Tyranitar (Revamp) [QC 2/3] (Dropped)

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Overview
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  • good attack stat
  • sand stream
  • pursuit
  • checks birds
  • has sr
  • moveocean
  • great spdef
  • bad defensive typing
  • weak to common priority moves like mach punch and aqua jet
  • slow, even with scarf
  • setup bait for most fighting types
  • easily worn down

Choice Scarf
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name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Pursuit
move 3: Superpower / Earthquake
move 4: Crunch / Ice Punch
ability: Sand Stream
item: Choice Scarf
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
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  • pursuit traps gengar, latis, and other psychic types
  • stone edge to hit everything hard, esp birds
  • superpower to hit steels and rock types
  • eq to hit steels + get better neural coverage w/o drops
  • crunch for secondary stab and hitting hard in general
  • ice punch to hit grounds and dragons super effectively
Set Details
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  • jolly + scarf outspeeds base 115s and below
  • sand stream to negate opposing weather and give a spdef boost
  • maximum attack and speed to be able to effectively do its job

Usage Tips
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  • use this set to trap gengar, latis, starmie, and other psychic types that ttar forces out
  • is a great bird check as it outspeeds pinsir and thundy, as well as most variants of talonflame
  • good zard y check as it outspeeds, removes sun, and can troll it by locking it into solarbeam on the switch

Team Options
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  • keldeo, zard y, and landorus appreciate ttars ability to remove the latis
  • mons that take on water, fighting, and ground types, such as celebi, clefable, glicor, and keldeo
  • mons that appreciate ttars ability to check birds, such as ferrothorn, scizor, and celebi.
  • rockers such as ferro, lando (both), clefable, and garchomp are appreciated as the rocks they set allow ttar to score crucial KOs it otherwise couldnt
  • excadrill is an option as it spins and has sand rush, but the sand turns are limited.


Choice Band
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name: Choice Band
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Crunch
move 3: Superpower / Fire Punch
move 4: Pursuit / Ice Punch
ability: Sand Stream
item: Choice Band
evs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
nature: Adamant

Moves
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  • stone edge for STAB that hits any non resist rly hard
  • crunch for psychic types
  • superpower for steel types & opposing ttar
  • fire punch to hit ferro, while also hitting any steel not named heatran
  • pursuit traps opposing psychic types like the latis, while also getting crucial chip damage on chansey
  • ice punch can be used instead to nail lando t on the switch, while also hitting dragons and other grounds for decent damage

Set Details
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  • cb, adamant nature, and max attack investment give tyranitar as much power as possible
  • 156 speed EVs outspeed minimum speed mandibuzz, and the rest go into hp for bulk
  • 76 speed Evs can be used instead if you only need to outspeed skarmory

Usage Tips
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  • this set is used best as a wallbreaker to weaken things such as ferrothorn, rotom-w, and (mega) slowbro
  • good at pursuit trapping bulky psychics such as mew, slowbro, and cresselia.
  • good at trapping chansey for zard y
  • good lati check
  • good bird check
  • when in doubt, click stone edge because it hits rly hard
  • Keldeo, Zard y, and Landorus like Ttars ability to pursuit stuff

Team Options
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  • zard y likes the latis and chansey being trapped. lando too
  • excadrill can be used to sweep after ttar has broken down walls
  • mons that appreciate walls being broken, such as SD talon, SD Gallade, Choice Scarf Keldeo, Mega Lopunny, etc
  • mons that hate birds, such as Keldeo, lopunny, gallade, pinsir, etc

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everything below was done by Vertex. will edit it in once i finish the above

Support Tar
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name: Support Tar
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Pursuit
move 4: Ice Beam / Crunch / Fire Blast
ability: Sand Stream
item: Smooth Rock
evs: 248 HP / 36 Def / 224 SpD
nature: Relaxed

Moves
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  • rocks to help the team
  • stone edge to hits birds
  • pursuit to trap the latis
  • ice beam lures in lando, crunch hits psychic types hard, fire blast hits ferro and skarm hard
  • rock slide over stone edge can be used for more accuracy at the cost of power
  • roar can be used to prevent ttar from being set up on, esp when facing bd azu or sub keldeo

Set Details
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  • evs live a +1 DNite EQ, while sponging up special hits like a champ
  • smooth rock to maximize sand turns
  • relaxed nature to keep both offensive and defensive stats unhindered
  • chople can be used to avoid a ohko from mons that carry fighting coverage such as zam or gengar

Usage Tips
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  • use this set to set up rocks on things ttar forces out, such as talonflame or heatran
  • use this to check DDers such as Zard X and DNite in a pinch
  • sets up sand for excadrill to sweep under sand
  • can lure in ferro / lando t with fire blast / ice beam respectively
  • good lati check & can pursuit them
  • good bird check

Team Options
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  • EXCADRILL
  • celebi takes on azu and breloom, two mons that trouble sand
  • talonflame takes on bulky grasses
  • keldeo takes on bulky grounds & likes TTars pursuit & bird check support. also checks scizor
  • zard y likes TTars sand support and can wallbreak
  • lati@s takes on keldeo

Dragon Dance
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name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Stone Edge
move 3: Crunch / Ice Punch
move 4: Superpower / Earthquake
ability: Sand Stream
item: Tyranitarite
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Moves
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  • DD boosts speed and attack
  • crunch and stone edge are STABs
  • Superpower hits steels and rock types super effectively
  • eq can be used instead for the edgequake combo + no drops
  • ice punch is an option to hit lando t
  • fire punch is an option to hit scizor and ferrothorn

Set Details
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  • max speed and a jolly nature let it outspeed everything up to torn t
  • max attack to hit hard
  • tyranitarite to gain the crucial speed boost & bulk

Usage Tips
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  • only go for the sweep after priority has been removed
  • make sure the necessary walls are weakened
  • make sure faster scarfers are taken care of, such as lando t, before you dd

Team Options
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  • magnezone traps the steels that wall this set
  • mons that take on breloom, conk, azu, and scizor are needed. mons like celebi, talonflame, keldeo, and clefable work
  • mons that beat fairies such as heatran, ferro, or spdef talon work
  • mons that lay down sr such as chomp, lando t, and heatran are appreciated
  • talonflame is a good cleaner after ttar has wekened stuff
  • wallbreakers that break things down do ttar can sweep are appreciated, such as latios, azu, SD leadchomp, and specs keldeo

Other Options
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- PhysDef
- Brazilian TTar (special)
- EQ on choice sets hit Heatran for the most damage, and it gets good neutral coverage with stone edge.

Checks & Counters
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**Fairy-types**: azu, clef, and mega altaria take on all non CB sets well as they can either OHKO or severely damage ttar with their stabs. Azu also has priority aqua jet.

**Steel-types**: ferro, scizor, skarmory, and excadrill take little from TTars STABs and have ways to either kill it, or set up hazards on it

**Fighting-types**: keldeo, conkeldurr, mega gallade, terrakion, chesnaught, mega lopunny, and breloom resist both of TTars STABs (bar gallade) and easily OHKO TTar with their STABs.

**Physically defensive Pokemon**: Skarmory, chesnaught, hippowdon, ferrothorn, gliscor, lando t, rotom-w, mega sab, clefable, and mega venusaur have no problem walling TTar becasue they take little from its STAbs and can recover off the damage. however, lando t and gliscor must watch out for ice punch, and CB can beat clef and ferrothorn with stone edge and fire punch, respectively
 
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imo mention its overall good bulk, with spdef being boosted in sand. And scarf and band should've similar sets i.e. a fire punch slash on scarf.
what's tyraniboah?
 
Small thing, I thought that Brazilian ttar was just referring to thunder wave; not special. Also it was noted in the previous thread that special ttar is kinda bad and it doesn't really beat much that the other sets can't.
 
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Small thing, I thought that Brazilian ttar was just referring to thunder wave; not special. Also it was noted in the previous thread that special ttar is kinda bad and it doesn't really beat much that the other sets can't.
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Brazilian TTar is t wave + special moves + SR. Only have it mentioned because Ibe seen it used a few times. Not opposed to removing it if QC says to. OO rn has a bunch of random sets I've used / seen used to decent success so they may seem a bit unorthodox / gimmicky. Since this is still in the wip stage, OO is the least of my worries.

SparksBlade scarf doesn't have the moveslot for fire punch on scarf. It's not meant to take on Ferrothorn like the band set can. It simply doesn't have the power to win reliably.

Tyraniboah is sub punch + 2 attacks, an old relic from gen 4.
 
Ice Beam > Ice Punch on the Scarf set since it's a guaranteed OHKO on Scarf Lando-T after SR if Hasty/Naive and can OHKO the defensive set after SR.

0 SpA Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 300-356 (94 - 111.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
0- SpA Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 272-320 (85.2 - 100.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252 Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 248-292 (77.7 - 91.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

0 SpA Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-T: 296-352 (77.4 - 92.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0- SpA Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Landorus-T: 268-316 (70.1 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
-1 252 Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 176-208 (46 - 54.4%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
 
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Tyraniboah is sub punch + 2 attacks, an old relic from gen 4.
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nitpicking a bit, but tyraniboah was a set from the adv era. it was designed to break the seemingly impenetrable skarmbliss core, which most stall teams back in its creation were based around.

also, what does the 88 speed evs on cbtar outspeed? i know that these allow ttar to hit 180 speed (assuming an adamant nature), but iirc, there are no notable targets that hit 179 speed that tyranitar cleanly beats. if your intent with the speed evs was to beat 0 spe skarmory, you could just move 8 speed evs to hp and still beat the same targets. some clarification here would be nice.
 
ice punch is better due to sheer damage output. it's a better lock because it's stronger on neutral hits. furthermore, it does far more damage to spdef gliscor (43.8% chance to ohko after rocks vs 64.7 - 77.2%), thund-i (74.9 - 88.2% vs 50.1 - 59.5%), and latis (the difference is 38.1 - 45.4% vs 67.5 - 79.5% for latios and 31.3 - 36.9% vs 57.6 - 68.3% for latias). it also forces tyranitar to run a -def or -sdef nature, which it definitely does not want to do considering that it wants to take zard x's +1 dclaw and a lati draco.
 
Crunch is great neutral STAB without a chance of missing, I think it should be the first slot. It also wrecks latios and gengar if they decide to stay in, without the chance of a stone miss. Stone edge should be slashed with the ice move, which should be ice beam with a hasty nature. TTar without a rock move is a terrible zard-x check (not that its rly a good one in the first place, loses if it has eq or tar has taken any prior dmg), and ice punch only hits spdef gliscor harder out its intended targets (chomper, landorus, weakened hippo). 52 spatk should get a mention in the comments if ibeam is the only slash, as it grabs the ko on 0/4 garchomp all the time after sr. Jolly with stone edge should stay the primary slash though, with ice beam getting a mention if you're especially weak to either landorus / garchomp. ice punch should be removed

edit: ice punch should probably be the last slot on DD mega tar with lando-t #1 in usage, although i haven't used DDtar in ORAS
 
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Crunch is great neutral STAB without a chance of missing, I think it should be the first slot. It also wrecks latios and gengar if they decide to stay in, without the chance of a stone miss. Stone edge should be slashed with the ice move, which should be ice beam with a hasty nature. TTar without a rock move is a terrible zard-x check (not that its rly a good one in the first place, loses if it has eq or tar has taken any prior dmg), and ice punch only hits spdef gliscor harder out its intended targets (chomper, landorus, weakened hippo). 52 spatk should get a mention in the comments if ibeam is the only slash, as it grabs the ko on 0/4 garchomp all the time after sr. Jolly with stone edge should stay the primary slash though, with ice beam getting a mention if you're especially weak to either landorus / garchomp. ice punch should be removed
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not rly sure about this one tbh, because stone edge is TTars most powerful move nad its what allows it to actually beat things like wisp talon, mega pinsir, healthier thundies, etc. i do agree that crunch is a good move for TTar, but pursuit and Stone edge are more important imo (the former so it can actually trap things). however, crunch can be foregone if Dark STAB isnt 100% necessary outside of trapping things, so thats why i slashed ice punch with it.

i also dont like ice beam because you have to run hasty, which leaves you way more vulnerable to attacks TTar would otherwise live, plus the damage output isnt /that/ huge of a deal. you still 2HKO chomp & lando t, do more to thundy, and kill Spdef gliscor. ice beam is moves at best imo
 
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I'd like to see Earthquake in OO for choice sets primarily at the very least as an asset to net hits on Bisharp, Keldeo, Heatran etc. The attack and defense drops on Superpower kind of suck in a lot of situations such as the band set and gives Ttar a bit leniency on Keldeo switch ins and teams that lose their primary ground resists and immunities.
 
A few things, I'd slash EQ with Superpower on the Scarf set instead of leaving it in OO, for various reasons, like Diancie, Heatran, Toxicroak, and also the lack of drops (it's exploitable, but Scarf Ttar is exploitable in general). I'd also make a mention of Chople on the support set, helping w/ Gengar, Alakazam, n' such, as well as mentioning Rock Slide as a more reliable option over Stone Edge (I don't think it needs a slash though, just a mention). I'd also either slash or mention Roar for the Support set, as the surprise value allows you to phaze various stuff somewhat easily such as Hawlucha, Scizor, Suicune, etc (ESPECIALLY BD CHES!!1), as well as racking up hazard damage on stuff like Talonflame if Tyranitar's burned and it's grabbed too many boosts. Finally I'd slash EQ on the DD MegaTtar set, because it allows for staying power while retaining most coverage (especially if you use it alongside Fire Punch), and also slash Ice Punch w/ Crunch.

Otherwise, looks good, 2/3
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Should probably mention that Mandibuzz's standard set runs 16 Speed EVs. If you want to outrun it with the Banded set, you'd need 172 Speed EVs.
 
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Should probably mention that Mandibuzz's standard set runs 16 Speed EVs. If you want to outrun it with the Banded set, you'd need 172 Speed EVs.
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We cant speed creep specific EV spreads, that turns into speed creep wars.
I guess it could be mentioned in set details but its not like Mandibuzz is doing that much to ttar anyways.
 
boltsandbombers said:
We cant speed creep specific EV spreads, that turns into speed creep wars.
I guess it could be mentioned in set details but its not like Mandibuzz is doing that much to ttar anyways.
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I understand there should be no creep on unexplained stuff, but when Smogon's Mandibuzz analysis has 16 Speed I think a change in the spread would make sense (other QC dudes can give their opinion on this, tho). Also, Mandibuzz can potentially stall Tyranitar's Stone Edges out with Roost, so there's definitely an application in running some more speed.
 
Fair enough, thats reasonable I guess. Akin to how we kept the mention of outspeeding 44 spe rotom-w in the excadrill analysis but not on the main EV spread, that slightly faster spread can go in set details.
 
I would emphasize Keldeo more as a teammate for Band Tar. Band Tar is capable of Pursuit-trapping four of Keldeo's most critical checks, such as Slowbro, Lati@s after a Draco Meteor, offensive Talonflame, while being able to break down Rotom-W and Clefable as well. In return, Keldeo can handle Bisharp, which easily threatens Tyranitar with a STAB Iron Head, along with being able to threaten bulky Ground-types like Hippowdon, Gliscor, and Landorus-T.
 
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