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CAP 2 Smogon "Create a Pokemon" Part Deux: Poll 7
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...then you'll get all the poor grammar failures who can't pronounce it. I do like the name aesthetically though.
Revenankh, Houtaijin, and Zombrawl are my favorite names posted so far. Houtaijin is just cool beyond belief. Now I really wish my design would have won, because that name "feels" so right for that design. It doesn't feel as right for KOA's mummy. But a great name is great name, regardless of the design. Revenankh is really original and probably my favorite for the mummy. Zombrawl is basic, but hits the mark well. Feels totally right for our mummified tank. I hope all three make it to the name poll.
Okay, you guys love Shed Skin too much. It is way ahead of the other ones. Well, here is the final Tally
Air Lock - 28 votes - 11.48%
Dry Skin - 38 votes - 15.57%
Immunity - 11 votes - 4.51%
Insomnia - 32 votes - 13.11%
Rough Skin - 17 votes - 6.97%
Sand Veil - 14 votes - 5.74%
Shed Skin - 61 votes - 25.00%
Synchronize - 8 votes - 3.28%
Snare Trap - 35 votes - 14.34%
I'm considering just calling Shed Skin the main trait because of its enormous lead. I also can't decide the cut off point for the next poll. Right now, the bolded ones are the ones I am going to move on, but Air Lock can also move on, or I could drop Insomnia. I'm really not sure since Dry Skin, Snare Trap, Insomnia, and Air Lock are all within 10 votes of each other.
Air Lock - 28 votes - 11.48%
Dry Skin - 38 votes - 15.57%
Immunity - 11 votes - 4.51%
Insomnia - 32 votes - 13.11%
Rough Skin - 17 votes - 6.97%
Sand Veil - 14 votes - 5.74%
Shed Skin - 61 votes - 25.00%
Synchronize - 8 votes - 3.28%
Snare Trap - 35 votes - 14.34%
I'm considering just calling Shed Skin the main trait because of its enormous lead. I also can't decide the cut off point for the next poll. Right now, the bolded ones are the ones I am going to move on, but Air Lock can also move on, or I could drop Insomnia. I'm really not sure since Dry Skin, Snare Trap, Insomnia, and Air Lock are all within 10 votes of each other.
Call Shed Skin as the main trait, and hold a four-way poll between the next four (Air Lock, Insomnia, Dry Skin, Snare Trap).
Insomnia will suck ... I want this thing to be able to use Rest, damnit.
Insomnia will suck ... I want this thing to be able to use Rest, damnit.
i agree with tennisace about giving air lock a chance. move all five on, cut off at 28...or, call shed skin the main trait and just drop insomnia.
also, reiterating the argument AGAINST snare trap/entomb, because it almost requires that we give this guy the custom move to make it worth it. the only way i think this ability is fair is if the move to go with it has shit accuracy. otherwise this guy can literally toxistall (even toxifusion!) whole teams, which i dont think is something we really want. if it stuck with just wrap/bind/whatever without the custom move at 50 bp, then its less cheap. seriously, that stands a chance at becoming the next parahax togekiss...i don't see much good coming from it. the other options are just more strategic and interesting.
also, reiterating the argument AGAINST snare trap/entomb, because it almost requires that we give this guy the custom move to make it worth it. the only way i think this ability is fair is if the move to go with it has shit accuracy. otherwise this guy can literally toxistall (even toxifusion!) whole teams, which i dont think is something we really want. if it stuck with just wrap/bind/whatever without the custom move at 50 bp, then its less cheap. seriously, that stands a chance at becoming the next parahax togekiss...i don't see much good coming from it. the other options are just more strategic and interesting.
My only worry with Dry Skin is balance issues. A Water Immunity and healing in Rain Dance is really quite powerful. I don't want to step on so many people's votes, but I am worried about it.
I'm just surpised my barely fleshed out ability managed to do so well.
I'm currently thinking the best way to balance it is to give all partial trapping abilities a minimum of 3 turns, and deal 1/8th damage.
This leaves the 1/8th damage effect to the trait and just makes Shadowbind (if we use it) a better, STABbed version of Wrap, with 1/16th regular damage. This makes its benefits over Shadow Punch limited if it doesn't have the Snare Trap trait. A decent balance overall I think.
So:
Snare Trap: This pokemon's partial trapping moves are in effect for 3 turns minimum, and deal 1/8th damage at the end of each round.
Urza said:
You can't Toxistall whole teams even assuming everything goes your way. You have to Wrap/Shadowbind each and every one of them successfully while they use whatever attacks they happen to have. This isn't a Shadow Tag clone. It requires you use a moveslot and attack turn on a partial trapping move. Unless you think your opponents are all going to be using Splash as you try this, it's a long way from broken. Moreover since it does require an attack turn, they can switch in their Counter.
Drop Insomnia so Air Lock can have a chance.
Is Shadow Bind like a hybrid between the old school Wrap and new school Wrap?
Is Shadow Bind like a hybrid between the old school Wrap and new school Wrap?
i'm not saying that's broken, just that it doesn't sound fun...i don't know, it's my opinion. i think it's well designed and thought out, but it seems very haxy, and it's not something i'd enjoy seeing implemented. i'm not mortally opposed to it.
reading your post deck, i agree that dry skin is actually much worse...
reading your post deck, i agree that dry skin is actually much worse...
The problem with Dry Skin is that the way it works doesn't actually make any sense for a mummy Pokemon. Dry Skin represents Pokemon that live in and prefer wet, moist environments. This guy is the exact opposite, I imagine, preferring dry environments. A mummy probably shouldn't heal when taking water damage. Drought would actually make more sense to represent his dryness.
By anyway, yay for Shed Skin! It really is the best choice.
As for Snare Trap, it still feels a little elaborate. Abilities should usually only do one thing. Dry Skin is one exception, but it's very well implemented in that sense. I think just having it cause 1/8th damage for partial Trapping moves is enough. No increased duration/higher minimums. Not every Ability needs to be omgawesome! In fact, simple, slightly underpowered abilities often feel a bit more authentic.
By anyway, yay for Shed Skin! It really is the best choice.
As for Snare Trap, it still feels a little elaborate. Abilities should usually only do one thing. Dry Skin is one exception, but it's very well implemented in that sense. I think just having it cause 1/8th damage for partial Trapping moves is enough. No increased duration/higher minimums. Not every Ability needs to be omgawesome! In fact, simple, slightly underpowered abilities often feel a bit more authentic.
Air Lock. Because, frankly, some Pokemon (erhem, HaxChomp) could just use the lack of weather supporting them.
I'm also backing Immunity. The few turns Toxic's in there on Houtaijin (which, by the way, is an awesome name) could take a toll defensively. In my opinion, better to be completely immune. Sure, Shed Skin works on all things, including Burn, which is a forseeable problem in there. But most of the things using WoW are things it probably shouldn't be trying to take on anyways (especially with the few turns you'll be burned).
I'm also backing Immunity. The few turns Toxic's in there on Houtaijin (which, by the way, is an awesome name) could take a toll defensively. In my opinion, better to be completely immune. Sure, Shed Skin works on all things, including Burn, which is a forseeable problem in there. But most of the things using WoW are things it probably shouldn't be trying to take on anyways (especially with the few turns you'll be burned).
Shed Skin
Shadowbind would be New School Wrap with a Base Power that doesn't make you say "%$#& it" right off the bat. Snare Trap would boost its minimum duration to 3 turns and increase its damage/turn from 1/16th to 1/8th.
Trust me. If Wrap, Bind, Sand Tomb, Whirlpool, and Fire Spin all had 50 BP instead of 15, you'd be seeing a lot more of them.
I first believe that Shadow Bind was RBY Wrap v2.0 or something. That alone would have made me say "%$#& that @&*#" though deep down, I actually wanted that sort of trapping back in D/P lol
It was't trapping so much as annoyance. RBY Wrap could be switched out of,, although opponents had to wait a turn before they could switch or else they would be hit by another attack IIRC. Old School Wrap + Focus Punch would be brutal.
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