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VGC 2013 Rain Team

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by Polifroeg, Jan 1, 2013.

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  1. Polifroeg


    Dec 29, 2012
    Ive been on smogon a while studying and I decided to put together a team any constructive criticism is appreciated

    Ivs:30 Atk 30 SpA
    Evs:4HP 252 SpA 252 Spd
    Ability: Drizzle
    Item:Choice Scarf
    Ice beam
    HP Grass
    Focus Blast

    Politoed will switch in and out to control the weather. It's STAB's are Hydro pump and Surf, I'll use surf when pared with Ludicolo or Toxicroak, but if one enemy benefits from surf (example an enemy with dry skin)or if I do not have Ludicolo or Toxicroak out I will use the more powerful Hydro Pump.

    Evs:4HP 252SpA 252 Spe
    Ability:Swift Swim
    Item:Absorb Bulb
    Fake Out
    Ice beam
    Giga Drain
    Hydro Pump

    Ludicolo will be paired with politoed he can use fake out on a threat to politoed while politoed boosts his special atack while using surf and hitting 2 enemies.

    Evs:4 HP 252 SpA 252 Spe
    Ability:Swift Swim
    Item:Life orb
    Ice beam
    Draco meteor
    Hydro pump

    Kingdra has Draco meteor instead of dragon pulse cause most dragon types have x4 weakness to ice beam and It can use Surf as his STAB as well as helping toxicroak, Draco meteor will be used as his STAB when I am not able to use Surf (If his partner doesnt have protect, x4 resistance or ability to absorb water) or If im faced with a dragon type without the x4 weakness to ice.

    Evs:252HP 252Atk 4Spe
    Ability: Dry Skin
    Item: Black Sludge
    Fake Out
    Sucker Punch
    Drain Punch

    Toxicroak can heal substitute easily with its 2 dry skin benefits drain punch and black sludge. Fake out can stall threats when it first switches in and Sucker Punch can hit fast beating ghost and psycic types it has trouble with.

    Evs:204HP 252SpA 52Spe
    Nature: Modest
    Item: Yache berry
    Dragon pulse

    Though his atack is higher he has a decent special atack and with STABs like Draco Meteor and Hurricane and also Thunder he can do great on rain teams.

    Evs:252HP 252Def 4SpD
    Ability:Storm Drain
    Item: Rindo Berry
    Ice Beam
    Earth Power

    Gastrodon is another who benefits from surf and with water atacks been drawn too it. One of the reasons I chose him is to defeat Metagross who could do damage 2 my team in a weather war against sand.
  2. M. Rock

    M. Rock

    May 21, 2010
    Hi, welcome to Smogon! You should probably add more meat to your descriptions; they are rather lacking. Also, have you tested this team yet? Generally people test teams before posting them so they have a better idea of what gives them trouble, thus it makes it easier for others to help them.

    Not going very in-depth, but your team suffers from common problems that generic rain teams often have:
    - Your offensive coverage is rather redundant; you're relying mostly on Water and Ice moves.

    - Offensive balance isn't great, too many special attacks

    - Only two of your Pokemon have Protect. You have no good way to defend yourself or scout out the opponent. All Pokemon you have should have protect unless it's holding a Choice item or a dedicated support Pokemon like Cresselia. This brings me to my next point:

    - Your team has no defensive backbone. It's all pure offense. People are running bulkier teams now with things like Cresselia and Intimidate Hitmontop for support; Pokemon like than can paralyze your team and lower their attack, among other things. So I would replace one of your Swift Swimmers with a Cresselia for support, it's moveset catered to your needs (really it's that diverse, there's no real 'standard' set for it). You do not need two Swift Swimmers.

    - Your team is absolutely murdered by Trick Room because you rely mostly on speed. Also, most TR teams (and most standard teams) carry a Tyranitar, who can change the weather. You will have trouble if this happens, because your team is too rain-reliant. Also, you have no super-effective attacks to hit Abomasnow, who has little trouble with most of your team. Cresselia can shut of TR and Scizor/Metagross poses a huge threat to both weather starters.

    - You have two dragons, but no dragon resist (i.e. a Steel-type). Thus, other dragon types will plow through most of your team with strong Draco Meteors. I think Dragonite should be replaced with either a Scizor or a Metagross, your team could use some more physical offense. Scizor gives you extra assurance against opposing Cresselia, but Metagross can run a Lum Berry and have Cress use Swagger on him for big power. Which road you choose it up to you.

    - The EVs focus purely on speed and offense, and little in the way of bulk. This article is a long read, but it's worth it: http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/making-good-ev-spreads/

    - Focus Blast is an awful move to rely on because of how inaccurate it is. It's an okay coverage move in single battles but way too risky in doubles. Politoed now gets Helping Hand, Encore, and Icy Wind, among other things. Although since you are going for a less bulky, more offensive build I would recommend Protect.

    That's all the stuff that jumped out at me. This looks like a rather 'beginner' team, so you have two options if you want to get better quickly: jump in on the next season of Battling 101 if you can (they have a VGC program in addition to Singles), and read some of the helpful beginner articles at this link: http://nuggetbridge.com/beginners/

    Hope I helped. Good luck =)
  3. Jirachee

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    Sep 24, 2010

    Your descriptions need to be improved. About 3 lines should be enough. Talk about the role of each Pokemon on your team, the reason why you picked them, etc. so the raters can actually know what they're rating. Read the RMT rules.

    Locking this for now, PM me with the improved descriptions and I'll unlock.
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