The (un)Official DPP Ladder Tournament - Cycle 1

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Hi! Let's play some DPP.

1. The hosts of this tournament are Bad Ass (who didn't post this on time and thus is the epitome of traaash) and BKC. We will be using the Smogtours Pokemon Showdown DPP OU ladder for this tournament, not a new one. This will ensure maximum activity and competition.

2. The qualification period for the DPLT will run for a total of 28 days with 7 day cycles, which is 1 month to put things into perspective. After each 7 day cycle, the top 4 accounts that appear on the leaderboard (using ELO) at the end of the cycle with the sign-up criteria explained in #3 below will qualify for the playoffs of the OLT, which will be a 16 man, best of three, double elimination tournament. The tournament is not seeded. Pairings for the qualified 16 are randomized. The ladder is not reset after each cycle, only alts are (meaning you create new alts after each cycle).

3. We are not requiring you to sign up for this tournament! In order to preserve the spirit of the days of Shoddy Battle ladder, we are allowing, even encouraging you to play on whatever random alt you want! However, the alternate account you use must have "LTX" (where X is the cycle number) as a tag. Furthermore, anyone qualifying for the top 4 in any cycle must post in that cycle's thread, tagging both me and Bad Ass and confirming your alt, much like you would in a suspect test. Pretty easy process.

[00:58:45] ___: how many alts are we allowed to sign up with
[00:58:48] ___: 1?
[00:58:56] %BKC: you dont have to sign up at all
[00:59:03] %BKC: you can use as many as youd like

[01:01:48] ___: you dont even
[01:01:51] ___: have to post in the threaD?
[01:01:57] %BKC: not if you dont want

Hopefully this clears it up.

4. Don't be dumb and cheat. Yes, we are checking all top 4 accounts for registration date. All cheaters will have to face the punishment of one (1) facial mutilation from BKC. Don't do it. To avoid this, do not register your account for any cycle (this includes cycle 1) until AFTER it has began.

This cycle starts at a minute after midnight, Eastern Standard Time, on Monday, February 1st and ends at exactly 3:30 PM EST the next Sunday. The 3:30 PM end time is to give the three major time zone blocks -- North America, Europe, and Oceania -- a chance to qualify without having to be up at an unreasonable hour. To avoid any unclarity, we will be taking a screenshot of the ladder exactly as it stands at 3:30 PM Eastern Standard Time each Sunday and using that to determine qualifiers.

THE DEADLINE IS 3:30 PM EASTERN TIME THIS SUNDAY.

Best of luck and have fun! If you have a really great game on the ladder, feel free to post it in the thread (after the cycle ends is fine if you don't want your alt revealed till then).
 
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Evasion Abilities are banned from ladder (also from the main server), this is not supposed to happen right? Because you can't use in dpp pokemon like Froslass or Gabite for example.
 
hey i'm not trash!! the thread is really not super necessary and i was a tired boy :(

anyway, came here to post something:

1) Please feel free to use this thread as a pseudo-suspect test thread! for those of you who are too young for the days of good suspect test threads, it can be for discussion of shit you saw on the ladder, general shit talk, metagame analysis, or anything! Since this thread is pretty much useless elsewise, this would be a great use for it. Also, discussion of what's going on in the meta is a great way to develop the meta more!
 
Lost in my first game to an Agiligross but won two more. Was running the EE15 offense (Meta/Zap/Star/Jira/Tar/Gyara), pretty effective against what I ran into esp seeing that people aren't really prepped for it (and are bad: in my second game I actually outplayed a ScarfTar with my Lefties Zapdos #nohacksjustskill). Will record some metagame trends later, as mostly teams seem to be standard offense (as it is easy to ladder with and get quick wins) (the Agiligross team actually had an SR Blissey lead which was weird at first sight but actually an interesting choice: team was Bliss/Gyara/Meta/Loom/Jolt/I forget the last, probably a Tran or something).

Also ban BP and Nape.

Edit: My username is DPLT1 NinjaxThrash, do hit me up!
 
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First off, I'd like to mention that #dpp is the channel for discussion if you'd like to swing by! The ladder is absolutely booming, it's amazing to see. Tons of good players on alts while big guns like Malfoy and LB are just fighting away on their mains, blast to the past etc. etc.

Lord Ninjax said:
Lost in my first game to an Agiligross but won two more. Was running the EE15 offense (Meta/Zap/Star/Jira/Tar/Gyara), pretty effective against what I ran into esp seeing that people aren't really prepped for it (and are bad: in my second game I actually outplayed a ScarfTar with my Lefties Zapdos #nohacksjustskill). Will record some metagame trends later, as mostly teams seem to be standard offense (as it is easy to ladder with and get quick wins) (the Agiligross team actually had an SR Blissey lead which was weird at first sight but actually an interesting choice: team was Bliss/Gyara/Meta/Loom/Jolt/I forget the last, probably a Tran or something).

Also ban BP and Nape.
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This is a Malfoy team, last is Tyranitar. He used it against me in the final of a tour.

Swampert, Zapdos and Breloom are everywhere. This kind of not-all-that-threatening offense will always do well, but it's finally starting to get thwarted by more than just an occasional HP Grass Zap. For example, Costa and "IPL" were laddering with IPL's old stall team and while the team kinda shows how dated it is (for example, bulky Roserade just destroys it), it was a very nice example of old-school guys like Forretress, Restalk Gyara and Restalk Rotom showing that they are still extremely good. Forre in particular absolutely loves this Pert-fest. This kind of stall has an great matchup against most of those bulkier offenses who are often guilty of too much bulk and not enough offense.

We even got this beauty of an old-school-tinged game: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen4ou-119819
The aforementioned IPL stall faces off against D01 who is using an old stall team of mine and LizardMan's, inspired by Earthworm's old one with the ideas that SpD Cele could be a psuedo-Blissey that counters Breloom at that, with Scarf Rotom giving it some speed. It's nice although the Pursuit bait and lack of bulk/longevity certainly show, ScarfTran's probably a better bet. Somalia created the same 6 poke squad himself; he uses Leaf Storm + U-turn on Cele though, I went through more utility shit like Leech Seed, Perish Song and Heal Bell.

Anyway, 2 Forret Gyara stalls facing off is a nostalgic thing of the past, it was lovely to see such a matchup. You can find Heist's segment in the RoA PotW about how 2 Forre stalls is interesting due to the long-term thinking involved. 2nd LS miss on Rotom kinda blew, but SpD Tran loves this sort of game and D01 didn't use it to its full potential imo (it didn't switch in until after his Rotom died to Forre).

EdwardElric15 said:
bkc record some ladder games :D
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moxie requested this as well, I'll try

Edit: the stall teams are really coming out in full force now! Generally Skarm/Rose + Starmie as is the norm now. Haven't seen much spinless stuff yet. Enjoying seeing Forret dump on people

First day and people are already enjoying the hell out of the tour, this makes me so happy to see. Make sure you thank Bitch Ass

Edit 2: some more thoughts

Scarf continues to be the go-to Tran variant, although I did see about 3 SpD sets so that was really cool. Offensive Suicune is making a comeback, it's not the best at getting into the thick of the action and sticking around (that is reserved for the True cune set, rt roar) but alongside the hold-it-back-for-lategame approach, it's been playing more hyper offensively, I've noticed. The guys who get SR and immediately send it in unscathed to set up and attack tend to rip a huge hole in their opponent's team. Something to think about
 
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The alt I registered didn't have LT in it, heh hopefully that can get fixed.

Anyway I haven't seen any stall at all (except for my own variant of obi stall). Almost every team I've seen is Stathakis style hyper offense or your classic balanced builds. People seem to be making teams that aren't vulnerable to stall, packing a lot of exploders and/or wincons that pretty much wreck stall on their own.
 
I'm 10 on ladder at time of this post although I've lucked some people. I used around 3 teams SOMALIA built all with variants of lead Metagross offense.

I'm not the most knowledgable in dpp metagame but a lot of people using the roserade balance teams and also ho
 
Surprised to see so much good competition on the ladder. I haven't played too many games yet, but there have been some really good ones! I'm so rusty though lol. Alot of my old teams feel outdated now, I'll have to work on some new ones haha. If anyone wants to build lmk :]

One thing I've noticed is that I haven't seen a single Gliscor. It's like ever since the Sand Veil ban, people have just stopped using it. Idk maybe it is still out there and I just haven't played enough games yet, but I just thought that was interesting.
 
I played a Gliscor team, it was a moderately fast taunt EQ one. I didn't find out the other moves and it used toxi orb I believe
 
Yeah Gliscor only got Poison Heal in Gen 5, so hopefully it wasn't Toxic Orb lol. Sounds like a stallbreaking Gliscor, which used to be pretty common iirc. I guess there hasn't been too much full stall on the ladder though.
 
Googly said:
Surprised to see so much good competition on the ladder. I haven't played too many games yet, but there have been some really good ones! I'm so rusty though lol. Alot of my old teams feel outdated now, I'll have to work on some new ones haha. If anyone wants to build lmk :]

One thing I've noticed is that I haven't seen a single Gliscor. It's like ever since the Sand Veil ban, people have just stopped using it. Idk maybe it is still out there and I just haven't played enough games yet, but I just thought that was interesting.
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i don't know about other people, but i haven't been using gliscor personally because im too lazy to change the ability in the teambuilder to hyper cutter
 
mb it was lefties,

Also I haven't seen any DD kingdra, only one RD besides the RD one that I used a couple times
 
I'm surprised no one is using double dance bp gliscor. Is it that frowned upon or is it just too matchup oriented?
I haven't used it myself but I heard it's kinda tough for some teams to face.
 
I've personally taken offense to the lack of Britscor, which I still think is amazing. I did play one and it performed stupendously... so people are just dumb. I saw Zamrock using a lead set and boudouche with an LO one, so that was cool. However Taunt Toxic Glis is classic, use it more. Oh yeah I fought a more physically defensive set and it was soooooo nice having my 100% attacks not miss against it.

Edit: More thoughts; bulky Roserades are fucking everywhere, it's annoying all my TS offenses. I had several occasions where Skarmory just stayed in on my Rotom and died to Thunderbolt... people are really paranoid of it, it seems. Raikou has been absolutely shredding everyone, I'm very pleased with it. Oh and offensive Heatran sets kill.
 
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offensive heatran sets always kill. random resist berry means that you usually have if nothing else a kill against the random threat you are resist berrying (ape/gar for chople, waters for passho).

hp grass zapdos is a disease. use hp ice again so my swamperts are good :( but really grass + fire + elec coverage is stupidly hard to wall, basically the only way to really stop zapdos is SR first and foremost (sand helps so much here), keeping offensive pressure on it, or the few things that outright wall it (bliss/clef/hippo)

also i've been seeing a not insignificant number of "offense + blissey" teams. not sure how i feel about it yet.
 
Offenses are everywhere, i think its atleast the most reliable playstyle on these kind of tours since this playstyle have a good matchup against a ton of playstyle and its very good to grab quick wins, Balanced are good too but you can't really count on T-Spikes on some teams because Roserade is everywhere, Stalls are less common : most of them are variants of the kg one (Blissey, SpeDef Gyarados + Tyranitar)

Heatran is always good since it give you a decent stealth rockers, a check to Scizor and the resist berry is always good to have, i'd like the LO/E-Belt set too, its destroy so many kind of balanced teams which rely on both of Swampert/Ttar to check him !!!!, but unfortunately its very hard to find a good spot for him so you will have basically to build around a team, Hp Grass Zapdos is the reason why i use most of time Swampert + Tyranitar/CB Flygon (you can't really play Swampert + Hippowdon/Nidoqueen since they have same role which is to set stealth rocks and to check electrics/other threats), i think that Gliscor is still decent but its very hard to find a good spot for him on a standard balanced team, it can fite on some semi stall as a stallbreaker thought, Froslass ban is dumb since without him there are only Roserade and Skarmory which can set spikes on offensive teams (i don't like the use of spikes on rose lead and i don't like skarm in offensives teams). Forretress is making a comeback On stall teams, Machamp is always fun to face (when u loose to him even with a correct counter to him, love dynamic punch), Azelf is the best sr suicide lead mon on the ladder.

The only thing that i don't like is like in every ladder tour, you need a plenty of time to reach the top 4 (and to stay in i mean), DracoMalfoy make it to the top 4 by spamming offensives teams (from what i have seen), the ladder is a really good place to test some teams for other tours which is a thing that i'd like, hope there will be an ADVLT !
 
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zapdos is so good yeah, good offensively, solid bulk, good resistances... all around great.

also spdef rachi is amazing, beats so many offensive mons 1v1. sometimes you just need to take out 1 threat and it just beats everything on their team.

also can people stop using breloom? i fucking hate facing it. thanks
 
I find it really annoying that froslass is technically banned just due to its ability. I think we should at least make it like gen 5 sand rush + sand stream mechanics where you cannot have both (snow warning and snow cloak) on the same team. Froslass has a definite niche in this metagame as a fast spiker lead. Yes we still have Roserade, but it's not nearly as good as a lead because spikes is illegal with leaf storm and sleep powder. Both of those moves which allow Roserade to thrive as a capable lead.
 
Please find a way to remove replays for this tour. One of the teams I have is offense with Scizor and Dragonite.
  • Lucario killed opposing Scarf Tyranitar (locked into EQ) with Bullet Punch.
  • Opponent switches in Infernape.
  • 3/6 Mons on my team are unrevealed and the other revealed is Azelf.
  • I switch in Dragonite on the Infernape.
  • Infernape uses Hidden Power Ice on the switch in and Dragonite dies.
Knowing your opponents team ruins the essence of DPP. I am currently using around 5 different teams, anyone with a brain is able to find out all 6 mons in your replays unless you have 1000 good teams and switch every game.

No I'm not butthurt lol just want to play it like it should be played.
 
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