Not exactly. Assume a 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Careful / Calm spread for both, and you get these calcs:2. Stats. Surprisingly, Meowstic actually wins this one. Its superior HP makes up for its slightly inferior defensive stats, and it has higher special attack and significantly higher speed. +1 for the kitty.
Echoing these points, would be redundant to present them again.Mega-Houndoom for A+
Arch and Yellow Cheese have already mentioned that Mega-Houndoom's Speed is a majority of the reasoning behind keeping Mega-Houndoom out of S-Rank. However, as I've used it, I've found that it heavily relies on being set up to do any decent form of damage. If it's not set up, it's no more threatening than Chandelure, something anyone who played BW is already heavily accustomed to. I personally hate running Sludge Bomb on my Mega-Houndoom, seeing that it's only good for one Pokemon in specific, and Destiny Bond without Prankster is kinda underwhelming, as most things I'd find myself using it against would typically be scarfed, mildly defeating the purpose. Klefki existing is also a huge thorn in Mega-Houndoom's side as well; Prankster Thunder Wave, Spikes, and Light Screen all severely hurt Mega-Houndoom, as all three detriment it one way or another (slows it down severely, makes it more vulnerable to weaker revenge killers / Sucker Punch maybe, and "weakens" its special attacks).
Klefki for A-
Nidoqueen / Nidoking, as well as Electric-types, Florges / Umbreon, Forretress, and Defog users are way too common right now for Klefki, who's lost access to Swagger, to find itself truly succeeding in Underused right now. It's still an amazing Spiker and Screens Setter, but it cannot do both at the same time currently, since the metagame is really prepared (read overhyping and doing anything possible to stop it) for Klefki at the moment. If you run a Screens set with Spikes and Thunder Wave, as most if not everybody has been, Klefki is extremely vulnerable to Taunt (I use Light Clay > Mental Herb) and lacks any staying power because of how quickly it can be worn down. In my honest opinion, Deoxys-D perfected the "end-all-be-all" hazards lead in BW, and Klefki tried - and failed - to fill those shoes. We overhyped it, and I'm really disappointed in how easily the metagame rolls over it right now.
While I'm here, I'm going to suggest we make one more change to S-Rank. Suicune for A+ Rank. Even as both a strong supporter and good user of Suicune (read Royalty's Suicune Check, Darmanitan), it's outdone by CM Slowbro, who doesn't have to rely on the gamble that is RestTalk to heal, and packs a second coverage move, allowing it to bypass opposing Crocune or CM Slowbro. The only advantage to using Suicune is that you also become "immune" to status, thanks to Rest, but Slack Off does the whole restoring HP then being able to do something after a whole lot better. At the same time, the metagame, or at least the higher ladder, is pretty well prepared for Suicune at the moment. Between the Electric or Grass-types and the Trick users, Suicune doesn't have a lot of staying power in the higher levels of contention. I'd also like to add that Slowbro should retain its S-Rank position (as the above logic and be applied both ways), as it's still an excellent Physical Tank.
The fuck? Has someone been watching Verlisify again or is this a joke?Klefki A -- great typing, prankster is always good, can actually use offensive sets in UU and do work with it
I've used Klefki as a rain setter for my rain team and it really is one of the best rain setters in UU.Echoing these points, would be redundant to present them again.
Klefki also has another nice roll it can fill. It has access to Priority rain dance, along with spikes and Thunder wave/ Screens It could be a pretty amazing supporter in that regard. Another thing to note is that it has really good synergy with Kingdra, forming a deadly pair when it can come in on a resisted hit and setup again. The item choice is up to you. I'd personally go with Damp Rock as Kingdra/ Insert Rain Dancer here really wont be taking many hits in the first place and would really love the extra 3 turns.
Maybe offensive is the wrong word, but CM Klefki fucked my shit up when I didn't expect it. It plays like CroCune.The fuck? Has someone been watching Verlisify again or is this a joke?
It just doesn't work. Klefki was not meant to sweep. Typing is nice but nothing stops opponents from just switching to a Ground/Fire type, or just something that resist the weak Draining Kiss. Suicune can pull this off because who uses physical Grass or Electric moves that can actually beat it 1v1? Nothing (in theory lol), except Rawst Berry Electivire that gets 2 crits. Everything runs Earthquake or Flare Blitz or something in this tier.Maybe offensive is the wrong word, but CM Klefki fucked my shit up when I didn't expect it. It plays like CroCune.
Of course it has more counters and it's not as good in general as Suicune, that's why he's not S rank. It's definitely usable tho. I just lost to it today at 1600 rating. You expect a support set so you don't plan for it, and then ggIt just doesn't work. Klefki was not meant to sweep. Typing is nice but nothing stops opponents from just switching to a Ground/Fire type, or just something that resist the weak Draining Kiss. Suicune can pull this off because who uses physical Grass or Electric moves that can actually beat it 1v1? Nothing (in theory lol), except Rawst Berry Electivire that gets 2 crits. Everything runs Earthquake or Flare Blitz or something in this tier.
I won't delete the whole thing, since most of it was pretty civil. In fact, your "rational argument" can be summed up in one of your previous posts, as it defends your positionThe fuck is that? I made great points. You can't delete my rational argument and then leave up posts like that that make random assumptions. At the very least, delete that post that says I lost to a mono attacking drain kiss Klefki. That's not what happened and it's fucking stupid that I can't explain my point or defend myself.
If you're gonna delete the argument, delete all of it.
The important part is bolded. However, similar to something like "Special Scizor" in OU, surprise factor can only get someone so far, and CM Klefki runs out of road in that department very quickly before it starts becoming more of a liability than useful. Now, this discussion needn't continue, so let's talk about something else now, shall we?Of course it has more counters and it's not as good in general as Suicune, that's why he's not S rank. It's definitely usable tho. I just lost to it today at 1600 rating. You expect a support set so you don't plan for it, and then gg
I would love to elaborate but lets wait for the mods to decide if that's allowed.
Anyway, Mega Houndoom is still a threat, it's just so easily beaten by things like Suicune or walled by Florges. (who still lives a +2 Sludge Bomb but can't OHKO with Moonblast without SR or prior damage) It unfortunately can't run all of Sludge Bomb, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp (which is actually not that bad) or for everyone who loves to run gimmicky moves that are fun but pretty bad, Snatch/Foul Play. Not saying it's bad, just not amazing.Next person to mention Offensive or CM Klefki I'm going to have kokoloko feed them to somebody.
And now you deleted my response to this? Yeah, best to save face. Don't want some random guy who makes a good point to look like he's smarter than the mod.I won't delete the whole thing, since most of it was pretty civil. In fact, your "rational argument" can be summed up in one of your previous posts, as it defends your positionand should have been the end of the discussion regardless. Here it is for your, and everyone's recollection:
The important part is bolded. However, similar to something like "Special Scizor" in OU, surprise factor can only get someone so far, and CM Klefki runs out of road in that department very quickly before it starts becoming more of a liability than useful. Now, this discussion needn't continue, so let's talk about something else now, shall we?
Good point? CM klefki is a gimick, nothing else you expect the support set and he sets up a CM ok gpod for, you now I just go into my darmanitan/victini and kill you with my fire STAB.And now you deleted my response to this? Yeah, best to save face. Don't want some random guy who makes a good point to look like he's smarter than the mod.