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My thoughts on eod votes as written 30m after Laurel flipped

6769 [SB. votecount]

(5) a fairy: Celever, bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel, Duskfall98
(3) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, a fairy
(2) StupidFlandrs48: joey, JALMONT

### at this point im convinced im going over, and the recent discussions abt ties make me feel like i don't
### want to scramble to my defense and risk the game ending. so i leave my final messages for town post-death


6773 [flanders insurance]

(6) a fairy: Celever, bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel, Duskfall98, Flanders
(2) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy
(2) StupidFlandrs48: joey, JALMONT

### yeah, doomed. i continue my posting and want to bring attention to my read list. i have to reclarify
### that it doesnt scumread everyone. ive just noticed that cel commented that they'd vote laurel.
### which matches up behavior later but could be hedging his bets knowing i'd flip town? im tinfoiling.

6780 [jalmont moves his vote to a viable wagon]

(6) a fairy: Celever, bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel, Duskfall98, Flanders
(3) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy, JALMONT
(1) StupidFlandrs48: joey

### dont have a ton of commentary here, jalmont is never scum here with the laurel flip. atp im not
### entertaining any 3p ideas, though. jalmont is for sure in my towncore here off of this. like,
### maybe if they were as scumread as cel for me, i could say that this was an attempt from scum
### to end up on a good-looking-but-ineffectual wagon, but like - he already was on that! the flanders
### wagon if he doesn't move looks perfectly fine. i guess i did have a lot of commentary here.

6783 [duskfall moves his vote after I AtE him alive (/j)]

(5) a fairy: Celever, bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel, Flanders
(4) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy, JALMONT, Duskfall98,
(1) StupidFlandrs48: joey

### so, i thought this tied us when we were live, but i seem to have forgotten jal was off wagons
### introducing an odd vote into the equation. neon this is the benefit of being involved in the votes!
### i believe that dusk knew that jalmont was the odd vote preventing the tie, given that he specifically
### commented it out when we were pre-6769. doesn't flip the target over to laurel, but now there's momentum

6785 [celever moves his vote]

(4) a fairy: bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel, Flanders
(5) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy, JALMONT, Duskfall98, Celever
(1) StupidFlandrs48: joey

### im stunned! i posted in my pm thread that cel's attempt to get good graces wouldn't work on me
### since he moved after the target flipped, but it DIDN'T - cel was the one that changed the majority
### i don't see a world where cel does this as scum, i think. genuinely, i think that this alone has
### caused me to townread cel, because doing this as scum is such a bad play when you're already
### somewhat scumread, since you have 0 reliability that it'll actually hardclear you since it can
### be washed away as last-minute panic. this is a huge vote

6786 [flanders moves his vote]

(3) a fairy: bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel
(6) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy, JALMONT, Duskfall98, Celever, Flanders
(1) StupidFlandrs48: joey

### i am less inclined to grant this to flanders, FMPOV the two moved their vote in unison but there's for
### sure a world that flanders saw cel move, processed what that meant to the vc, and jumped ship
### to be on the good wagon; all within the time it took me to see tommy's vote and panic about
### the vc tying. remember, 6787 is before i even see cel's vote. this is a good vote but not
### as mindblowing to me as cel's vote was.
 
a fairy said:
6783 [duskfall moves his vote after I AtE him alive (/j)]
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You stole my pun! :puff:
a fairy said:
6786 [flanders moves his vote]

(3) a fairy: bluedoom, Shane the Shroomish, Laurel
(6) Laurel: ImaginaryNeon, a fairy, JALMONT, Duskfall98, Celever, Flanders
(1) StupidFlandrs48: joey

### i am less inclined to grant this to flanders, FMPOV the two moved their vote in unison but there's for
### sure a world that flanders saw cel move, processed what that meant to the vc, and jumped ship
### to be on the good wagon; all within the time it took me to see tommy's vote and panic about
### the vc tying. remember, 6787 is before i even see cel's vote. this is a good vote but not
### as mindblowing to me as cel's vote was.
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I can see the idea here but it's just not realistic for me to have this mindset. Given how quickly people were posting at the time and the fact that I voted literally one post after Celever, I can't be expected to see his vote and react that quickly. Indeed, Cel's vote appeared to me instantly after the page refreshed to include my vote.
 
Flandrs’ post also appeared when I posted my post ftr. We basically did it at the same time lol

If we’re taking a page out of M2H’s book, then we’re scumbuddies because we did smth at the same time :sphearical:

I’ll take towncred for having better internet though:boi:
 
Actually I forget if Shane's role is still active rn, but either way Celever is on him. And we're pretty sure the strongman that killed Clouds was a 1-shot since anything more would screw with the setup a lot
 
it wouldnt shock me if laurel's inventions were fake tbh (think reviser seed from the games), but imagine being laurel and giving town a real bpv for towncred only for him to turn out to be investigator and you need to kill him anyway
 
a fairy said:
it wouldnt shock me if laurel's inventions were fake tbh (think reviser seed from the games), but imagine being laurel and giving town a real bpv for towncred only for him to turn out to be investigator and you need to kill him anyway
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Maybe that's why he was so frustrated when he got the axe lmao, I wouldn't love that position either
 
I've got a long day today but I should be able to post when I'm back from work, maybe right after dinner even. Already posted what my reads were like over the night phase anyway.
 
Damn game’s really dead. That’s sad.

a fairy has the fact that Flandrs had as much chance as flipping the vote changed your mind much? Technically both of us were necessary anyway, as if only one person flipped then the wagons would’ve tied, and considering the prospect of either me or Flandrs as scum with both of us being likely vote outs at some stage, I think the right strategy for either of us (so FMPOV scum!Flandrs) would have been to play chicken. I mean, unless our final scumbuddy is Tommy lol.

HydrogenHydreigon gun to your head, who do you wanna vote. Ik you’re busy and that’s ok, but maybe try to catch up on some wallposts or something.

StupidFlandrs48 atm it seems up to you to determine the counterwagon. Who do you want it to be?

joey IIRC your last reads list had a lot of the game as scum. How has Laurel’s flip changed that? If you still scumread lots of people, has it made some higher priority for you than others?

ImaginaryNeon you don’t need a fully completed sheet in order to use the sheet to do analysis with players’ behaviours in previous games. Take the sheet where you’re up to and compare them to at that point in past games of players. Is there anything noteworthy?
 
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