NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

[Tommy]

I don’t really want to lead a vote today ftr so everyone should just wagon who they think

 

[Tommy]

Ngl for a bit of N3 I was worried Duskfall wouldn't say anything to try and frame me as just gravedigger or some shit

then when you flipped I would be outted tbf, if that were the case and I was mafia

 

[joey]

Is neon ever going to flip

 

[joey]

Oh NVM I see the scenario you mean now

 

[Celever]

I would say it’s safe to say he didn’t, or if he did it’s not reliable concerning he seemed to actually be confused in thread at that time actively and misread, then voted (too late)

so it’s reasonable world he didn’t realise

I mean not this lol. I actively told people not to quickhammer (which made Hydro unvote) so I knew that I could’ve probably hammered it or at least put it at L-1. I didn’t want to do that, and then I got baited out by me saying “let’s not turbo someone who isn’t here” being met with straight up “vote Celever out tomorrow he is clearly JALMONT’s scum buddy” so I made a quick U-Turn. That level of certainty is uncommon.

 

[bluedoom]

The insistence on this doesn't really make sense to me, the only way I see it making sense is if you think the counterwagon, Shane, is Mafia. But by that point there would be 2 Mafia between me, tommy, laurel, Celever, and a fairy which makes it 2/5. And then Tommy is confirmed town, which does bring it down to 2/4 but it also means a literal conf town fits your voting criteria which is a problem I think

if shane is town I can see a 2/2 split on the wagons or a 4/1 split. Although if it is a 2-2 split it'd be hard for me to understand who'd be mafia here...flanders/hh?

 

[Celever]

if shane is town I can see a 2/2 split on the wagons or a 4/1 split. Although if it is a 2-2 split it'd be hard for me to understand who'd be mafia here...flanders/hh?

I still don’t understand why you’re solving based on s!shane while not pushing Shane

 

[joey]

if shane is town I can see a 2/2 split on the wagons or a 4/1 split. Although if it is a 2-2 split it'd be hard for me to understand who'd be mafia here...flanders/hh?

if scum knew the two top wagons were town (in this hypothetical) then there's no reason they need to be on the two lead wagons, they can put their votes anywhere knowing they don't have to vote to save one of their own

so I feel like your whole thing falls apart if shane is town which is why it concerns me that you are entirely basing your solve off of it

 

[joey]

feels like you are using that rigid criteria of the votes to push an agenda (voting into a pool of certain people) rather than actually having to make scumreads on people to vote them

 

[bluedoom]

if scum knew the two top wagons were town (in this hypothetical) then there's no reason they need to be on the two lead wagons, they can put their votes anywhere knowing they don't have to vote to save one of their own

so I feel like your whole thing falls apart if shane is town which is why it concerns me that you are entirely basing your solve off of it

you do realise that the shane wagon was a turbo wagon right?

 

[joey]

no i will admit i entirely forgot that

 

[bluedoom]

feels like you are using that rigid criteria of the votes to push an agenda (voting into a pool of certain people) rather than actually having to make scumreads on people to vote them

ok, but I've literally cased like 3 people on the genisu wagon, their wagon either has died down in this game or people just ignore whatever I say completely, its not like I haven't scumread people on the wagon lol

 

[bluedoom]

Duskfall98 joey/alice/celever/laurel/af

so we think one of cel/shane is mafia. if shane is mafia is there a busser? I doubt it because of turbo before deadline. Which means 3/4 mafia were on genisu. I guess you exclude Celever from that list in that case, idk.

If shane is town this its a little dicey. Could easily be 2+2 or 3+1 with the 3 on genisu because I don't think the scum equity in the shane voting block is that high. 2+2...might actually imply a deepwolf. gdi.

literally made this post 2 days ago lol

 

[joey]

I read back the flashwagon part and I still don't see your point tbh, why does mafia have to be between the genisu/shane votes and can't be on the other votes?

 

[bluedoom]

Day 2 Votals (Final)
(6) genisu: joey, Duskfall98, Laurel, Celever, Alice Kazumi, a fairy
(5) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT, M2H
(2) Celever: Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(1) Alice Kazumi: Clouds
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) bluedoom: ImaginaryNeon



To explain my perspective. There were 3 town on the minority wagons. So its like. The probably of all 4 mafia between the genisu/Shane wagons is high? It doesn't matter that people vote off wagon because math dictates that this is likely for me.

Shane is someone I townread D1 but ever since then he has p much been stuck on a tunnel on Celever. I have no idea how much confidence I can have in this.

Then the other option is Neon. If anyone would like to teach me on how to read Neon, be my guest lol.

this

 

[bluedoom]

I still don’t understand why you’re solving based on s!shane while not pushing Shane

its less that and more, I'm thinking of a world where shane is town and role-wise it makes sense but that's giving me the headache of "what am I supposed to think of HH/Jalmont/Flanders then."

 

[joey]

Day 2 Votals (Final)
(6) genisu: joey, Duskfall98, Laurel, Celever, Alice Kazumi, a fairy
(5) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT (not mafia), M2H
(2) Celever: Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(1) Alice Kazumi: Clouds
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) bluedoom: ImaginaryNeon

 

[joey]

highlighting yourself is meaningless and you didn't highlight any of the confirmed non-mafias on the two main votes lol

 

[bluedoom]

I read back the flashwagon part and I still don't see your point tbh, why does mafia have to be between the genisu/shane votes and can't be on the other votes?

well to elaborate: unless you think neon is scum , from my pov if shane is mafia then his buddies don't turbo him which means his buddies had to have voted genisu.

The thing that's well, ofc making me doubt is if shane is town then...who'd be mafia on his wagon??? Flanders/HH I guess?

 

[bluedoom]

highlighting yourself is meaningless and you didn't highlight any of the confirmed non-mafias on the two main votes lol

I quoted a post I made last phase man gimme a break

 

[joey]

oh that is my bad i didn't expand the quote and i thought you were just quoting the vote count from charlie right now

 

[joey]

i do see where you're coming from. I just think we have to solve shane before we can base any solving off of it because it completely hinges on what alignment he is

 

[Tommy]

Is neon ever going to flip

doubtful

 

[Celever]

its less that and more, I'm thinking of a world where shane is town and role-wise it makes sense but that's giving me the headache of "what am I supposed to think of HH/Jalmont/Flanders then."

I think you probably just consider them as regular players and don’t care about the wagons much if he’s town.

You could certainly argue they feel slightly likelier scum mostly because Shane momentum fell off a cliff the next day which implies the turbo had little to do with Shane himself. Likelier to be scum doing that play than town because genisu was mostly misvote bait from a scum POV. In which case yeah, Hydro and Flandrs in particular probably look kinda bad.

I could see scum Hydro feeling locked in to turboing because of his EoD1

 

[bluedoom]

i do see where you're coming from. I just think we have to solve shane before we can base any solving off of it because it completely hinges on what alignment he is

that's a good point yeah