Weight-based Mechanics in ASB - Recoil Moves + Heavy Metal

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Well, after a page or two of discussion, it is time to see what will be the results. These are the BAP of the moves in question (namely, Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, Head Charge, Giga Impact, and Head Smash)
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Voting will be split into 2 parts as per this post. So now on to the first...

Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
No
Yes, by 1 EN
Yes, by 2 EN

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
Yes
No

Tag time. Texas Cloverleaf, Its_A_Random, Dogfish44, akela, Pwnemon, SubwayJ.
 
Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
Yes, by 1 EN

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
No
 
Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
No
Yes, by 1 EN
Yes, by 2 EN

Rock Head really isn't the pressing issue - I'm more concerned b the general high BAP of the recoil moves.

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
No

For the time being, Brave Bird and Volt Tackle notably need to be balanced in a different manner of values.
 
Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
No
Yes, by 2 EN
Yes, by 1 EN

EN cost might be something, but to my memory, Technician never caused an EN KO by itself, so doing the same to Rock Head really doesn't fix much.

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
Yes

Despite the discussion being sparked due to specific abusers, I think consistency when it comes to balancing gives a simpler outlook on move mechanics in general.
 
Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
No
Yes, by 1 EN
Yes, by 2 EN

Rock Head really isn't the pressing issue - I'm more concerned b the general high BAP of the recoil moves.

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
Yes
 
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Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
No
Yes, by 1 EN
Yes, by 2 EN

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
Yes
 
Rock Head is not going to boost EN no matter what I vote here.

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
No

They might have the same Base Power and Accuracy ingame but forcing them all to be the same in ASB causes a lot of collateral damage down the track if all of these moves were to be nerfed. I do not like the idea of forcing them to be all the same; I feel that nerfing individual moves on a case by case basis is better as it reduces the collateral damage resulting from nerfing one of said moves. Furthermore Double-Edge has a lot of heavy users (Snorlax, Groudon and others) and that formula is like the way it is for a reason. I am not trying to force my views on everyone here; I am merely justifying my vote and giving my five cents worth on the matter.
 
Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
No

Given this is a 4-3 vote I would table it for revisiting upon conclusion of this topic.
 
Should Rock Head increase EN cost of recoil moves?
Majority No

Should Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Volt Tackle, Double-Edge, and Head Charge have the same BAP and EN cost?
Majority No

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So now we'll only be voting on BAP changes on moves brought up in the Discussion thread.

What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
No changes (10+WC)
8+WC
10+CEILING(WC/2)
10+CEILING(WC/1.5)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
No changes (11+WC)
11+CEILING(WC/2)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))
12+CEILING(WC/2)
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Retagging Texas Cloverleaf, Pwnemon, akela, Dogfish44, Its_A_Random, SubwayJ.
 
What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
10+CEILING(WC/2)
10+CEILING(WC/1.5)
8+WC
No changes (10+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
11+CEILING(WC/2)
No changes (11+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))
12+CEILING(WC/2)
15
 
What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
10+CEILING(WC/2)
8+WC
10+CEILING(WC/1.5)
No changes (10+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
No changes (11+WC)
11+CEILING(WC/2)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))
12+CEILING(WC/2)
15
 
What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
10+CEILING(WC/2)
10+CEILING(WC/1.5)
8+WC
No changes (10+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
No changes (11+WC)
11+CEILING(WC/2)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))
12+CEILING(WC/2)
15
 
What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
10+CEILING(WC/2)
10+CEILING(WC/1.5)
8+WC
No changes (10+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
11+CEILING(WC/2)
No changes (11+WC)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))
12+CEILING(WC/2)
15
 
What should be done with the BAP of Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, and Head Charge?
Majority 10+CEILING(WC/2)

What should be done with the BAP of Volt Tackle?
Majority 11+CEILING(WC/2)

What should be done with the BAP of Giga Impact and Head Smash?
Majority No changes (12+CEILING(WC/1.5))

NDA authors may apply the necessary changes to Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Brave Bird, Head Charge and Volt Tackle. Otherwise, part 3 of the Voting incoming.
 
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Revisiting because of part 3 on Weight-Based Move mechanics. Time to see this to the end.

What should be done with Double-Edge's BAP?
9+(WC/2)
No changes (10+(WC/1.5))

What should be done with the BAP Body Slam and Bounce?
7+(WC/2)
No changes (7+(WC/2.5))

What should be done with Heavy Metal the Ability?
No changes
Implement the original proposal
Implement Deck Knight's proposal

Tag time again. SubwayJ , Texas Cloverleaf , Its_A_Random , Dogfish44 , Pwnemon , akela .
 
My apologies for not getting to this sooner.

No changes (10+(WC/1.5))

No changes (7+(WC/2.5))

Implement the original proposal
 
No changes (10+(WC/1.5))

No changes (7+(WC/2.5))

Implement Deck Knight's proposal

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What should be done with Double-Edge's BAP?
Majority No changes (10+(WC/1.5))

What should be done with the BAP Body Slam and Bounce?
Majority No changes (7+(WC/2.5))

What should be done with Heavy Metal the Ability?
Majority Implement the original proposal


Delcattys rejoice, Bronzongs and Aggrons cry. NDA editors could get to work (mind if I get clearance for that until my Council term ends?)
 
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