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This hub has material relating to the latest installment of Pokémon—XY. Announcements will be posted semi-frequently with news on game mechanics and data, as well as early tier developments. There are resources here to keep you informed on the latest in Pokemon XY.

Kangaskhanite Quick-Banned & Updates to Endless Battle Clause

Posted by Jukain on December 27, 2013

Following Gengarite, Kangaskhanite has been quick-banned from XY and Pokébank OU. From the official statement of the OU Council:

As we all know, Kangaskhan received a huge buff in X/Y with its Mega Stone. Its attack got pumped to a respectable base 125, its defenses were also improved, and its speed reached the above-average 100 base tier. The most valuable improvement it received though, was its new ability: Parental Bond. It allows the Pokémon to attack twice, with the second attack being half as powerful as the first one. Basically, Parental Bond acts like a free Choice Band boost, but without locking the user into one single attack. Also, Mega-Kangaskhan's new ability works wonderfully with attacks such as Power Up Punch (allowing Mega Kangaskhan to usually get 2 Attack boosts) and Seismic-Toss (which always inflicts a damage of 200 Hit Points to the opponent). Not to mention the ability to hit the opponent through their Substitute. Couple the above mentioned points with a close to perfect physical movepool (with access to coverage moves such as Fire Punch, Crunch and Earthquake) and priority in the form of Sucker Punch, and you have a Pokémon that's nearly impossible to counter or even revenge kill.

With these buffs, the raw power of its attacks, limits on teambuilding, and versatility (it can also run an effective Wish / Protect / Seismic Toss / Crunch defensive set), Mega Kangaskhan was deemed broken. The full announcement can be read here.

On a different note, Endless Battle Clause has been updated to include two new combinations. These are Leppa Berry + Recycle + Pain Split and Leppa Berry + Recycle + Fling. The former works almost identically to the first banned combination, using Pain Split to heal the opponent instead of a recovery move. It is available to Mew. The latter can only be used against defensive Pokémon that are unable to do much damage. Flinging a Leppa Berry increases the opponent's PP—it can be done infinitely with the help of Recycle whilst the user simply recovers back its health. Again, if you know of any strategies not yet banned under Endless Battle Clause, please report them to a tiering leader or a Smogon Mentor. The goal of this clause is to make sure the game is fair for everyone.

Endless Battle Clause

Posted by Jukain on December 18, 2013

As per the decision of the Smogon tiering leaders, a new clause call the Endless Battle Clause will be put into effect in all official Smogon tiers, as noted here. The goal of the clause is to ensure that strategies able to create an endless game—one that only ends when the opponent's Pokémon have all been PP stalled or he or she forfeits. Currently, this clause only encompasses the use of Leppa Berry, Recycle, Heal Pulse, Block/Mean Look/Spider Web, and a healing move (such as Recover or Softboiled) in the same moveset. This is how it works (writing provided by Hugendugen):

Fortunately only Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking, Blissey and Smeargle are legally able to use this combination (Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir and Gallade as well if you count Wish). To use the strategy, one of these will switch into a defensive Pokemon, or one unable to 2hko them, use Block and then PP stall the opponent with recovery and Leppa Berry + Recycle. Once the opponent begins to Struggle, the user can simply continue to Heal Pulse, with Leppa Berry + Recycle, until the opponent forfeits.

This clause for now specifically blocks this strategy, but any strategies determined to have the ability to cause an indefinite battle will be banned under this clause in the future. If you find any such strategies, please report them to a tiering leader! If you don't feel comfortable doing that, contact a Smogon Mentor and he or she will definitely address your concern.

Gengarite is being Considered for a Quickban

Posted by Jukain on November 21, 2013

Gengarite, which enables Gengar to transform into Mega Gengar, is currently up for discussion on the forums as a reference point for the OU Council to decide whether it will be given a quickban. Like in the cases of Blaziken and Deoxys-N, the Council, which consists of Aldaron, Haunter, M Dragon, McMeghan, and Nachos, would vote on whether or not to ban Gengarite. A simple majority (3/5) would secure a stress-free, simple ban. The Council has opened a discussion here where you can get your voice heard. If you would like to help sway the view of the Council in this controversial vote, then post!

Gengarite is under quickban consideration primarily because of its ability, Shadow Tag, which traps the opposing Pokémon in. This can have highly disurptive effects, allowing teammates troubled by certain walls to sweep due to their removal. The topic of debate is primarily whether this disruption is so significant that it is unhealthy for OU. Points of contention include the scope of its trapping abilities and limitations, which are the deciding factors in whether it should be quickbanned or not. Calls to wait for suspect testing proper have also been made. If you want to view high-quality discussion with points from both sides, check out this discussion in the Policy Review forum. In here, discussion is limited to badgeholders and select other members, so you can get the best possible perspective on the debate. In any case, no matter your views, share them and perhaps bring a few others over to your side!

Little Cup Projects

Posted by Jukain on November 18, 2013

The Little Cup XY forum has been open for a few weeks and numerous projects already dot the forum. These projects cover numerous aspects of the tier. Get on the forums and participate in them!

  • Victim of the Week gives a set of a specific Pokémon for posters to find checks and counters to. It aims to analyze and discover counters for said set.
  • Teambuilding: Cores in XY Little Cup provides a platform for posters to show off their best cores and discuss others'. The OP of the thread discusses the various types of cores, starting with the most basic and delving into more complex ones.
  • The Little Cup Threatlist thread aims to provide a comprehensive list of XY LC threats. Every Pokémon thought to be a threat is listed in the thread. Forum members may discuss and critique the entries for each threat as well as provide their thoughts on Pokémon that should or should not be listed.
  • The New/Creative Movesets thread is the place to post your favorite innovative sets. As long as they are tested, any moveset will be accepted. The thread is meant to be a place to show off your sets and view other ones you might want to try out!
  • The PS! Importable Movesets project aims to compile a group of formatted sets that can be put into Pokemon Showdown. Post your sets and try out ones others have posted in the linked thread.
  • The Sample XY Teams project is meant to provide a resource for new users whom may have difficulty picking up the tier due to issues creating an effective team. Post your teams and try out those others have posted for your use!

These projects provide a small glimpse into the many great things going on in the XY LC forum right now. Check it out here! Expert players post there on a regular basis; you will learn more there about the tier than almost anywhere else.

XY Battle Mechanics: 11/17/13

Posted by Jukain

Many developments have occurred in the research forum over the past few days. Get the latest scoop on game mechanics right here!

  • Protect and Detect no longer block Roar and Whirlwind. - popeMonniac
  • Knock Off activates Weakness Policy before knocking it off - Stellar
  • If a Pokémon gains a new item after receiving an Unburden boost, the boost is removed. - popeMonniac
  • Flying-types are not vulnerable to Spikes in Inverse Battles - Lord Jesseus
  • Flower Veil works on the Pokémon with the ability. - sb879
  • Parting Shot still switches the user out even if the stat drops do not occur, is a sound-based, non-contact move, and is completely blocked by Protect. - sb879
  • The ability Competitive raises Special Attack two stages when activated—not two as stated on various sites, such as Serebii. - Onicon
  • Play Nice cannot miss and bypasses Substitutes. It is not a sound-based move and is bounced back by Magic Bounce. - sb879
  • Keen Eye does not ignore Sand Veil or Snow Cloak. - sb879
  • Run Away does not ignore trapping abilities or moves. - sb879
  • Chansey holding Lucky Punch has the chance of a critical hit by any of its moves doubled. - Stellar

Check back throughout the coming days for the latest in XY research!

Blaziken and Deoxys-N Quick-Banned from XY and PokéBank OU.

Posted by Jukain on November 13, 2013

The OU council has concluded that Blaziken and Deoxys-N, two Pokémon allowed initially in XY, will be quick-banned from both current XY OU and PokéBank OU. This means that there will be no public vote; the council has simply decided that this is necessary. Both have been preeminent threats since XY's inception, and are detrimental to the balance of the tier. Blaziken is simply a monster sweeper. Its power is unparalleled, being virtually impossible to counter or even check if the player lacks a Talonflame or Azumarill on his or her offensive team. Defensive teams can opt for Slowbro, defensive Gyrados, or in PokéBank Jellicent, but these Pokemon just are not cut out for any other team in this metagame. With the addition of Baton Pass to its movepool and thus the ability to passed the boost it gains from Swords Dance and Speed Boost, it can pass to a teammate that could handle it.

Deoxys-N is also way too powerful for OU to handle. Its dual 150 offenses in addition to Speed give it plenty of power to work with, and a devastating STAB Psycho Boost as well as a list of coverage moves that goes on for days make it virtually impossible to handle with any Pokemon—conventional or not. Deoxys-N was so obviously broken that there were some people who did not even realize it had been excluded from the initial banlist in the first place. It was not a Pokemon OU could adequately deal with in any way. Therefore, it was banned.

Actual suspect tests will likely not begin until PokéBank OU is released, so these will probably be the last bans until that time. Stay tuned for the latest XY!

XY Battle Mechanics: 11/17/13

Posted by Jukain

Many developments have occurred in the research forum over the past few days. Get the latest scoop on game mechanics right here!

  • Protect and Detect no longer block Roar and Whirlwind. - popeMonniac
  • Knock Off activates Weakness Policy before knocking it off - Stellar
  • If a Pokémon gains a new item after receiving an Unburden boost, the boost is removed. - popeMonniac
  • Flying-types are not vulnerable to Spikes in Inverse Battles - Lord Jesseus
  • Flower Veil works on the Pokémon with the ability. - sb879
  • Parting Shot still switches the user out even if the stat drops do not occur, is a sound-based, non-contact move, and is completely blocked by Protect. - sb879
  • The ability Competitive raises Special Attack two stages when activated—not two as stated on various sites, such as Serebii. - Onicon
  • Play Nice cannot miss and bypasses Substitutes. It is not a sound-based move and is bounced back by Magic Bounce. - sb879
  • Keen Eye does not ignore Sand Veil or Snow Cloak. - sb879
  • Run Away does not ignore trapping abilities or moves. - sb879
  • Chansey holding Lucky Punch has the chance of a critical hit by any of its moves doubled. - Stellar

Check back throughout the coming days for the latest in XY research!

Kangaskhanite Quick-Banned & Updates to Endless Battle Clause

Posted by Jukain on December 27, 2013

Following Gengarite, Kangaskhanite has been quick-banned from XY and Pokébank OU. From the official statement of the OU Council:

As we all know, Kangaskhan received a huge buff in X/Y with its Mega Stone. Its attack got pumped to a respectable base 125, its defenses were also improved, and its speed reached the above-average 100 base tier. The most valuable improvement it received though, was its new ability: Parental Bond. It allows the Pokémon to attack twice, with the second attack being half as powerful as the first one. Basically, Parental Bond acts like a free Choice Band boost, but without locking the user into one single attack. Also, Mega-Kangaskhan's new ability works wonderfully with attacks such as Power Up Punch (allowing Mega Kangaskhan to usually get 2 Attack boosts) and Seismic-Toss (which always inflicts a damage of 200 Hit Points to the opponent). Not to mention the ability to hit the opponent through their Substitute. Couple the above mentioned points with a close to perfect physical movepool (with access to coverage moves such as Fire Punch, Crunch and Earthquake) and priority in the form of Sucker Punch, and you have a Pokémon that's nearly impossible to counter or even revenge kill.

With these buffs, the raw power of its attacks, limits on teambuilding, and versatility (it can also run an effective Wish / Protect / Seismic Toss / Crunch defensive set), Mega Kangaskhan was deemed broken. The full announcement can be read here.

On a different note, Endless Battle Clause has been updated to include two new combinations. These are Leppa Berry + Recycle + Pain Split and Leppa Berry + Recycle + Fling. The former works almost identically to the first banned combination, using Pain Split to heal the opponent instead of a recovery move. It is available to Mew. The latter can only be used against defensive Pokémon that are unable to do much damage. Flinging a Leppa Berry increases the opponent's PP—it can be done infinitely with the help of Recycle whilst the user simply recovers back its health. Again, if you know of any strategies not yet banned under Endless Battle Clause, please report them to a tiering leader or a Smogon Mentor. The goal of this clause is to make sure the game is fair for everyone.

Endless Battle Clause

Posted by Jukain on December 18, 2013

As per the decision of the Smogon tiering leaders, a new clause call the Endless Battle Clause will be put into effect in all official Smogon tiers, as noted here. The goal of the clause is to ensure that strategies able to create an endless game—one that only ends when the opponent's Pokémon have all been PP stalled or he or she forfeits. Currently, this clause only encompasses the use of Leppa Berry, Recycle, Heal Pulse, Block/Mean Look/Spider Web, and a healing move (such as Recover or Softboiled) in the same moveset. This is how it works (writing provided by Hugendugen):

Fortunately only Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking, Blissey and Smeargle are legally able to use this combination (Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir and Gallade as well if you count Wish). To use the strategy, one of these will switch into a defensive Pokemon, or one unable to 2hko them, use Block and then PP stall the opponent with recovery and Leppa Berry + Recycle. Once the opponent begins to Struggle, the user can simply continue to Heal Pulse, with Leppa Berry + Recycle, until the opponent forfeits.

This clause for now specifically blocks this strategy, but any strategies determined to have the ability to cause an indefinite battle will be banned under this clause in the future. If you find any such strategies, please report them to a tiering leader! If you don't feel comfortable doing that, contact a Smogon Mentor and he or she will definitely address your concern.

Gengarite is being Considered for a Quickban

Posted by Jukain on November 21, 2013

Gengarite, which enables Gengar to transform into Mega Gengar, is currently up for discussion on the forums as a reference point for the OU Council to decide whether it will be given a quickban. Like in the cases of Blaziken and Deoxys-N, the Council, which consists of Aldaron, Haunter, M Dragon, McMeghan, and Nachos, would vote on whether or not to ban Gengarite. A simple majority (3/5) would secure a stress-free, simple ban. The Council has opened a discussion here where you can get your voice heard. If you would like to help sway the view of the Council in this controversial vote, then post!

Gengarite is under quickban consideration primarily because of its ability, Shadow Tag, which traps the opposing Pokémon in. This can have highly disurptive effects, allowing teammates troubled by certain walls to sweep due to their removal. The topic of debate is primarily whether this disruption is so significant that it is unhealthy for OU. Points of contention include the scope of its trapping abilities and limitations, which are the deciding factors in whether it should be quickbanned or not. Calls to wait for suspect testing proper have also been made. If you want to view high-quality discussion with points from both sides, check out this discussion in the Policy Review forum. In here, discussion is limited to badgeholders and select other members, so you can get the best possible perspective on the debate. In any case, no matter your views, share them and perhaps bring a few others over to your side!

Blaziken and Deoxys-N Quick-Banned from XY and PokéBank OU.

Posted by Jukain on November 13, 2013

The OU council has concluded that Blaziken and Deoxys-N, two Pokémon allowed initially in XY, will be quick-banned from both current XY OU and PokéBank OU. This means that there will be no public vote; the council has simply decided that this is necessary. Both have been preeminent threats since XY's inception, and are detrimental to the balance of the tier. Blaziken is simply a monster sweeper. Its power is unparalleled, being virtually impossible to counter or even check if the player lacks a Talonflame or Azumarill on his or her offensive team. Defensive teams can opt for Slowbro, defensive Gyrados, or in PokéBank Jellicent, but these Pokemon just are not cut out for any other team in this metagame. With the addition of Baton Pass to its movepool and thus the ability to passed the boost it gains from Swords Dance and Speed Boost, it can pass to a teammate that could handle it.

Deoxys-N is also way too powerful for OU to handle. Its dual 150 offenses in addition to Speed give it plenty of power to work with, and a devastating STAB Psycho Boost as well as a list of coverage moves that goes on for days make it virtually impossible to handle with any Pokemon—conventional or not. Deoxys-N was so obviously broken that there were some people who did not even realize it had been excluded from the initial banlist in the first place. It was not a Pokemon OU could adequately deal with in any way. Therefore, it was banned.

Actual suspect tests will likely not begin until PokéBank OU is released, so these will probably be the last bans until that time. Stay tuned for the latest XY!

Little Cup Projects

Posted by Jukain on November 18, 2013

The Little Cup XY forum has been open for a few weeks and numerous projects already dot the forum. These projects cover numerous aspects of the tier. Get on the forums and participate in them!

  • Victim of the Week gives a set of a specific Pokémon for posters to find checks and counters to. It aims to analyze and discover counters for said set.
  • Teambuilding: Cores in XY Little Cup provides a platform for posters to show off their best cores and discuss others'. The OP of the thread discusses the various types of cores, starting with the most basic and delving into more complex ones.
  • The Little Cup Threatlist thread aims to provide a comprehensive list of XY LC threats. Every Pokémon thought to be a threat is listed in the thread. Forum members may discuss and critique the entries for each threat as well as provide their thoughts on Pokémon that should or should not be listed.
  • The New/Creative Movesets thread is the place to post your favorite innovative sets. As long as they are tested, any moveset will be accepted. The thread is meant to be a place to show off your sets and view other ones you might want to try out!
  • The PS! Importable Movesets project aims to compile a group of formatted sets that can be put into Pokemon Showdown. Post your sets and try out ones others have posted in the linked thread.
  • The Sample XY Teams project is meant to provide a resource for new users whom may have difficulty picking up the tier due to issues creating an effective team. Post your teams and try out those others have posted for your use!

These projects provide a small glimpse into the many great things going on in the XY LC forum right now. Check it out here! Expert players post there on a regular basis; you will learn more there about the tier than almost anywhere else.