tbf this is also how major news orgs work & i can't see them going anywhere any time soon. at least my king hasan is hot
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In a perfect world… this is just like how theoretically public campaign financing and heavily regulated comms channels for political parties and entities would lead to better civil society.
But in a capitalist system where it costs money and resources to get anything accomplished I’m skeptical about saying it shouldn’t exist— more like how should it be regulated, and done so that the Daily Wire’s monthly budget isn’t comparable to all of left tube’s yearly one.
Essentially comms is also work, and politics needs comms. And ALL work, almost everything we care about in the world is only accomplished by labor—
And we can’t expect needed labor to occur without economic compensation. Content industry including marketing, comms and entertainment are no different from any other work in this respect.
Edit: Also Hasan is indeed hot
I think it's interesting that you're saying this in a forum where we all, without monetary compensation, share our opinions
If someone were to care about a subject so deeply as to put work into it without monetary compensation, we can expect the resulting work to be genuine, which already puts it miles above anythink that the ilk of Hasan or Shapiro has ever produced. I mean, when I look at how much effort some people of all political directions put into certain protests, boycotts or other political actions, the making of a genuine opinion piece or something similar seems rather insignificant.
It's not political, but this is a good example of genuine effort without the expectation of monetary compensation:
made by a 15-year old kid who willingly forgoes money because he considers the message to be more important.
If they need money, they can just work a real job like the rest of us. Or they can make non-political content on the side, which I am fine with being monetized
That's completely true and it kinda makes my whole point shaky
What major news orgs do is something most us are unable to do. I wouldn'd be able to travel to Syria to investigate the happenings there, for example. But they lie and they grift and they manipulate so, so much. You couldn't really establish a control organ to monitor the truthfulness of their content, as this organ would become a tool for control. I really don't know how to deal with these
Somebody once told I look like a more attractive Hasan and they meant as a compliment but I felt so insulted by that
I really don't like Hasan. He's atleast bottom 5 of the worst internet lefties
Agree with the sentiment here 100%. Also agree with the follow up that these grifters aren’t going anywhere.
What we need is for society to stop shunning experience and expertise in lieu of narrative and engagement. A well-intentioned close friend of mine keeps sending political commentary from Charlemagne the God. I respect the guy for building a following but what the fuck does Charlemagne know about campaigns and politics? But that’s the point… people seek out what they want to hear, not what is most informative. Not sure how we can combat that.
How much industry is created by Smogon?
I’m not going to belittle the work created by community projects, or volunteer work, open source projects etc. but don’t think it’s what should critically run society or that only those with enough time/wealth to engage with politics for free should do so. That’s also a form of limiting democratic participation by paywall.
(Also if you ever get in inside scoop and can read through all Smogon’s past drama, ugliness and angst arisen over community compensation in badge pixels— you’ll see even more of the importance of compensating labor)
It’s not weird for a lefty to genuinely value people’s time and fundamentally think that since labor creates almost all value, labor that’s valued should be compensated by society as a starting point.
You don’t have to like the political influencer sphere, but I disagree that it shouldn’t exist. I believe in free speech, free society, and the value of creative expression in society. I would want it to be regulated in ways that prevent over monopolization (essentially antitust and algorithms that act more egalitarian) and detrimental degrees of power concentration that hurts society—
—but that’s essentially what I think of any other industry as well. This isn’t the kind of industry I’d want to ban outright.
Edit: Also we must preserve Right Wing Mandela, Warrenite Mandela, Nation of Islam Obama, Bernie or Bust Bill Clinton, ‘Just Ideas’ Dave Rubin, Saying-His-Real-Racism-Bluntly Sam Harris, Civil War Era Anti-Slavery Slave Owner Sam Harris, and any of Michael Brooks other impressions— actually everything that Michael ever said on YouTube— it all must be preserved in its entirety for future generations.
Rest in Power
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“We’ve all resigned ourselves to a second Trump Presidency”
OMFG why are Democrats like this???
Fight!!!!!!!
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It looks like shady, narrative-driven reporting. “Most Democrats who spoke to Axios.” Does that mean 2/3? 3/5? 6/10? 101/200? The scale is signifiant here. The sentence makes it seem like it is a significant amount but the reader has no way to verify, which leaves it completely open to reader interpretation. That is probably the point.
I agree with the broader point that there are some in the Democratic Party that are spineless chickenshits. What’s worse, the defeatist thinking itself or the narcissism that drives some Democratic lawmakers to air the party’s dirty laundry to the press?
I agree no way of verification and I hardly think it could be “most”—
—but it’s gotta be NONE. WTF??? This is nazism knocking here.
And also 1000% agree if it is a real quote NEVER say this to the press!!!!
what’s WRONG with you??? (To whoever said it)
Biden has announced support for a Supreme Court reform including term limits and ethics committees.
Any independent worth their salt should be in favor of this, so good on Biden. His polls put him only ~2% behind Trump (although worse in swing states!) but even if (Republican) Congress destroys this it should dramatically work in Biden's favor.
He's also working towards a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad presidential immunity.
Dicks out for Biden.
Any independent worth their salt should be in favor of this, so good on Biden. His polls put him only ~2% behind Trump (although worse in swing states!) but even if (Republican) Congress destroys this it should dramatically work in Biden's favor.
He's also working towards a constitutional amendment to eliminate broad presidential immunity.
Dicks out for Biden.
This is actually impossible without a Constitutional Amendment which would never get passed. Term Limits on Supreme Court Justice are directly contrary to the Constitution. This just looks like a press grab to gain votes, and any knowledgeable person will know there's no actual plan to do this since it's not really possible. How about he actually tried some serious, possible reforms to the Supreme Court during the past 3.5 years instead? Maybe then we would believe he actually wanted to do something there. Announcing impossible plans during the last few months of the presidency is just silly and I don't think it's going to sway that many people to make any kind of difference.
Buddy it's 4 months from election day, every shit Biden takes is a press grab to gain votes.
Most Americans unironically think Biden controls gas prices.
Name one that could gain enough Republican support to get through Congress.
He could try to package in some sort of ethics code on supreme court justices with other unrelated legislation giving Republicans something. It's all about working deals. Realistically only an ethics code or some other sort of oversight would ever pass. Court packing and term limits are never getting through at any time.
What makes you think he won't try that?
Because the election is in 4 months and there's no time to meaningfully try to put an actual package together to make anyone think this is in good faith an attempt to actually change something. If he actually does it and it passes and there's a new ethics code for supreme court justices (the other stuff is impossible) then I'll donate $500 to save the cheetahs in Namibia.
Correct, they are not getting through. The Republicans are 100% committed to blocking everything that benefits anyone other than the 1% and corporations. The reality is, President Biden could not pass anything unrelated to the budget without Republican support, due to the fillibuster. That was why there has been increased discussion about removing the filibuster. Unfortunately, Sinemanchin vehemently nixed the thought of ending the filibuster.
Bottom line - if the governing party does not control the House, Senate, and Presidency, not a goddamn fucking thing is getting passed.
If offering a policy aspiration is "dishonest," what should a political party do? Not have a platform?
The Democrats thrive on this defeatism. Their platform is perpetually being just one good election away from actually being worth a damn. A lot of federal Democrats are probably not just resigned to a second Trump term, but actively hoping for it. They want to be able to turn to voters in 2028 and say, "See? This is what happens when you don't vote for us. This time, we swear that our promised reforms won't be blocked by those big bad Republicans who never seem to have the same problems getting their laws passed."
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That's quite the cynical take.
President Biden and the Democratic Congress had a historically productive legislative session in 2021-2022. It wasn't "transformational," but three major laws were passed - the Infrastructure Law, Inflation Reduction Act ("Build Back Better Manchin version"), and the CHIPs act.
Compare that with former President Trump and the Republicans only passing the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.
Indeed; I'm cynical about the party. I'm backing them because the alternative is theocratic fascism, but I don't like the Democrats. I find them spineless, ineffectual, and totally unprepared for the threat posed by the extreme right. They are on the verge of fumbling two Presidential elections to an inept clown that a serious political party would squash handily. The fact that Trump was ever President is a damning indictment of his opposition. They have their successes, as you note, but you will always want more out of them. Biden has quietly been one of the most productive Democrat Presidents in recent memory, and they can't even effectively communicate it to their voter base.
It’s cynical but objectively accurate. This is what they’ve long been about. Anyone who hasn’t at least heard this opinion before lives in lala land imo— at least in regards to earlier elections.
I just didn’t think they’d stay with that losing is good mentality when it’s literally potentially the end of the republic.
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And this right here is yet another reason why your countrys outdated 18th century constitution needs a bipartisan led effort for overhaul, its totally usual for democracies in Europe etc. that supreme court judges don't serve there for life like they're the Pope in Vatican. But still thanks for this information.
Unfortunately, the Constitution is the second-most worshiped text in the United States, behind only the Bible. As long as our government continues to exist in its current form, that shit is not getting overhauled.
Sorry, but I just can't agree with this point of view. I got into an argument with my dad over some comments he made to the same effect ("Democrats must be throwing the election on purpose blah blah blah") and I had to explain to him that, as we live in a representative democracy, it's not enough to field a candidate who can simply win - if that was all they cared about, they could easily run a smooth talking populist to charm the pants off the American people with lies and false promises, or an hypothetical "Blue Trump" - rather, the ideal candidate is one who represents the interest of all Americans, including those in Middle and South America that unfortunately have fallen under Trump's spell. Instead of further polarizing the nation, his victory should effectuate a return to normalcy and civil discourse so we can begin a much needed healing process. "When they go low, we go high."
As such, to anyone who's kept up with politics in the real world, Biden is the obvious and least divisive choice. Regardless of how you as a coastal elite might feel about him (I myself am highly critical of his position on Israel) he's in fact our only hope to divert moderate and independent voters, without whom we just can't win. Democrats have literally played everything by the book this election so it's crazy to blame them if you know how politics even works. You're the one living in "la la land" if you think kicking the incumbent is anything but a recipe for the most embarrassing last-minute fumble in the history of politics.
He's literally just a nepo baby Turkish nationalist whose family's whole grift is pretending to be demsocs to scam dumb 30 somethings out of money that could be put to better use. Aside from the fact that creators like Hasan are just wealthy parasites ripping off journalists, he's just a dumbfuck all around. That people still get shocked when some flagship TYT name becomes a Republican pundit is an indictment of the American left in general, and it's only a matter of time before the millionaire streamer follows the politucs of literally every other millionaire.
I don't know how else to say it, Cenk and Ana have spent the past year completely fawning over Republicans
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Any union leader going anywhere near the RNC is disgusting and Anna’s post there is too.
This is the logical conclusion of a lethargic inactive Left refusing to hold unions accountable and constantky playing footsie with fascists for a quick buck. O'Brian's also apparentky promoting Hawley's piece in the Nazi e-zine Compact (not to be confused with the German one run by a different Nazi).
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