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Unofficial UUs (Read Post #13) (don't post bugs here)
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To this extent, though, where the meta game was literally defined by these? I mean, the rain nerf was absolutely fantastic and catastrophic for rain teams but Keldeo went from S class OU down to UU (Though it still could EASILY rank in some B class viability OU) immediately.
I guess it really proves that UU doesn't mean not viable :/ Just feels like 59 might not be a big enough OU this gen.
Wait, I think I have missed something here. How are Deo-D and Deo-S UU? Didn't they get more usage than Terrakion, according to the usage stats thread in the main forum?
This
To quote myself:
is something I've been trying to drum into people's heads since I took over the usage stats.
To quote myself:
which addresses the last part of your post as well:
Tiers should have a relatively fixed size, no matter how many Pokemon are released / viable, because what we want from a tier list is a (manageable) list of Pokemon for a player to need to prepare for. Honestly, 59 might be a bit too big, and I would seriously consider RAISING the cutoff to have FEWER Pokemon in each tier before I'd consider lowering the threshold.
Cutoffs are determined by a weighting of the last three months of stats. The most recent month is the most relevant, making up ~83% of the stats, but there's still that other 17% to factor in from previous months.
Shame that my favorite speed booster didn't make OU, at least I can use it in UU where I can suspect it to dominate as it's main checks, and counters are mostly OU. It still needs to watch out for phazing, plus it lost it partner Espeon. Since it's still the beginning, where suspect tests have yet to happen, I can see a lot of changes to OU.
I'm wondering who will be the premiere Sticky Web user in UU.
I'm wondering who will be the premiere Sticky Web user in UU.
Oh, obviously. I totally forgot this is a beta stage, so there's no official three-month stats yet.
shadowyoshi64 Well, your choices are:
Ariados
Shuckle
Masquerain
Leavanny
Joltik / Surskit
Masquerain has Intimidate and some nice resistances but is 4x weak to SR. Leavanny is the fastest. Shuckle has the best bulk. I included Surskit / Joltik because their speeds are decent (at 65) while having unique typing.
Ariados
Shuckle
Masquerain
Leavanny
Joltik / Surskit
Masquerain has Intimidate and some nice resistances but is 4x weak to SR. Leavanny is the fastest. Shuckle has the best bulk. I included Surskit / Joltik because their speeds are decent (at 65) while having unique typing.
Well we might all be shocked at what we are seeing atm but we should keep in mind the following changes which have changed the game:
1) Fairy Type
2) Defog
3) Weather Nerf
4) Move BP Nerfs/Buffs
5) Mega evolutions
6) Ability/move mechanic changes and new additions
And to lesser extend new hazard, priorities and new type combinations. Add to that the new aspect of the game/pokemons and there are bound to be a lot of pokemon that are seeing "lesser" usage then they should.
Pokemon will always increase in numbers by each gen and title, but talks about making a new tier/dropping cutoff is a bit premature. We should let things run it's course, go through the usual method of dealing with seemingly overpowered threats in X tier and then see if the methods being applied are ineffective anymore.
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One of the first things I want to try in this Beta UU is a Politoed + Rain Dance Kingdra team. Of course a Hippodon + Stoutland is equally viable as well. While the current list may seem a bit HO-ish at first, there are a lot of bulky pokemon to make use of, Latias, Florges and Jellicent among many.
Edit: "following changes which have changed the game"
9.9
1) Fairy Type
2) Defog
3) Weather Nerf
4) Move BP Nerfs/Buffs
5) Mega evolutions
6) Ability/move mechanic changes and new additions
And to lesser extend new hazard, priorities and new type combinations. Add to that the new aspect of the game/pokemons and there are bound to be a lot of pokemon that are seeing "lesser" usage then they should.
Pokemon will always increase in numbers by each gen and title, but talks about making a new tier/dropping cutoff is a bit premature. We should let things run it's course, go through the usual method of dealing with seemingly overpowered threats in X tier and then see if the methods being applied are ineffective anymore.
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One of the first things I want to try in this Beta UU is a Politoed + Rain Dance Kingdra team. Of course a Hippodon + Stoutland is equally viable as well. While the current list may seem a bit HO-ish at first, there are a lot of bulky pokemon to make use of, Latias, Florges and Jellicent among many.
Edit: "following changes which have changed the game"
9.9
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Speaking of, here are the Megas that are available in UU:
- Absol
- Blastoise
- Ampharos
- Aggron
- Banette
- Aerodactyl
- Abomasnow
- Manectric
- Heracross
- Gardevoir
- Houndoom
- Medicham
Edit: Fixed. Thanks, Mario With Lasers, for catching my mistake.
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There's a lot more, considering only a third or so are Uber/OU. Gardevoir, Manectric, Houndoom, Heracross...
Mario With Lasers That's weird--there must be something wrong with my script that those Pokemon didn't show up in my Mega stats.
Edit: Yes, some serious typos. Also found some issues regarding Charizard/Mewtwo.
Edit: Yes, some serious typos. Also found some issues regarding Charizard/Mewtwo.
Maybe items like Gardevoirite were used more than 3.41% of the time by their holders and that's what threw you off? :P I'm looking at the unofficial UU Banlist right now and none of the pokémon I mention are listed, so their Megas should be allowed in UU unless kokoloko decides to put any of them in BL.
Rotosect
Banned deucer.
Awful coverage? Did you forget this thing gets mixed BoltBeam, Earth Power, Focus Blast, Iron Head and that little insignificant thing called STAB Outrage coming from 170 base attack?
As for the OU cutoff being 3.4%, I'll add my two cents: it's still an arbitrary number and there is no written rule that says it couldn't be changed if there was need to do so. Ideally the BL tiers should be as small as possible, so if we end up with something like 20+ BL mons this generation it means it's time to change it. As long as this doesn't happen, it means that UU is relatively balanced and the cutoff is fine.
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Mario With Lasers No, it's literally a bunch of typos and misspellings in my stats file.
Rotosect, if the cutoff is changed, the decision will happen far above your head (and mine, as well).
Rotosect, if the cutoff is changed, the decision will happen far above your head (and mine, as well).
Well,there is a lot of pokémons that are going up to OU and some that are going back to UU.
The Deoxys and Black Kyurem are going to return to OU,Politoed and Ninetales maybe because of the weather,probably Keldeo,Celebi and Metagross too
On OU Kangaskhan and Sableye are problaby going to UU
Also,is the going to be any UU room on Showdown coming up?
The Deoxys and Black Kyurem are going to return to OU,Politoed and Ninetales maybe because of the weather,probably Keldeo,Celebi and Metagross too
On OU Kangaskhan and Sableye are problaby going to UU
Also,is the going to be any UU room on Showdown coming up?
Finally!
I've been posting Doubles and LC UU lists for Gen V for over a year now...
Really? I haven't been keeping up. Well, I'm just hoping we get a ladder
TorchicBlaziken, this appears to be the last time I posted them all in one place. July 1 was so hectic--I'm not surprised I didn't get around to finalizing the unofficial UU tiers.
Already got you covered! http://psim.us/underused
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