[OVERVIEW]
Suicune is one of the prominent wincons of the tier. With a great defensive typing in Water and a high base HP stat, Suicune can set up on most bulky Pokemon in the tier. After one Calm Mind, Suicune is tough to revenge kill, as it deters physical attackers from switching in due to a potential burn from Scald, and Special Attackers have to break past the Special Defense boosts from Calm Mind. Pressure is an excellent ability on Suicune, as it allows Suicune to PP stall opposing Pokemon. Suicune's reliance on Leftovers leaves it vulnerable to Knock Off users, especially Cyclizar, as it is crippled for the rest of the game upon losing its Leftovers. Despite having a solid base Speed stat of 85, it is still slower than some common threats such as Fezandipiti, Jirachi, and Cyclizar. Faster Pokemon like Galarian Zapdos, Krookodile, and Thundurus can exploit Suicune's lower Speed and hinder its progress-making or sweeping opportunities.
[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Scald
move 4: Protect / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
tera type: Dark / Fairy
[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====
This set focuses on Suicune being a wincon by making use of Pressure and its HP and Speed stats. Substitute + Calm Mind ensures Suicune can set up on bulky but offensively weak Pokemon such as Slowbro, Gastrodon, and Wo-Chien. Protect is excellent for scouting moves on Choice-locked Pokemon, such as Okidogi, Gardevoir, and Magnezone, as well as burning foe's PP with Pressure. Protect also gives Suicune one more turn of Leftovers recovery, which improves its longevity. Ice Beam can be used over Protect to hit Pokemon that are immune to Scald, such as Storm Drain Gastrodon, Volcanion, and Vaporeon, as well as deal super effective damage to Cyclizar. Due to Pressure and Calm Mind, Suicune can beat Pokemon that are unable to boost their offenses, like the aforementioned Water-immune foes and Empoleon, by PP stalling them. Shadow Ball is also a good option to hit Psychic-types like Jirachi, Slowbro, and Gardevoir, making them less of a threat. A maximum Speed stat is required for Suicune to outspeed key threats such as Slither Wing and Okidogi, dealing decent damage to and potentially burning them. Tera Dark is the premier choice for Suicune, as it is immune to Psychic Noise upon Terastallizing. Tera Fairy is also an option, as it is a solid defensive type that resists Close Combat and U-turn from Okidogi, Slither Wing, and Galarian Zapdos. 252 HP EVs ensure Suicune has 101 HP Substitutes, meaning Seismic Toss from Chansey will not be able to break the Substitute.
Suicune appreciates entry hazards removal due to running Leftovers, which is its only form of recovery, to minimize chip damage as much as possible. Therefore, hazard control from Cyclizar, Galarian Weezing, and Noivern is much appreciated. Knock Off absorbers such as Chesnaught and Galarian Weezing are good partners, since they can switch into common Knock Off users like Krookodile and Mienshao safely. Suicune is also threatened by strong Electric- and Grass-type Pokemon such as Thundurus, Magnezone, and Rotom-C, so it appreciates the support from special sponges such as Cyclizar, Umbreon, and Fezandipiti. Toxic users such as Umbreon, Fezandipiti, and Quagsire are useful, as they put the checks Suicune usually has, like Cresselia, on a timer. Finally, strong wallbreakers such as Choice Specs Gengar, Choice Specs Hisuian Goodra, and Magnezone can get rid of opposing Calm Mind sweepers like Alluring Voice Fezandipiti and Psychic Noise Slowbro and Reuniclus.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Suicune can opt to run RestTalk, giving it a mode of reliable recovery. However, due to the unreliable nature of Sleep Talk, Suicune can be beaten by offensive Pokemon if it fails to get the correct move. Roar is also an option for it to phaze setup sweepers such as Slowbro, opposing Suicune, and Cresselia as well as rack up entry hazard damage on the opponent's side. A more offensive Calm Mind set with Scald, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball or Tera Blast Electric can be used to threaten the opponent offensively. Tera Blast Electric hits Volcanion, Vaporeon, and Slowbro super effectively, making this set a good lure against common Suicune checks.
Checks and Counters
====
**Knock Off**: Suicune is permanently crippled by Knock Off, as Leftovers is its only source of recovery. Therefore, common Knock Off users like Cyclizar, Krookodile, and Okidogi are threats.
**Status Conditions**: Suicune's ability to be a wincon is diminished upon getting burned or poisoned, especially from Fezandipiti, as it naturally outspeeds Suicune and can threaten it with Toxic. Suicune should not switch into Galarian Weezing, Slither Wing, and Talonflame because it dislikes getting hit by Will-O-Wisp, which would counteract Leftovers's recovery. Paralysis also cripples Suicune to a lesser extent, as it will be more prone to slower Pokemon such as Conkeldurr and Taunt Volcanion.
**Strong Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers such as Thundurus, Nasty Plot Rotom-C, and Choice Specs Hisuian Zoroark do great damage to Suicune, making it unable to set up reliably.
**Sound-based Moves**: Fezandipiti can attempt to poison Suicune with Toxic Chain, as Alluring Voice hits through Substitute. Psychic Noise can deny Leftovers recovery for Suicune from like Reuniclus and Slowbro, and they can outlive Suicune due to having reliable recovery. Throat Spray Yanmega can beat Suicune with prior chip damage.
[CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/feen.231398/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sir-tetris.655207/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/flampoke.654091/
Grammar checked by:
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Suicune is one of the prominent wincons of the tier. With a great defensive typing in Water and a high base HP stat, Suicune can set up on most bulky Pokemon in the tier. After one Calm Mind, Suicune is tough to revenge kill, as it deters physical attackers from switching in due to a potential burn from Scald, and Special Attackers have to break past the Special Defense boosts from Calm Mind. Pressure is an excellent ability on Suicune, as it allows Suicune to PP stall opposing Pokemon. Suicune's reliance on Leftovers leaves it vulnerable to Knock Off users, especially Cyclizar, as it is crippled for the rest of the game upon losing its Leftovers. Despite having a solid base Speed stat of 85, it is still slower than some common threats such as Fezandipiti, Jirachi, and Cyclizar. Faster Pokemon like Galarian Zapdos, Krookodile, and Thundurus can exploit Suicune's lower Speed and hinder its progress-making or sweeping opportunities.
[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Scald
move 4: Protect / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
item: Leftovers
ability: Pressure
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 Atk
tera type: Dark / Fairy
[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
====
This set focuses on Suicune being a wincon by making use of Pressure and its HP and Speed stats. Substitute + Calm Mind ensures Suicune can set up on bulky but offensively weak Pokemon such as Slowbro, Gastrodon, and Wo-Chien. Protect is excellent for scouting moves on Choice-locked Pokemon, such as Okidogi, Gardevoir, and Magnezone, as well as burning foe's PP with Pressure. Protect also gives Suicune one more turn of Leftovers recovery, which improves its longevity. Ice Beam can be used over Protect to hit Pokemon that are immune to Scald, such as Storm Drain Gastrodon, Volcanion, and Vaporeon, as well as deal super effective damage to Cyclizar. Due to Pressure and Calm Mind, Suicune can beat Pokemon that are unable to boost their offenses, like the aforementioned Water-immune foes and Empoleon, by PP stalling them. Shadow Ball is also a good option to hit Psychic-types like Jirachi, Slowbro, and Gardevoir, making them less of a threat. A maximum Speed stat is required for Suicune to outspeed key threats such as Slither Wing and Okidogi, dealing decent damage to and potentially burning them. Tera Dark is the premier choice for Suicune, as it is immune to Psychic Noise upon Terastallizing. Tera Fairy is also an option, as it is a solid defensive type that resists Close Combat and U-turn from Okidogi, Slither Wing, and Galarian Zapdos. 252 HP EVs ensure Suicune has 101 HP Substitutes, meaning Seismic Toss from Chansey will not be able to break the Substitute.
Suicune appreciates entry hazards removal due to running Leftovers, which is its only form of recovery, to minimize chip damage as much as possible. Therefore, hazard control from Cyclizar, Galarian Weezing, and Noivern is much appreciated. Knock Off absorbers such as Chesnaught and Galarian Weezing are good partners, since they can switch into common Knock Off users like Krookodile and Mienshao safely. Suicune is also threatened by strong Electric- and Grass-type Pokemon such as Thundurus, Magnezone, and Rotom-C, so it appreciates the support from special sponges such as Cyclizar, Umbreon, and Fezandipiti. Toxic users such as Umbreon, Fezandipiti, and Quagsire are useful, as they put the checks Suicune usually has, like Cresselia, on a timer. Finally, strong wallbreakers such as Choice Specs Gengar, Choice Specs Hisuian Goodra, and Magnezone can get rid of opposing Calm Mind sweepers like Alluring Voice Fezandipiti and Psychic Noise Slowbro and Reuniclus.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Suicune can opt to run RestTalk, giving it a mode of reliable recovery. However, due to the unreliable nature of Sleep Talk, Suicune can be beaten by offensive Pokemon if it fails to get the correct move. Roar is also an option for it to phaze setup sweepers such as Slowbro, opposing Suicune, and Cresselia as well as rack up entry hazard damage on the opponent's side. A more offensive Calm Mind set with Scald, Ice Beam, and Shadow Ball or Tera Blast Electric can be used to threaten the opponent offensively. Tera Blast Electric hits Volcanion, Vaporeon, and Slowbro super effectively, making this set a good lure against common Suicune checks.
Checks and Counters
====
**Knock Off**: Suicune is permanently crippled by Knock Off, as Leftovers is its only source of recovery. Therefore, common Knock Off users like Cyclizar, Krookodile, and Okidogi are threats.
**Status Conditions**: Suicune's ability to be a wincon is diminished upon getting burned or poisoned, especially from Fezandipiti, as it naturally outspeeds Suicune and can threaten it with Toxic. Suicune should not switch into Galarian Weezing, Slither Wing, and Talonflame because it dislikes getting hit by Will-O-Wisp, which would counteract Leftovers's recovery. Paralysis also cripples Suicune to a lesser extent, as it will be more prone to slower Pokemon such as Conkeldurr and Taunt Volcanion.
**Strong Special Attackers**: Strong special attackers such as Thundurus, Nasty Plot Rotom-C, and Choice Specs Hisuian Zoroark do great damage to Suicune, making it unable to set up reliably.
**Sound-based Moves**: Fezandipiti can attempt to poison Suicune with Toxic Chain, as Alluring Voice hits through Substitute. Psychic Noise can deny Leftovers recovery for Suicune from like Reuniclus and Slowbro, and they can outlive Suicune due to having reliable recovery. Throat Spray Yanmega can beat Suicune with prior chip damage.
[CREDITS]
Written by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/feen.231398/
Quality checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/sir-tetris.655207/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/flampoke.654091/
Grammar checked by:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/members/adorluigi.528364/
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