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Project Victim of the Week
- Thread starter Aragorn the King
- Start date
Check: DD Zard X
Counter: Mega Altaria
Counter: Mega Altaria
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Mega Pinsir
Tornadus-T
Tornadus-T
Check:
Roserade (-Magic-)
Counter:
Mega Venusaur (GnralLao)
Roserade (-Magic-)
Counter:
Mega Venusaur (GnralLao)
Mega Pinsir
Dragalge
Dragalge
Thanks guys for all the votes! :)
The results are:
AV Tangrowth
Checks: Mega Pinsir (littlelucario) | Volcarona (Tressed) | Roserade (-Magic-)
Counters: Mega Venusaur (GnralLao) | DDD Mega Altaria (p2) | Mega Heracross (Twix)
Week 94: Calm Mind Latios
Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Roost
The results are:
AV TangrowthChecks: Mega Pinsir (littlelucario) | Volcarona (Tressed) | Roserade (-Magic-)
Counters: Mega Venusaur (GnralLao) | DDD Mega Altaria (p2) | Mega Heracross (Twix)
Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Roost
Attachments
Counter
Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 16 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
Due to its phenomenal bulk and defensive typing, Mega Scizor can take up to a +2 Draco Meteor with relative ease, although if played right, Latios should never get a chance to get there. Having access to Roost, it is able to heal off any damage it may have taken. From there, it is free to set up Swords Dances with little fear, possibly being able to sweep the opposing team. There's always the option OHKO Latios back at any time with Knock Off after Life Orb damage as well.
Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 16 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Knock Off
Due to its phenomenal bulk and defensive typing, Mega Scizor can take up to a +2 Draco Meteor with relative ease, although if played right, Latios should never get a chance to get there. Having access to Roost, it is able to heal off any damage it may have taken. From there, it is free to set up Swords Dances with little fear, possibly being able to sweep the opposing team. There's always the option OHKO Latios back at any time with Knock Off after Life Orb damage as well.
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Scizor: 117-138 (34.1 - 40.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 58-69 (16.9 - 20.1%) -- possible 5HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Scizor: 233-274 (67.9 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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84 Atk Mega Scizor Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 254-300 (84.9 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 58-69 (16.9 - 20.1%) -- possible 5HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 176 SpD Mega Scizor: 233-274 (67.9 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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84 Atk Mega Scizor Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 254-300 (84.9 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
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Cheryl.
Celesteela is Life
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Heal Bell
COUNTER
Unaware Clefable can wall Latios easily thanks to Unaware ignoring CM boosts. It can also set up on Latios as well nicely as well, as Psyshock is only a 3HKO.
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 149-177 (37.9 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 182-216 (60.8 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latios: 182-216 (60.8 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Infernal
Banned deucer.
Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Superpower
- Crunch
Tyranitar has always been one of Latios' arch enemies, and for good reason. With a Choice Scarf, Tyranitar is faster and able to switch in on anything Latios can do. From there, it can proceed to KO the eon twin with Crunch or use Pursuit to trap and completely remove Latios from a match. The removal of Latios can pave the way for common partners like Specs Keldeo or Charizard-Y to go wild, and there are few Pokemon able to perform this trapping role as effectively and reliably. I'd classify this as a counter because Tyranitar can switch in and always win with Crunch. Be careful though because assuming SR is up, Latios can potentially stay in on a predicted Pursuit and have a small chance to KO Tyranitar with either a +1 Draco Meteor or two consecutive Draco Meteor's on the switch in. Some calcs below:
Draco Meteor vs Tyranitar: 54.2 - 63.9%
-1 Draco Meteor vs Tyranitar: 35.7 - 42.8%
+1 Draco Meteor vs Tyranitar: 80.3 - 95.3% - 50% chance to KO after SR
Pursuit vs Latios: 54.1 - 64.2%
Crunch vs Latios: 107 - 127%
-1 Draco Meteor vs Tyranitar: 35.7 - 42.8%
+1 Draco Meteor vs Tyranitar: 80.3 - 95.3% - 50% chance to KO after SR
Pursuit vs Latios: 54.1 - 64.2%
Crunch vs Latios: 107 - 127%
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Jirachi: COUNTER
Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Protect
Jirachi can switches in any latios' moves. Body Slam can be used to spread paralysis. Wish-protect for recovery.
0 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 103-123 (34.4 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Jirachi Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 73-87 (24.4 - 29%) -- 99.7% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Jirachi: 101-121 (25 - 29.9%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Body Slam
- Wish
- Protect
Jirachi can switches in any latios' moves. Body Slam can be used to spread paralysis. Wish-protect for recovery.
0 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 103-123 (34.4 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Jirachi Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 73-87 (24.4 - 29%) -- 99.7% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Jirachi: 101-121 (25 - 29.9%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Toxic
- Protect
- Stealth Rock
Heatran resists all Stab latios, can Toxic it, can protect themselves (really boring xD)
here some calcs:
- 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 95-113 (24.6 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
- 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 82-96 (21.2 - 24.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
- 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 82-96 (21.2 - 24.8%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Bisharp @ Assault Vest
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 192 HP / 220 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
Everyone's favorite chess piece is back, doing what it does best in harassing the Latis. Standard sets don't take Draco too kindly, and while Bisharp can outspeed or catch Latios on the switch, Sucker's low PP can make the scenario an unfortunate guessing game. With an Assault Vest equipped, Bisharp can take a Draco better and reliably come in on Latios more than once. A +1 Draco does little in the event that Bisharp forgoes Sucker and chooses the all-around safer Knock Off. +2 Draco fails to OHKO Bisharp after Rocks. AV Bisharp also has a small chance to avoid the 2HKO on Hidden Power Fire and Earthquake, if Latios so chooses to run them. This, of course, is if Latios isn't Sucker Punched to oblivion.
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 123-146 (38.5 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 185-218 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 246-290 (77.1 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Hidden Power Fire vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 153-182 (47.9 - 57%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO
0- Atk Life Orb Latios Earthquake vs. 192 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 156-185 (48.9 - 57.9%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
Knock Off and Sucker Punch are a OHKO
220+ Atk Bisharp Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 168-198 (56.1 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 185-218 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 246-290 (77.1 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Hidden Power Fire vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Bisharp: 153-182 (47.9 - 57%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO
0- Atk Life Orb Latios Earthquake vs. 192 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 156-185 (48.9 - 57.9%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO
Knock Off and Sucker Punch are a OHKO
220+ Atk Bisharp Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 168-198 (56.1 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip (or whatever utility move not named Thunder Wave you want to use)
Role: Counter
Ferrothorn, being a Steel type, resists both Draco Meteor and Psyshock and is able to 2HKO Latios with STAB Gyro Ball, while Draco Meteor wouldn't be able to 3HKO unboosted even if it didn't lower Special Attack. And because it does, Ferrothorn has a much easier time switching in.
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Latios: 184-217 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 105-125 (29.8 - 35.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Counter
Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave
- Magnet Rise
- Play Rough
Klefki is immune to Draco Meteor and resistant to Psyshock, allowing it to switch in, paralyze Latios, then 2HKO it with Play Rough.
It has trouble switching in if Latios is at +3, and has to rely on parahax to survive if it acquires any more boosts, but this scenario is incredibly rare.
Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave
- Magnet Rise
- Play Rough
Klefki is immune to Draco Meteor and resistant to Psyshock, allowing it to switch in, paralyze Latios, then 2HKO it with Play Rough.
It has trouble switching in if Latios is at +3, and has to rely on parahax to survive if it acquires any more boosts, but this scenario is incredibly rare.
Offensive:
0 Atk Klefki Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 194-230 (64.8 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Defensive:
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 66-78 (20.7 - 24.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 97-116 (30.5 - 36.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 130-153 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+3 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 162-191 (50.9 - 60%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+4 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 195-230 (61.3 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+5 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 226-268 (71 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+6 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 259-305 (81.4 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Klefki Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 194-230 (64.8 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Defensive:
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 66-78 (20.7 - 24.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 97-116 (30.5 - 36.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 130-153 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+3 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 162-191 (50.9 - 60%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+4 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 195-230 (61.3 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+5 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 226-268 (71 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+6 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 259-305 (81.4 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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Name: Metagross
Status: Counter
Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake / Zen Headbutt
AV Metagross resists Latios's dual STABs and can 2HKO back with Meteor Mash + Bullet Punch. It can also checkmate Latios with Pursuit, eliminating it, taking into account Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil.
Status: Counter
Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake / Zen Headbutt
AV Metagross resists Latios's dual STABs and can 2HKO back with Meteor Mash + Bullet Punch. It can also checkmate Latios with Pursuit, eliminating it, taking into account Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil.
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Assault Vest Metagross: 90-107 (24.7 - 29.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 34-40 (9.3 - 10.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever
160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 187-222 (62.1 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
160+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 84-100 (27.9 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
160+ Atk Metagross Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 224-264 (74.4 - 87.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and one round of Life Orb recoil
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross: 34-40 (9.3 - 10.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever
160+ Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 187-222 (62.1 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
160+ Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 84-100 (27.9 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
160+ Atk Metagross Pursuit (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 224-264 (74.4 - 87.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and one round of Life Orb recoil
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p2
Banned deucer.
Doublade as a Counter because all other good ones were taken
Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball / Shadow Claw
- Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Doublade's great defensive typing and decent special bulk allows it to function as a pretty solid Latios counter. Gyro Ball or Shadow Claw + Toxic enable Doublade to maintain offensive pressure on Latios so that it cannot setup on Doublade easily and RestTalk serves as passable recovery.
4 Atk Doublade Gyro Ball (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 184-217 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Doublade Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 200-236 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Doublade: 100-118 (31 - 36.6%) -- possible 7HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Doublade: 149-177 (46.2 - 54.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball / Shadow Claw
- Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Doublade's great defensive typing and decent special bulk allows it to function as a pretty solid Latios counter. Gyro Ball or Shadow Claw + Toxic enable Doublade to maintain offensive pressure on Latios so that it cannot setup on Doublade easily and RestTalk serves as passable recovery.
4 Atk Doublade Gyro Ball (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 184-217 (61.1 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Doublade Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 200-236 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Doublade: 100-118 (31 - 36.6%) -- possible 7HKO
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Doublade: 149-177 (46.2 - 54.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
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CHECK
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit
Weavile can OHKO Latios should it want to stay in for whatever reason or safely trap it once Lati is down to ~70% with Pursuit. Can also play 50/50s with Weavile being immune to Psyshock.
Calcs:
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 198-234 (66.2 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Icicle Crash
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit
Weavile can OHKO Latios should it want to stay in for whatever reason or safely trap it once Lati is down to ~70% with Pursuit. Can also play 50/50s with Weavile being immune to Psyshock.
Calcs:
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Pursuit vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 198-234 (66.2 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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