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Actually, and insanely, polls show that in a high turn out election, Trump wins. First time ever in modern politics—

Biden has lost the youth vote (and Right-Tube has fostered enough young mysoginist/fascist men) and minority vote to such a degree that he’s now reliant on the old white voting base to a degree that if turnout is high, Trump will win.

There are also a looooot of voters who will choose just based on vibes, and want “a leader who is strong.”

It’s not just suppressing potential Biden votes, there definitely ARE votes for Trump to win—

and enough young men especially with regressive tendencies out there who can be swayed and swing this thing.

I think you’re analysis is mostly right, but Biden’s chances and the impact here are actually significantly worse.


Is it that insanely tho at this point if you followed anything but american politics? Just look at european elections, argentinian elections and so on, especially a big chunk of young men (18-30) and men in their 40s move politically towards and vote increasingly far-right or at least vote traditional conservative parties while women become more liberal or even leftist, but to a slower effect. You might aswell say at this point it's at least mainly men who are driving us all over the world towards fascism, hellbent to erase all the social progress of the last 100 and so years.
 
"At least my desired candidate doesn't have a stutter!"

??? A stutter isn't a big deal. His age isn't all that big a deal either. Most people who've begun to dislike Biden worry about his cognitive ability. Nobody gives a piss about the age of the president other than college-age voters. People think Biden is a puppet that's paraded on stage to fumble every word. Some of the extra wild conservatives think Biden has a body double in videos where he's more lucid and seems to be all there. Moreover, I never understood the gripe that certain conservatives have about Biden, who is most likely on meds. Like if he needs to take PEDs to fulfill his duties the best he can it feels fine to me. Running America isn't a sporting event so I don't understand why people feel the need to treat it like one.
 
Is it that insanely tho at this point if you followed anything but american politics? Just look at european elections, argentinian elections and so on, especially a big chunk of young men (18-30) and men in their 40s move politically towards and vote increasingly far-right or at least vote traditional conservative parties while women become more liberal or even leftist, but to a slower effect. You might aswell say at this point it's at least mainly men who are driving us all over the world towards fascism, hellbent to erase all the social progress of the last 100 and so years.

Yup, exactly right… Besides crazy imploding Argentinia, Central & South America are the only places electing based, Chad Socialists across the board. Everywhere else Liberal Rot giving away to fascism and that trend with young men stretching across the West+Korea. (Based youth in Japan embracing based Japanese Communist Party though, just saying)

and liberals doing nothing to win them back or stop it from happening.

Weak leaders. Sheer incompetence. Lack of policy to build the economic stability and jobs upon which society places sooooo much weight of men’s dignity.

They’re all doing what Biden is— actively snuffing out the left from fixing it, and flopping on their backs refusing to do anything themselves.

Remember…!
Bernie would have won (a rainbow coalition of young men with Federal Jobs’ Guarantee working for the Green New Deal)
 
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I fucking LOVE that every primary is a conspiracy against the geriatric that the few very online people love in order to support the geriatric everyone else loves or at least tolerates. There's no better sign of the Democrats being cooked than this conspiracy theorist grievance is still going on after 8 years and that the people unable to move past it think that they understand how to really win.

There’s an easier way to think of this— the Dems could put alllllllll of that Bernie shit to rest by just doing 1 thing. Governing well.

If the country was in a great place, if action was visible and palpable, if people were benefiting immensely from the Biden regime AND being effectively marketed & comms’d to understand that—

We’d be done here. The left could shut up, and Biden would be up 30+ points against a liar, criminal, facist traitor.

Clearly this is a skills issue. Bernie would have won.
 
To be fair, barring his foreign policy flubs, Biden has had one of the better first terms as a president of the past half-century, especially considering the challenges of COVID recovery and the effectiveness of the Republican movement to hamstring any federal government activity through judicial takeover and legislative gridlock. He could be doing much more, and the bar for good presidency is low, but had he accepted reality and prepared a new successor for 2024 (and not enabled Israel to kill Palestinian civilians carte blanche), I'd consider him arguably the best president of my lifetime. I'm very obviously a pretty far left person, but I can be realistic about the expectations one should have for the executive branch.

The concern isn't over the job he's done, it's his ability to continue the job. He clearly is not willing or able to sell his administration to voters this time, partly due to signs of age-related cognitive decline and partly due to pride and a career-long desire to cling to power, and he's about to hand Trump the presidency because of it.
 
There’s an easier way to think of this— the Dems could put alllllllll of that Bernie shit to rest by just doing 1 thing. Governing well.

If the country was in a great place, if action was visible and palpable, if people were benefiting immensely from the Biden regime AND being effectively marketed & comms’d to understand that—

We’d be done here. The left could shut up, and Biden would be up 30+ points against a liar, criminal, facist traitor.

Clearly this is a skills issue. Bernie would have won.


They have governed well by all accounts, they successfully navigated an economic catastrophe and tamed inflation, passed equitable stimulus, expanded loan forgiveness and have managed to humiliate the aggressor of the largest land war in Europe since WWII. This is exactly what I meant before when I said the average American's perception of performance isn't influenced by material conditions or statistics, their perceptions are influenced entirely by media.

Again, Bernie couldn't even put together a decent campaign, a good chunk of his former staffers are washouts that went straight into the Republican sphere. Hell, his press secretary for 2020 was just on Candace Owens' show this month after getting fired from a literal Republican propaganda show.


i'm also not voting for biden.

Same
 
Keep repeating that line, I'm sure it'll be convincing eventually

New poll found that 60 percent of voters want Biden to step down. At this point, refusing to accept that just says you're okay with another Trump presidency

Reality is not a sales pitch. One can accept the choices or not. Biden is the nominee. If you aren’t going to help him win just get out of the way. Voters of color and women voters know what’s at stake. We beat the felon four years ago and we will do it again.
 
Reality is not a sales pitch. One can accept the choices or not. Biden is the nominee. If you aren’t going to help him win just get out of the way. Voters of color and women voters know what’s at stake. We beat the felon four years ago and we will do it again.

I hope you're right and I wish you the best of luck. But if you can't accept that a presidential election does require you to convince voters to vote for your candidate instead of shaming them for expecting better, I really don't think you should be lecturing anybody about the nature of reality. I've had more productive conversations with Trump supporters than you.
 
They have governed well by all accounts, they successfully navigated an economic catastrophe and tamed inflation, passed equitable stimulus, expanded loan forgiveness and have managed to humiliate the aggressor of the largest land war in Europe since WWII. This is exactly what I meant before when I said the average American's perception of performance isn't influenced by material conditions or statistics, their perceptions are influenced entirely by media.

Again, Bernie couldn't even put together a decent campaign, a good chunk of his former staffers are washouts that went straight into the Republican sphere. Hell, his press secretary for 2020 was just on Candace Owens' show this month after getting fired from a literal Republican propaganda show.




Same

sounds like cope. Suck at governing, suck at marketing, suck at politics. Close or losing to a fascist criminal traitor. Bernie would have won.
 
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sounds like cope. Suck at governing, suck at marketing, suck at politics. Close or losing to a fascist criminal traitor. Bernie would have won.
How many times are you going to say this? Sanders never won a primary. He slipped from 39% in the 2016 primary to 27% in the 2020 primary.
Maybe if he had won key swing states like North Carolina or Pennsylvania in those primaries then you would have a case to make.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Bernie_Sanders
 
sounds like cope. Suck at governing, suck at marketing, suck at politics. Close or losing to a fascist criminal traitor. Bernie would have won.


Yeah Bernie would "for sure" have won with his dumpsterfire staff (not just Candace Owens 2.0 Brianna Joy Gray, i already wrote enough about her in this thread) and nordic model scandinavian inspired politics in a country that loathes anything even somewhat resembling "socialism" (average joe doesn't care that nordic model is basic socdem politics). Heck, the closely allied squad outside of AOC has also mostly taken Ls instead of growing their influence in parlament politics since Sanders 2nd failed campaign. If anything, AOC is the only person among the left-wing of DNC who may have any shot in the future, the rest is just not relevant enough and Sanders is a has been who in the end didn't get more votes in primaries than fucking Hillary Clinton.
 
I hope you're right and I wish you the best of luck. But if you can't accept that a presidential election does require you to convince voters to vote for your candidate instead of shaming them for expecting better, I really don't think you should be lecturing anybody about the nature of reality. I've had more productive conversations with Trump supporters than you.

Because you are one. You are no ally of people of color nor women if you don’t help elect Biden.
 
Anyway…
Let’s hope the Dems can figure out some way to clean this up, take care of it— get the dub.

Time to put up or shut up. Go big or go home. There are zero excuses if Trump wins— that’s just it. It’s Joever.

We’ll see what they come up with. I’m not applying for jobs in Tokyo again (yet). I’m banking on them keeping society alive—

But, fair warning liberals— if all the free world finds itself lined up together on a facist firing squad, you can fully expect leftists to turn to you and say— “we told you so.”

Look, until then, I’ll even send Biden a $20, just for at least trying to Build Back Better.
 
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Let’s hope the Dems can figure out some way to clean this up, take care of it— get the dub.

Time to put up or shut up. Go big or go home. There are zero excuses if Trump wins— that’s just it. It’s Joever.

We’ll see what they come up with. I’m not applying for jobs in Tokyo again (yet). I’m banking on them keeping society alive—

But, fair warning liberals— if all the free world finds itself lined up together on a facist firing squad, you can fully expect leftists to turn to you and say— “we told you so.”

Look, until then, I’ll even send Biden a $20, just for at least trying to Build Back Better.


Dude majority of newspapers and lots of "liberals" are calling for Biden to dropout aswell, some of you far-leftists act like you're oh so smart and important while only helping the exact opposite political camp all the time, or you act like you care about Democracy in the first place when your ideology explicitly calls for the destruction of it to eventually create a utopian state of society resembling heaven.
 
Dude majority of newspapers and lots of "liberals" are calling for Biden to dropout aswell, some of you far-leftists act like you're oh so smart and important while only helping the exact opposite political camp all the time, or you act like you care about Democracy in the first place when your ideology explicitly calls for the destruction of it to eventually create a utopian state of society resembling heaven.
Yeah, it’s beautiful. Finally they’re coming around (though again back until October I was one of them leftists telling other leftists to shut up because Dank Brandon still the best play)

Like I said— hopefully they fix it.

Anyway, if you think there’s “one” ideology of the left you clearly know nothing about it.

MY ideology calls for just 3 immovable things added to the US system:

-Crowd-sourced bi-annual giant legislative packets voted for by the voters that supercedes Congress.
-Mandate 60%+ of Board of Director seats being worker elected at all organizations with over 250 workers.
-Government Guaranteed Healthcare, Housing, Education

^That’s it. Those 3 things, and I’d call America a Democratic Socialist country.


Edit: Anyway— the smarter Chad response to my post is just “Yeah, just sit back and watch. The Dems will win.” Don’t know if it’ll age well— but a lib party with the balls to say that is better than what we got now.
 
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Can you elaborate on this a little?
If I’m correct, the end goal of the most left of the left Democratics is somewhat of a utopian with equality racially, financially, etc. Of course, stuff like Capitalism and government are designed in a way where somebody will end up more powerful than everyone else. This cannot exist in a world of absolute socialism / communism and equality. Of course there are more conservative Democratics with a more conservative version of Socialism / Communism.

Also I don’t think it’s ok to joke about stuff like gas chambers, as very real people died because of Fascism.
 
Because you are one. You are no ally of people of color nor women if you don’t help elect Biden.

This is ridiculous. Who the hell are you to say who is an ally and who is not?

Political candidates are supposed to convince voters, nobody owes votes to them. Clearly a 81-year-old demented dude who is in all likelihood going to become more incoherent (or even become bedridden and/or kick the bucket) before the end of his next term isn't convincing us. Reading smug shitlib posts like this is making me less, not more, willing to support Biden.
 
If I’m correct, the end goal of the most left of the left Democratics is somewhat of a utopian with equality racially, financially, etc. Of course, stuff like Capitalism and government are designed in a way where somebody will end up more powerful than everyone else. This cannot exist in a world of absolute socialism / communism and equality. Of course there are more conservative Democratics with a more conservative version of Socialism / Communism.

This is probably the dumbest explanation of socialism that I've ever heard and even here you never explained how it's incompatible with democracy.

Also I don’t think it’s ok to joke about stuff like gas chambers, as very real people died because of Fascism.
Then it should concern you severely how close we are to heading down that path again, much more than someone making a joke on a Pokemon forum.

This is ridiculous. Who the hell are you to say who is an ally and who is not?

This was worthless IdPol flame bait by the way and not worth responding to.
 
This is ridiculous. Who the hell are you to say who is an ally and who is not?

No, it’s not rediculous. Civil rights and abortion rights will be gone if Biden doesn’t win. You know this. It’s either you don’t care or have no skin in the fight.

My ancestors were American slaves. My grandmother didn’t cast her first vote until she was in her 40s. And I’m guessing you don’t have a uterus.

Political candidates are supposed to convince voters, nobody owes votes to them. Clearly a 81-year-old demented dude who is in all likelihood going to become more incoherent (or even become bedridden and/or kick the bucket) before the end of his next term isn't convincing us. Reading smug shitlib posts like this is making me less, not more, willing to support Biden.

You think withholding a Biden vote is some sort of power play. If Liz Cheney and Michael Steele need less convincing than so called leftists it is time to re-evaluate which side of history you are on.
 
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