergy more than help it, so I will try to focus on optimizing your movesets. I'm not entirely sold on why you have HP Fire on Kyurem. While it does guarantee a 2hko on all ferrothorn, Blizzard also has the potential to do a lot of damage (guaranteed 3hko). I think running Substitute over Hidden Power Fire would be a beneficial moveset change. Substitute gives Kyurem-B a lot of flexibility and really eases prediction, and the lack of HP Fire isn't too huge (you also have tons of other ways to hit Ferro hard). Also pretty much any other Steel-Types will be hit harder/same by Fusion Bolt iirc. I would also try running Blizzard on Tentacruel. The power difference is pretty noticeable, and it can really help Tentacruel in actually damaging the opponent (Ice Beam does a measly 31-37% to Latios). Anyways cool team, gl.

HP Fire has helped against Ferrothorn a bit, though I do have Heatran. I don't know about Substitute since Substitute + LO will stack up very quickly. Ice Beam on Tentacruel is me not bothering to check up on its learnset.

Hi, LucaroarkZ. This team caught my attention because I have been trying to make Kyurem-B work in Hail as well. With limited sucess, I might add. Your team seem better than anything I bothered making, but I still think some small changes could help.

I share dragonuser`s concerns regarding Hidden Power Fire. Max Special attack Blizzard is enough most of the time, and HP Fire is also quite problematic in rain. Sub is good, but something like Earth Power could also be handy against Heatran, Bronzong and Magnezone.
I am seconding Blizzard on Tentacruel. The extra power is worth the accuracy drop you get under weathers that`s not hail. It`s not like you will be using ice attacks against the other weather abusers, anyway.

I also think losing 16 % of your total health on Latias every time you attack is something that should be addressed. Sure Recover makes it possible to get away with it, but having a Leftovers there would still make her life a bit less stressful. The classic bulky CM set can both check Keldeo and keep itself alive longer:

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock
- Recover

You will do worse against Heatran, but can remedy that with Earth Power on Kyurem-B or/and going through with your Earthquake plans on Abomasnow.

Lastly, while I talk about Abomasnow: I`m a fan of Seed Bomb over Wood Hammer on him. Even on the Expert Belt set. My reason being that Wood Hammer recoil quickly adds up, and keeping this guy alive will often be of high priority. Abomasnow being SR weak is especially problematic, because you wont find opportunities to get Tentacruel in and spin in this metagame every time you need to. This mostly comes down to taste though, and I do realise that I am probably in the minority on this one. But hey, think about it.

I might give your team a test drive, as I really love good Hail teams. If I do, I will probably come back with more feedback.

Earth Power is probably something to try out, since Latias being my only real answer to Heatran probably isn't the best of ideas (though it personally hasn't been a problem to me due to Heatran's lack of recovery). Hitting Rotom-W without resorting to Outrage would be cool too (Teravolt is awesome). I've used that Latias set before, and the problem I have with it is that it's too dependent on boosts; I've found that it needs two or three Calm Minds to do any real damage, and I like taking things out without having to get three boosts. I might try Seed Bomb on Abomasnow, though I think the loss in damage output will be very noticeable.

 

[Keldeo333]

Hey nice team but your team is pretty weak to ScarfChomp as it can KO all your pokemon with the right move and can outspeed ScarfRachi your only way to check it is with Ice shard but then again it's pretty common for Abomasnow to have that so it probably won't stay in on it. Don't really know what you could change though, maybe a ScarfChomp of your own or change latias to scarf with hp fire and Jirachi to specially defensive.

 

[Adamant Zoroark]

Does anyone even use ScarfChomp? I swear, I only ever see Choice Band or Swords Dance Garchomp. Besides, I pretty much already have a game plan for Scarf Chomp; If it locks itself into Outrage, it's a free Jirachi Ice Punch target (or even Abomasnow if 'chomp is weakened enough, not like Garchomp will be at max health for the whole match anyway); If it locks itself into Dragon Claw, it's a free Jirachi U-turn target. I should be able to handle ScarfChomp no problem.

 

[DarkBlazeR]

Definitely go with Earth Power over Hidden Power [Fire] on Kyurem-B. You'll hardly miss out on much coverage (Blizzard still 2HKOs Ferrothorn and non-SDef Forretress/Scizor), and you'll gain the ability to smack Jirachi and Heatran a lot harder, whilst allowing you to KO Rotom-W without resorting to Outrage as others have already stated.

I'd also run Earthquake over Blizzard on Abomasnow. It usually seems questionable to replace a STAB move with a coverage move - however in this case I'm really not sure what Blizzard is hitting harder specifically that isn't dealt with already by its other moves. Wood Hammer hits stuff that is neutral to both STABs harder, HP [Fire] deals with all Steels bar Heatran, Ice Shard deals with Tornadus-T/Dragons. I guess Blizzard does more to the Dragons, but they all outspeed and OHKO you anyway. Landorus-T/Gliscor are the only things that Blizzard really targets, but neither would ever switch in on you anyway.

With a tag team of EBelt Abomasnow and LO Kyube already softening up Steels, I don't think Latias needs to run a LO offensive set and instead should adopt a bulkier role. I like the idea of CM Latias as it appreciates Aboma/Kyube luring in and removing its counters so that it can sweep with a boosted Dragon Pulse. Tentacruel already checks Keldeo nicely (especially if you run Toxic over T-Spikes), and you can always run Psyshock on CM Latias if you're really paranoid. However, if you'd rather try something else, a support Latias would also fit your team very nicely:

Set

Latias @ Leftovers
Trait: Levtitate
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 Spd
Timid Nature
- Psyshock
- Thunder Wave
- Reflect
- Recover

This Latias acts as a pivot that can support your team in a variety of ways. It acts as a great defensive pivot that can check virtually all Fighting types in OU, whilst also checking Rotom-W more effectively. Thunder Wave is the crux of this particular set: by slowing down stuff, Kyube is much more free to sweep as it is pretty slow - Paralysis remedies this problem. Reflect allows Latias to check Terrakion/Breloom much more effectively, and gives your team a good physical buffer in general. The big advantage this Latias has over other similar supporters is that it is naturally speedy, meaning it won't ruin your offensive momentum.

On another note, LO Jolly Mamoswine looks like it could be a threat to this team. Yes, you can RK it with Scarf Jirachi, but you'll have to predict well to get it in safely (i.e. on an Ice Shard and not an Earthquake!), and Mamoswine will probably just switch out anyway. In the mean time, Mamo will be able to heavily damage your team if you're not 100% with your prediction. Although not essential, one possible EV change to Kyurem-B would be 16 Atk / 252 SAtk / 240 Spd. This leaves it with 379 Attack and 285 Speed - there will be a slight power drop, but 379 Attack is still no laughing matter, especially in combination with a Life Orb. Not only does 285 speed put it above Jolly Mamoswine, but also allows it to outpace other things such as Adamant Lucario, Timid Heatran, 263 Speed Ninetales, Adamant Toxicroak, etc.

Despite a lengthy post I do like this team a lot - it's always refreshing to see a good Hail team in an increasingly rain-centric metagame, which is why I have given it a Luvdisc. Good luck!

 

[Adamant Zoroark]

I actually have quite a few things against Support-oriented/Calm Mind Latias sets, one being that uninvested Psyshock does not OHKO Keldeo while +1 Keldeo's HP Ghost/Ice does 50% minimum (65% minimum with Life Orb). I'd rather take 16% damage instead of 65% damage, especially with the risk of a critical hit. I feel that having a Latias that 100% checks Keldeo is necessary, since from my experience Tentacruel is god-awful vs. Keldeo (it kinda beats non-Sub Keldeo, but SubCM Keldeo uses Tenta as setup bait). I've pretty much been drawn completely away from CM Latias due to the fact that it takes a while to get to a point where it actually deals respectable damage; the Latias set I have now does good damage right off the bat. I've tried CM Latias multiple times and have found it underwhelming every time. Personally, I think the Latias set I have now is better against Kyurem-B because Draco Meteor OHKOes, while unboosted Dragon Pulse from CM Latias merely 2HKOes (not optimal for obvious reasons). That should hopefully explain why I'm using the Latias set I'm using right now.

Mamoswine is probably the biggest threat overall to this team, but I've still not been troubled by it because against Mamoswine, I'm not going to send in ScarfRachi on it willy-nilly and Mamoswine's Ice Shard does not OHKO Latias. (It's funny, pretty much every time I made a BW2 RMT, someone identified something as a threat that I was able to beat every time I saw it. Don't worry, I'm used to it) I may end up trying the new EV spread, but I'm looking into a new Stealth Rock user to replace Heatran because I still find Heatran to be complete dead weight outside of being the most reliable Genesect answer on this team, but I just feel like I need something more offensive in its spot (I've often found myself unable to set up Stealth Rock with it, especially in this Rain-centric Fighting-type infested metagame.... and Garchomp), and I may end up putting another Mamoswine check there.

Edit: As for Earth Power on Kyurem-B and Earthquake on Abomasnow, I actually started testing Earth Power on Kyurem-B about an hour before you made your post, and I've gotten good results so far. I'll start testing Earthquake on Abomasnow to see how that goes.