Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4

I have been experimenting a bit more with TB mons. I think even more now that it has been underutilized in the meta, even though it has gotten some attention. You can do some really dumb things with this if I'm being honest. It might not be as simple as saying X mon is broken, even though there are a few I want gone myself regardless of if we took action on TB.

One of the best moves GF ever did, in my opinion, was getting rid of Hidden Power. The lack of it allows you to be much more confident in matchups you are supposed to win or be advantaged on, thus easing constraint on the builder. Tera Blast is Hidden Power on steroids. It wouldn't solve the Tera problem as I see it, but banning it would address several other issues.

Regieleki without TB could also be nice for balance. Volc can stay banned, though. That thing has been banned way too much for me to want to see it in gen 9 OU again.
 
I truly do hope Tera Blast sees some kind of restriction since it's propping up a huge culture of "just use tera (insert type) to fish for ideal matchup and force 6v5s"

I'm not the biggest fan of such culture to the point that I even made a full video about it discussing why Tera Blast should be banned but a lot of players just have the mentality that "oh it's just part of the Tera Gimmick, it will go once Gen 10 comes"

Looking forward to what's next tho that's for sure
 
I wouldn't mind about tera blast being banned because its mostly garbage outside of cheese but like the problem is that it's a move thats useless on the vast majority of mons, so there becomes a problem where policy, from my understanding, would only really vote to ban a move if it was a breaking factor on many things that got it, and it can be hard to argue it is imo. Really it's only volc and espathra that were pushed over the edge by it, and outside of annoying cheese on other controversial mons it would never be what breaks there back. There may not be much precedent for it because of that.

Also people use it to justify volc coming back and I think volc should stay out of the tier regardless of if tera blast is there or not but thats for another time.
 
peepeepoopoo722 said:
Please survey them over Tera Blast.

It seems the discussion is being guard railed towards Kyurem and Gouging despite council and top players also mentioning Tera Blast.

Please see what our current and informed players think. They may still prioritize gouging and i can accept that but please survey
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kyurem and gouging fire should be top priority rn but i do agree that tera blast should be more closely monitored, since having pokemon be able to just blow up their counters with a STAB move they otherwise wouldn't even have is most certainly unhealthy in a way that's entirely unique to tera blast rather than tera as a whole
 
Venuesaur said:
I wouldn't mind about tera blast being banned because its mostly garbage outside of cheese but like the problem is that it's a move thats useless on the vast majority of mons, so there becomes a problem where policy, from my understanding, would only really vote to ban a move if it was a breaking factor on many things that got it, and it can be hard to argue it is imo.
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Baton pass is not really good in most of the Pokémon that have it (and even in some cases, it would be use as a pivot move) and it's banned because it's unhealthy in the mons that can use it properly.

I don't know if I'm making a solid point, but it is the nearest case I can use as an example. I clearly know Tera Blast is faaar weaker than BP as a move, but in this context the ban has a similar approach.
 
I do understand that Tera Blast is much stronger than Hidden Power but as someone who didn't like Hidden Power before (I didn't like the ability to have any coverage on a whim, I'm ok with TB bc of the much higher opportunity cost, I know that's kind of contradictory but yeah lol) - I don't remember people complaining about it as much as they do Tera Blast now, am I mistaken?
 
JunkoAJ said:
I do understand that Tera Blast is much stronger than Hidden Power but as someone who didn't like Hidden Power before (I didn't like the ability to have any coverage on a whim, I'm ok with TB bc of the much higher opportunity cost, I know that's kind of contradictory but yeah lol) - I don't remember people complaining about it as much as they do Tera Blast now, am I mistaken?
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You are right, though personally I would have banned Hidden Power in every Gen, while I see Tera Blast mostly fine. Difference between the 2 are that Hidden Power is almost never Stab and just a coverage that every Mon can get. Meanwhile, Tera Blast actually gets Stab, but restricted to one Mon per battle. I see Hidden Power stronger and more annoying as a result, since it meant that if a Mon with x4 weakness becomes very strong (see: Swampert in Adv), it becomes way harder to use, since the opponents gonna bring 2 or 3 Mons with the specific Hidden Power the Mons fears.
Personally I like that Electric Mons for example are always walled by Grounds unless they have a second STAB or have something like Surf (Raichu). Or Tera Blast, which is an opportunity cost. The only opportunity cost Hidden Power brought is not using another different Hidden Power (which meant that Swampert + Flygon always walled a single Electric Mon). Therefore, I see Tera Blast as healthy, and Hidden Power undesirable to have, though at this point, everyone has adapted to it in old gens and it's there to stay.
 
JunkoAJ said:
I do understand that Tera Blast is much stronger than Hidden Power but as someone who didn't like Hidden Power before (I didn't like the ability to have any coverage on a whim, I'm ok with TB bc of the much higher opportunity cost, I know that's kind of contradictory but yeah lol) - I don't remember people complaining about it as much as they do Tera Blast now, am I mistaken?
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Well, one is a (I'm gonna talk in modern gen standards here) 60 base power special move, and the other one is 33% stronger and can be either be physical or special. And it's also stab so instead of 80 base power it's actually 120 (therefore, 100% stronger than Hidden Power base's strength).
 
Achohermano said:
Well, one is a (I'm gonna talk in modern gen standards here) 60 base power special move, and the other one is 33% stronger and can be either be physical or special. And it's also stab so instead of 80 base power it's actually 120 (therefore, 100% stronger than Hidden Power base's strength).
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Tera blast however is locked to one pokemon and your tera meaning if you use your tera on another Mon it's basically a 80bp normal move. Since it's locked to tera I don't find tera blast to be hard to deal with and I don't find trouble with hp in,say, smou
 
Achohermano said:
Well, one is a (I'm gonna talk in modern gen standards here) 60 base power special move, and the other one is 33% stronger and can be either be physical or special. And it's also stab so instead of 80 base power it's actually 120 (therefore, 100% stronger than Hidden Power base's strength).
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Yeah I did address that already, it was mostly about whether people disliked Hidden Power as well.
 
I create an account just for say this
CAN YOU FUCKING BAN GLISCOR, THIS SHIT IS SO BROKEN,HE JUST WIN IN VS 2 WATER POKE IN MY LAST GAME, THIS CANCERSHIT MAKE THE GAME HORRIBLE CAN YOU FIX THIS SHIT PLS AND NEVER UNBAN HIM, HE JUST EXIST FOR MAKE WIN TRASH PLAYER WHO CANT WIN WITHOUT HIM. ty for reading me
 
Torvikk said:
I create an account just for say this
CAN YOU FUCKING BAN GLISCOR, THIS SHIT IS SO BROKEN,HE JUST WIN IN VS 2 WATER POKE IN MY LAST GAME, THIS CANCERSHIT MAKE THE GAME HORRIBLE CAN YOU FIX THIS SHIT PLS AND NEVER UNBAN HIM, HE JUST EXIST FOR MAKE WIN TRASH PLAYER WHO CANT WIN WITHOUT HIM. ty for reading me
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Just put ice tera blast on a suprise pokemon bruh and then gliscor is out of the way for your sweeper that they were counting on using gliscor to check

Ez
 
Torvikk said:
I create an account just for say this
CAN YOU FUCKING BAN GLISCOR, THIS SHIT IS SO BROKEN,HE JUST WIN IN VS 2 WATER POKE IN MY LAST GAME, THIS CANCERSHIT MAKE THE GAME HORRIBLE CAN YOU FIX THIS SHIT PLS AND NEVER UNBAN HIM, HE JUST EXIST FOR MAKE WIN TRASH PLAYER WHO CANT WIN WITHOUT HIM. ty for reading me
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Gen 9 Gliscor is the best designed competitive mon ever fite me irl

What's the latest GFire adaptation that's got everyone panicking? Havent seen it much in low/mid ladder lol
 
Torvikk said:
I create an account just for say this
CAN YOU FUCKING BAN GLISCOR, THIS SHIT IS SO BROKEN,HE JUST WIN IN VS 2 WATER POKE IN MY LAST GAME, THIS CANCERSHIT MAKE THE GAME HORRIBLE CAN YOU FIX THIS SHIT PLS AND NEVER UNBAN HIM, HE JUST EXIST FOR MAKE WIN TRASH PLAYER WHO CANT WIN WITHOUT HIM. ty for reading me
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PM me if you want — would love to help go over your team or maybe your approach so that you can make Gliscor an easier battle. Do not think we need to call for bans on all the things that beat us.
 
Finchinator said:
PM me if you want — would love to help go over your team or maybe your approach so that you can make Gliscor an easier battle. Do not think we need to call for bans on all the things that beat us.
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goodnight sweet prince.
 
It's a glorious day when new copypasta drops in the OU thread

I've been cooking a bit and I'm trying shit with the UUBL mons. Does Moltres-Galar have any niche whatsoever? I've seen the Double Dance set but I know I saw some RestTalk max SpDef once somewhere, do you guys think about any niche for it?
 
Finchinator said:
We are likely going to survey those who qualified for the recent Official Ladder Tournament to help us determine the next tiering action we consider. Expect more in the coming week or two.
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Welp seems like Kyurem is probably our next suspect if this is anything to go by, and I have a feeling it might actually be banned this time with the amount of people who have recently switched up on it with these new innovations. We might finally have some change in this meta and i'm looking forward to it, especially if kyurem gets the boot this time, because that mon has gotten more and more busted and oppressive as time has went on, I will be more than glad to see it gone.
 
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