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Discussion in 'Past Format Discussion' started by Jellicent, Jan 27, 2013.
normal gem explosion can hurt i would say. but, dusclop or any ghost type can counter explosion
I always found a non-STAB, spread Earthquake from Metagross extremely underwhelming.
Trick and a Choice Band/Scarf is probably under appreciated on Metagross too.
Earthquake still eats large chunks of health from things like enemy metagrosses. I wouldn't say it's that underwhelming.
I always find it extremely difficult to use Metagross, because its movepool is just so incredibly vast that I find hard time deciding on what set I want to use. Having to choose between Earthquake, Zen Headbutt, and Meteor Mash is incredibly difficult for me, because you lose spread, Hitmontop/Amoonguss, or pure power coverage if you opt out of one of them. I try to use Band then so I can put them all on a set, but then I find I really would have liked Protect.
Metagross is definitely one of the best physical attackers in the meta however due to Clear Body providing immunity against the abundant Intimidate, but I personally can't find a solid usage for Metagross. Lum Berry Swagger is a possibility, but I hate using that because Swagger feels cheap and it just feels too boring.
Type: Rock / Fighting
Base Stats: 91 HP / 129 Atk / 90 Def / 72 SpA / 90 SpD / 108 Spe
With fantastic Attack, dual STAB, good Speed, and decent bulk, Terrakion is a definitely an offensive threat to prepare for in VGC. So, what are its bet sets, roles, teammates, and counters? Discuss anything and everything related to Terrakion in VGC~
Terrakion is definitely one of those Pokemon that's pretty difficult to prepare for, due to how many items and sets it can run: Focus Sash, Life Orb, Fighting Gem, the Beat Up set, etc. Rock Slide is almost always a given on Terra, but choosing between Sacred Sword and Close Combat can be difficult: Sacred Sword hits past stat boosts but is less powerful, while Close Combat can nuke a surprising amount of things but leaves Terrakion more frail. Protect is almost always on every set too (sometimes Quick Guard), but the final moveslot can be variable: Swords Dance, X-Scissor (my preferred choice), Earthquake, etc. The metagame shifts has actually given Terrakion a better time too, as most Thundurus don't run max speed anymore, letting Terrakion smack them hard with Rock Slide.
Intimidate doesn't cripple Terrakion as much as other physical attackers, but is still a big problem he has. Scizor and Metagross are pretty good counters as Bullet Punch hurts Terrakion very much. Cresselia is also another obvious counter.
Anyways, those are my thoughts. Good Pokemon.
Durant is a counter, higher speed and iron head. For terracott, amoonguss with rate powder.
Type: Grass / Fighting
Base Stats: 60 HP / 130 Atk / 80 Def / 60 SpA / 60 SpD / 70 Spe
Abilities: Effect Spore / Poison Heal / Technician
With a great base 130 Attack, Technician-boosted Mach Punch and Bullet Seed, and access to the rare Spore, Breloom manages to fill some key niches in VGC. So, what are its best roles, sets, counters, and teammates? Everything about Breloom is up for discussion~
Liepard Breloom combo that's been taking over the meta lately, Fake out, and encore support from Liepard helps Breloom get off a few spores and puts your opponent at a disadvantage right away if they aren't ready for it
Breloom also pairs really nicely with Volcarona (and any other water type) the opponent usually has to choose between having gone of their mons put to sleep or Volcarona getting a QD up. Now that I think about it, liepard could be a nice 3rd member to make a top moth style combo too, or pair with breloom
Togekiss can let breloom spore safely with follow me, then spam bullet seed and Mach punch.
breloom's 'alright', but i can't say i've had much trouble with it courtesy of its frailty, 70 base speed and intimidate. part of a well-oiled team includes multiple checks to amoonguss, and thanks to spore and similar typing, teams can easily deal with breloom. i kind of like it, but it's pretty easy to work around. here's the spread i used:
breloom @ focus sash
120 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 132 Spe
speed EVs outspeed cress and some rotom-a. you could run more speed for the speed creep, but i wouldn't recommend running 252 speed.
e: here's mine :) https://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=3852113 (i meant to name it 'kangashroom', but thats 11 characters)
Breloom is one of those Pokemon I just flat-out hate to face, because in the hands of great players he's nearly unstoppable. As Lucariojr said, Breloom has enough speed to instantly put to sleep Cress, Rotom-A, and other mid-speed tier Pokemon, and the Focus Sash allows him to live a hit from a faster threat and then Spore them. Technician Bullet Seed has also completely ended using Rindo Gastrodon in my testing, because of the multi-hit nature. Sand and Hail are good ways of dealing with Breloom, as they eliminate its Sash and allow the partner to easily pick on its frail defenses.
I'm trying to use Breloom but I'm having a pretty hard time around him. Been practicing with R Inanimate's Winter Regionals team which features Life Orb Breloom, but I feel like Focus Sash is the better item about 80% of the time.
tldr: the new Breloom definitely is leaving an impact on the meta, but will probably never be the hugest threat around like Cresselia or Metagross.
Biggest issue with Breloom (in my limited experience using it) is that so many things resist both STABs and it's vulnerable to Intimidate spam. The fast sleep is great but if Breloom or its partner can't muster enough offense to take advantage of those sleep turns, it's all for naught. Quick wakeups are the bane of a Breloom user, as are two hit Bullet Seeds.
Running bulk instead of max speed is not a bad idea. Most people probably assume a Breloom is max speed upon seeing it for the first time anyway.
Type: Water / Grass
Base Stats: 80 HP / 70 Atk / 70 Def / 90 SpA / 100 SpD / 70 Spe
Ability: Swift Swim / Rain Dish / Own Tempo
With two great abilities in Swift Swim and Rain Dish, Ludicolo seems custom-made for rain teams. So, what do you find are its best roles, sets, teammates, counters, etc.? Anything about Ludicolo in VGC is up for discussion this week~
hey, don't have enough time for a long analysis of Ludi, but I'll contribute a little to get a discussion going. I like Ludi as a fast, offensive variant or a really bulky SubSeed set. I find that Heatran, Rotom-H, Thundurus and Terrakion make really good teammates for Ludicolo. really, any Pokemon weak to gastrodon and rotom-w enjoy it. Any specially bulky mon can counter Ludicolo pretty well. Also, kingdra outspeeds it and can fire off HH LO dracos at it. empoleon also makes for a good check, as it can wall it, but can't do much damage back either :/
Type: Bug / Steel
Base Stats: 70 HP / 130 Atk / 100 Def / 55 SpA / 80 SpD / 65 Spe
Ability: Swarm / Technician / Light Metal
With solid typing, high Attack, and powerful priority, Scizor fits in nicely on a variety of teams. So, what are its best sets, teammates, counters, and niches in VGC? Anything and everything about Scizor in VGC is up for discussion~
welp, this is awkward that I was the only one to post about Ludi xP. Almost everybody uses Cybertrom's Swords Dance Scizor. Nice counters are Thundurus, Jellicent, Chandelure, Gyarados and most other Water and Fire types that resist Bug and Steel. However, this makes TTar, Chadelure, Thundurus, Terrakion and Rotom-W great partners for it! It is great at sweeping teams after getting a SD up!
i don't like scizor anymore since eveyone uses hp fire cress and it really can't take a hit on the special side (which is pretty much all that matters nowadays) outside of resisted draco meteors. i do like how it gives feint support and nice priority though, as well as having a fairly diverse movepool with cool tech options like acrobatics.
A nifty trick used by huy ha was to use an occa berry with natural gift. It gives a 60 BP fire type attack, boosted by technician to give 90 BP, to catch opposing scizors off guard
A nifty trick used by user: AuraRayquaza was to necrobump the thread. -_-
I might have t use that.... something for me to do for 6 gen VGC..