They're certainly terrible, but if we're only going by usefulness (both in-game and competitively), then there have been far, far worse offenders than the Jigglypuff line.
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"Worst Pokémon Ever"
- Thread starter SapphSabre777
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Sunkern
A-Gentleman, we need two new pokemon, what should they be?
B-I think they should be grass types!
A-Alright.
C- Maybe, the pre-evolution shouldn't be that strong, but not that wea-
D-I HAVE AN IDEA!MAKE THE PRE EVOLUTION HAVE THE WORST BST (before gen 7) OF ALL POKEMON!
(A stares at D)
A-You're a GENIUS,D! Let's make this one of them!
I know this is obvious, but, come on! EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS POKEMON SUCKS! Its movepoll consists of almost only grass moves and normal moves! (The only 5 moves that are not this type are ok), Petlil and Liligant has a similar movepoll, but you know why it works? Because it consists mostly of special/status moves and Liligant's SPA is not 30.
Can it survive a hit? no, its HP is only 30
Can it attack? no, its attack is only 30
Can it be a wall? no, its defense is only 30
Can it use specially attack? no, its SPA is only 30
Can it survive special attacks? no, its SPD is only 30
Can it at least be fast? no, its speed is only 30
Spinda isn't that good of a pokemon, with its 360 BTS, but this is half a Spinda it has miserable 180 BST.
A-Gentleman, we need two new pokemon, what should they be?
B-I think they should be grass types!
A-Alright.
C- Maybe, the pre-evolution shouldn't be that strong, but not that wea-
D-I HAVE AN IDEA!MAKE THE PRE EVOLUTION HAVE THE WORST BST (before gen 7) OF ALL POKEMON!
(A stares at D)
A-You're a GENIUS,D! Let's make this one of them!
I know this is obvious, but, come on! EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS POKEMON SUCKS! Its movepoll consists of almost only grass moves and normal moves! (The only 5 moves that are not this type are ok), Petlil and Liligant has a similar movepoll, but you know why it works? Because it consists mostly of special/status moves and Liligant's SPA is not 30.
Can it survive a hit? no, its HP is only 30
Can it attack? no, its attack is only 30
Can it be a wall? no, its defense is only 30
Can it use specially attack? no, its SPA is only 30
Can it survive special attacks? no, its SPD is only 30
Can it at least be fast? no, its speed is only 30
Spinda isn't that good of a pokemon, with its 360 BTS, but this is half a Spinda it has miserable 180 BST.
Pyukumuku.
Two great abilities. One gives it a free Final Gambit and the other means it can't be set up on, and it has wonderful defensive stats.
Then the developers neglect to give it any attacks, making it easy Taunt bait unless you brought the unreliable Bide or Counter to the fight.
Two great abilities. One gives it a free Final Gambit and the other means it can't be set up on, and it has wonderful defensive stats.
Then the developers neglect to give it any attacks, making it easy Taunt bait unless you brought the unreliable Bide or Counter to the fight.
I can't agree more. I caught that thing early in the game thinking it was going to be good. Was hoping for it to reach a good design upon evolving to its last stage... But nope...
Crabominable at least has an interesting design backstory going for it. It's a yeti crab (a deep sea crab in real life) only obtainable by going to the top of a high peak in the Alola region (c.f. Mauna Kea, the tallest mountain in the world with its base far below sea level, in Hawaii); the implication is that it's reached it's apex, literally and figuratively, as a climber.
Crabominable is the worst Pokemon I've ever seen.
I wasn't a massive fan of Crawbraler personally, but I wasn't against the idea of a boxing themed crab design. I really thought it couldn't get any worse.
It looks like a Mcdonalds Happy Meal toy for some terrible animated movie that somehow ended up as a Pokemon design...
Also first post, yay!
I wasn't a massive fan of Crawbraler personally, but I wasn't against the idea of a boxing themed crab design. I really thought it couldn't get any worse.
It looks like a Mcdonalds Happy Meal toy for some terrible animated movie that somehow ended up as a Pokemon design...
Also first post, yay!
To each their own, but I personally find Crabominable to be hilarious. I would've preferred it to be faster, or at least evolve much sooner than at the League's doorstep, but it's far from the worst. That dubious honor falls to Lumineon and Basculin, who both feel like their only purpose is to fill space in the Pokedex. I'm almost convinced that Game Freak forgot Lumineon even exists when they were deciding what Pokemon should receive buffs to a stat or so in Sun and Moon despite including it as part of the Alola dex, as it could stand to hit harder than a wet noodle.
Basculin feels too gimmicky and pointless to me. It's like Gamefreak sat down and decided to make a Pokemon that comes in different colours again, then forgot all about it and just cobbled together a fish at the last moment.
It's a shame that there are forgettable pre-evolutions to Pokemon that are just as forgettable because neither may as well not exist. I think they just wanted Sinnoh to have its own regional fish, though personally I think there hasn't been a good regional fish since Carvanha/Sharpedo.
Also fun fact: When I was a kid and first saw the Sinnoh dex in a magazine, I thought Finneon evolved into Kyogre for some reason. I guess it does kinda look like a baby, off coloured Kyogre.
Jigglypuff can at least put things to sleep to make them easier to catch. That's gotta give it a major in-game boost imo.
Ledian is a horrible Pokemon.
Johto has an unusually high amount of Trash Mons, from Sunflora to Bellossom to Aipom before Gen 4 to Unown.
Unown is still the worst Pokemon at battling in my opinion, but because it's a given and because this thread wants us to be creative, I will continue.
Ledian's stats are what screw it over. The only notable stats are its average Speed and its 110 Sp. Defense, and by the standards of the OR/AS power creep, that isn't even as impressive. 110 Sp. Defense also means nothing when you have no HP to back it up, a horrible defensive typing, and a 4x Stealth Rock weakness. Ledian still finds itself outspeed by a fair amount of things and because it has zero offenses, all it has been able to do in competitive is attempt to pull off extraordinarily niche Baton Pass and Dual Screen sets.
It's such a shame, because I really want to like Ledian. I'd love to use this thing viably, it's design is great. Ledian is not my pick for the worst Pokemon of all time. It has a good design and can at least try to pull something off in competitive. The biggest thing is just how disappointing it is. What are its stats? Why are these a thing? In a cruel twist of fate, Ledian got Air Slash, meaning Game Freak hasn't forgotten about it. This means that they actually think there's something worth not buffing Ledian for. It has no useful abilities, and if it does, its stats contradict them. Its typing is horrible and at this point, just a snore to see.
Ledian will tragically forever be eclipsed, and for that, I feel legitimate sorrow for the Five Star Pokemon.
In regards to what it isn't, I think Ledian is tragically one of the worst fully evolved Pokemon that evolves from an LC Pokemon. Ledyba isn't any better either.
Johto has an unusually high amount of Trash Mons, from Sunflora to Bellossom to Aipom before Gen 4 to Unown.
Unown is still the worst Pokemon at battling in my opinion, but because it's a given and because this thread wants us to be creative, I will continue.
Ledian's stats are what screw it over. The only notable stats are its average Speed and its 110 Sp. Defense, and by the standards of the OR/AS power creep, that isn't even as impressive. 110 Sp. Defense also means nothing when you have no HP to back it up, a horrible defensive typing, and a 4x Stealth Rock weakness. Ledian still finds itself outspeed by a fair amount of things and because it has zero offenses, all it has been able to do in competitive is attempt to pull off extraordinarily niche Baton Pass and Dual Screen sets.
It's such a shame, because I really want to like Ledian. I'd love to use this thing viably, it's design is great. Ledian is not my pick for the worst Pokemon of all time. It has a good design and can at least try to pull something off in competitive. The biggest thing is just how disappointing it is. What are its stats? Why are these a thing? In a cruel twist of fate, Ledian got Air Slash, meaning Game Freak hasn't forgotten about it. This means that they actually think there's something worth not buffing Ledian for. It has no useful abilities, and if it does, its stats contradict them. Its typing is horrible and at this point, just a snore to see.
Ledian will tragically forever be eclipsed, and for that, I feel legitimate sorrow for the Five Star Pokemon.
In regards to what it isn't, I think Ledian is tragically one of the worst fully evolved Pokemon that evolves from an LC Pokemon. Ledyba isn't any better either.
Isn't it based on a superhero? I'd love to use it but it doesn't seem very usable.
If it is, Bulbapedia doesn't mention it.
It is completely unusable.
They nerfed Parental Bond from 50% to 25% for the second hit. It's not much, but it does knock it down a peg.
To me, it has to be Cosmog and Cosmoem.
They have a few cool things going on, to be honest. The whole "proto universe" concept, the fact they are the first legendary evolution line, a split line no less. Cosmoem being tiny but extremely heavy like the universe was before the Big Bang. Overall, nice concept.
But the fact that you have to go through 53 (is that right?) levels of utter passivity to get your cover legend is just so needlessly frustrating to me. I get exp. share and all but it just seems too much for me.
They have a few cool things going on, to be honest. The whole "proto universe" concept, the fact they are the first legendary evolution line, a split line no less. Cosmoem being tiny but extremely heavy like the universe was before the Big Bang. Overall, nice concept.
But the fact that you have to go through 53 (is that right?) levels of utter passivity to get your cover legend is just so needlessly frustrating to me. I get exp. share and all but it just seems too much for me.
But you get a cover legendary anyway for free, Cosmog is just the "spare." That and since Gen 7 uses Gen 5's exp system, it really only takes about one Elite Four run to get it nearly to 53 (with a lucky egg and a rainbow bean used for their bonuses).
...wait, have you played Sun/Moon yet? I feel I'm accidentally spoiling something for you.
Uhm... I may be doing something wrong, but I'm sure it generally takes two Elite Four runs to take a Pokemon to over Level 50 with a Lucky Egg and a Rainbow Bean.
Well, it depends on the pokemon (since they all have different leveling curves). But come to think of it I may have done a battle buffet run or two before going to the elite four, can't remember for sure.
I just don't remember it being that hard to get to 50. Getting to over 50 is a pain to be sure, but just 50 is okay.
Oh I really like your avatar. I wish I'd have thought of doing that, Gurren Lagann is the best!
Cosmog and Cosmoem have Slow curves according to Bulbapedia, so it may take three runs, but two tends to be enough.
Of course, provided you are not leveling up multiple Pokemon. Given there's only one Lucky Egg...
That post was made in 2014, pre ORAS. Mega Kangaskhan still did 50% on the second hit.
Okay, now I'm curious: how bad are Cosmog and Cosmoen?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Oh, that is just hilarious! Now we know Game Freak has been listening to us, about how we complained having Lucario, and then Latio/as handed to us!!!
Because they got really creative in making us have to earn our legendaries! This makes Magikarp look like a cake walk in comparison!!!