NFE National Dex NFE

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National Dex NFE
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NFE, or Not Fully Evolved is a metagame around the premise of only allowing pokemon that can still evolve. Unlike LC, this includes any stage 2 Pokemon that is able to evolve, rather than just Stage 1 Evolutions.​

Strategy
Eviolite or Eviolite? That is the question. Historically, the NFE metagame has mainly consisted of balance and bulky-offense teams that center around Eviolite, as it increases the bulk of non-fully evolved Pokemon by 50%, and by extension, moves like Knock Off, Thief, Covet, and Trick become very valuable for creating progress. However, other playstyles have also been very successful, with hazard stack and Sticky Web teams being especially notable due to the rarity of Heavy-Duty Boots. All in all, NFE is a wide-ranging metagame with a low power creep that offers an enjoyable experience for both beginners and competitive veterans alike.

However, the introduction of threats both old and new means that the metagame is doubtlessly going to evolve from here!
Please use this thread to discuss meta trends and new features that impact the Generation 9 National Dex NFE metagame!

Council
:machoke: db
:sealeo: sealoo
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seth
:krokorok: Velcroc (TL)
:electabuzz: zastra (TL)

Inactive Council
:monferno: blinkboy
:butterfree: Cao Jie

Banlist
Rules
: NFE allows any pokemon that is both unbanned from the tier, and can evolve in-game.
Clauses: Standard NDOU Clauses, Terastal Clause
:Basculin-White-Striped: Basculin-White-Striped
:bisharp: Bisharp
:chansey: Chansey
:doublade: Doublade
:Duraludon: Duraludon
:gligar: Gligar
:haunter: Haunter
:kadabra: Kadabra
:magneton: Magneton
:mr-mime-galar: Mr. Mime-Galar
:porygon2: Porygon2
:primeape: Primape
:Qwilfish-Hisui: Qwilfish-Hisui
:ursaring: Ursaring
:scyther: Scyther
:sneasel: Sneasel
:Sneasel-hisui: Sneasel-Hisui
:type-null: Type: Null
Unbans: Moody

Codes
/challenge gen9nationaldexag @@@ gen9nationaldex, Not Fully Evolved, -Basculin-white-striped, -Bisharp,-Chansey, -Combusken, -Doublade,-Duraludon, -Gligar, -Kadabra, -Haunter,-Magneton,-Mr. Mime Galar, -Porygon2,-Primeape,-Qwilfish-hisui,-Ursaring, -Scyther, -Sneasel, -Type: Null, +Moody
/tour new gen9nationaldexag, elim,,, [Gen 9] National Dex NFE
/tour autostart 7
/tour autodq 5
/tour rules gen9nationaldex, Not Fully Evolved, -Basculin-white-striped, -Bisharp,-Chansey,-Doublade,-Duraludon, -Gligar, -Kadabra, -Haunter,-Magneton,-Mr. Mime Galar, -Porygon2,-Primeape,-Qwilfish-hisui,-Ursaring, -Scyther, -Sneasel, -Type: Null, +Moody

Archive
NEW!
:Dipplin: Dipplin

S Rank
Reserved for Pokemon that are absolutely meta-defining. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

S
:piloswine: Piloswine [Eviolite, Choice Band, Icium Z]


A Rank
Reserved for Pokémon that perform extremely well in the metagame. These Pokémon are typically considered excellent Pokémon let down by a few faults, thus keeping them out of S Rank. They typically require more support than an S Rank Pokémon, but nonetheless are very effective.

A+
:electabuzz: Electabuzz [Fightium Z, Eviolite, No Item]
:golbat: Golbat [Eviolite]
:gurdurr: Gurdurr [Eviolite, Flame Orb]
:misdreavus: Misdreavus [Eviolite]
:qwilfish-hisui: Qwilfish-Hisui [Eviolite, Darkium Z, Poisonium Z, Waterium Z]
:wartortle: Wartortle [Eviolite]

A
:Frogadier: Frogadier [Eviolite, Focus Sash, Waterium Z, Heavy Duty Boots]
:raboot: Raboot [Choice Band, Fightium Z, Firium Z, Heavy Duty Boots]
:rhydon: Rhydon [Eviolite, Choice Scarf]
:servine: Servine [Eviolite]
:thwackey: Thwackey [Eviolite, Grassy Seed]

A-
:Corsola-Galar: Corsola-Galar [Eviolite]
:Duosion: Duosion [Eviolite]
:Sliggoo-Hisui: Sliggoo-Hisui [Eviolite, Steelium Z, Life Orb]
:Hattrem: Hattrem [Eviolite]
:Machoke: Machoke [Eviolite, Icium Z, Flame Orb]
:Magmar: Magmar [Fightium Z, Firium Z, Sitrus Berry, Eviolite, Heavy Duty Boots, No Item]
:Mareanie: Mareanie [Eviolite]
:Roselia: Roselia [Eviolite]
:tinkatuff: Tinkatuff [Eviolite]
:tangela: Tangela [Eviolite]
:vigoroth: Vigoroth [Eviolite]

B Rank
B Rank Pokémon are typically considered good, but overall quite niche, and require much more support than a Pokémon in A or S Rank. Their flaws are also much more prominent than Pokémon in S or A Rank, making them less effective overall

B+
:clefairy: Clefairy [Eviolite]
:crocalor: Crocalor [Eviolite]
:dunsparce: Dunsparce [Eviolite]
:fraxure: Fraxure [Eviolite, Steelium Z, Choice Band]
:gabite: Gabite [Eviolite]
:klang: Klang [Eviolite]
:lampent: Lampent [Choice Scarf]
:marshtomp: Marshtomp [Eviolite]
:monferno: Monferno [Electrium Z]
:naclstack: Naclstack [Eviolite]
:pawniard: Pawniard [Eviolite, Steelium Z]
:rufflet: Rufflet [Choice Band]
:vulpix: Vulpix [Heat Rock]

B
:combusken: Combusken [Eviolite, Firium Z]
:dartrix: Dartrix [Eviolite]
:drakloak: Drakloak [Eviolite]
:girafarig: Girafarig [Eviolite]
:glimmet: Glimmet [Eviolite, Focus Sash]
:hakamo-o: Hakammo-o [Eviolite, Steelium Z, Dragonium Z]
:ivysaur: Ivysaur [Eviolite]
:morgrem: Morgrem [Light Clay]
:quilladin: Quilladin [Eviolite]
:swirlix: Swirlix [Grassy Seed]

B-
:ferroseed: Ferroseed [Eviolite, Focus Sash]
:fletchinder: Fletchinder [Eviolite]
:Krokorok: Krokorok [Choice Scarf]
:magnemite: Magnemite [Eviolite]
:metang: Metang [Eviolite]
:murkrow: Murkrow [Eviolite, Choice Scarf]
:palpitoad: Palpitoad [Eviolite]
:quaxwell: Quaxwell [Eviolite]
:sliggoo: Sliggoo [Eviolite]
:toedscool: Toedscool [Eviolite]
:zweilous: Zweilous [Choice Band, Eviolite, Darkium Z]

C Rank
C Rank Pokémon are generally mediocre in the metagame. They typically require much more support than Pokémon higher up the viability rankings, although they can still be effective in the right circumstances.

C
:gastly: Gastly [Choice Scarf]
:lairon: Lairon [Eviolite]
:Mienfoo: Mienfoo [Choice Scarf]
:seadra: Seadra [Eviolite, Life Orb]
:vullaby: Vullaby [Eviolite]
◆ S Rank ◆
Reserved for Pokemon that are absolutely meta-defining. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.
:pmd/dipplin: Dipplin [Eviolite]
:pmd/electabuzz: Electabuzz [Fightinium Z / Eviolite / Heavy-Duty Boots]
:pmd/golbat: Golbat [Eviolite]
:pmd/magmar: Magmar [Choice Specs / Fightinium Z / Heavy-Duty Boots / Eviolite]

★★★ A Rank ★★★
Reserved for Pokemon that perform extremely well in the metagame. These Pokemon are typically considered excellent Pokemon let down by a few faults, thus keeping them out of S Rank. They typically require more support than an S Rank Pokemon, but nonetheless are very effective.

A+
:pmd/Frogadier: Frogadier [Focus Sash / Grassium Z / Heavy Duty Boots / Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/gurdurr: Gurdurr [Eviolite / Flame Orb]
:pmd/piloswine: Piloswine [Eviolite / Choice Band / Icium Z]
:pmd/servine: Servine [Eviolite / Normalium Z / Choice Scarf]

A
:pmd/corsola-Galar: Corsola-Galar [Eviolite]
:pmd/misdreavus: Misdreavus [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/pawniard: Pawniard [Eviolite / Steelium Z]
:pmd/quaxwell: Quaxwell [Eviolite]
:pmd/roselia: Roselia [Eviolite]
:pmd/thwackey: Thwackey [Eviolite / Grassy Seed / Choice Band]
:pmd/wartortle: Wartortle [Eviolite / Icium Z]

A-
:pmd/clefairy: Clefairy [Eviolite]
:pmd/crocalor: Crocalor [Eviolite]
:pmd/dunsparce: Dunsparce [Eviolite]
:pmd/duosion: Duosion [Eviolite]
:pmd/koffing: Koffing [Eviolite]
:pmd/machoke: Machoke [Eviolite / Icium Z / Flame Orb]
:pmd/marshtomp: Marshtomp [Eviolite]
:pmd/raboot: Raboot [Choice Band / Normalium Z / Heavy Duty Boots / Fightinium Z / Eviolite]
:pmd/rhydon: Rhydon [Buginium Z / Eviolite / Choice Scarf / Focus Sash]
:pmd/tangela: Tangela [Eviolite / Life Orb]
:pmd/tinkatuff: Tinkatuff [Eviolite / Air Balloon]

★★ B Rank ★★
B Rank Pokemon are typically considered good, but overall quite niche, and require much more support than a Pokemon in A or S Rank. Their flaws are also much more prominent than Pokemon in S or A Rank, making them less effective overall

B+
:pmd/ferroseed: Ferroseed [Eviolite / Focus Sash]
:pmd/fraxure: Fraxure [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Choice Band]
:pmd/gabite: Gabite [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/girafarig: Girafarig [Eviolite]
:pmd/hattrem: Hattrem [Eviolite]
:pmd/vigoroth: Vigoroth [Eviolite]

B
:pmd/drakloak: Drakloak [Eviolite]
:pmd/ivysaur: Ivysaur [Eviolite / Life Orb]
:pmd/klang: Klang [Eviolite]
:pmd/lampent: Lampent [Choice Scarf]
:pmd/linoone-galar: Galarian Linoone [Toxic Orb / Eviolite]
:pmd/mareanie: Mareanie [Eviolite]
:pmd/monferno: Monferno [Electrium Z / Eviolite]
:pmd/morgrem: Morgrem [Light Clay]
:pmd/naclstack: Naclstack [Eviolite]
:pmd/rufflet: Rufflet [Choice Band / Eviolite]
:pmd/sliggoo-Hisui: Sliggoo-Hisui [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Life Orb]
:pmd/toedscool: Toedscool [Eviolite]
:pmd/vullaby: Vullaby [Eviolite]
:pmd/vulpix: Vulpix [Heat Rock]

B-
:pmd/glimmet: Glimmet [Focus Sash]
:pmd/hakamo-o: Hakammo-o [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Dragonium Z]
:pmd/lairon: Lairon [Eviolite / Choice Band]
:pmd/metang: Metang [Eviolite]
:pmd/swirlix: Swirlix [Grassy Seed]
:pmd/zweilous: Zweilous [Choice Band / Eviolite / Darkinium Z]

★ C Rank ★
C Rank Pokemon are generally mediocre in the metagame. They typically require much more support than Pokemon higher up the viability rankings, although they can still be effective in the right circumstances.
C+
:pmd/combusken: Combusken [Electrium Z / Fightinium Z / Eviolite]
:pmd/dartrix: Dartrix [Eviolite]
:pmd/krokorok: Krokorok [Choice Scarf]
:pmd/mienfoo: Mienfoo [Choice Scarf]

C
:pmd/fletchinder: Fletchinder [Eviolite]
:pmd/gastly: Gastly [Choice Scarf / Choice Specs]
:pmd/magnemite: Magnemite [Eviolite]
:pmd/quilladin: Quilladin [Eviolite]
:pmd/seadra: Seadra [Eviolite / Waterium Z / Icium Z]
:pmd/sliggoo: Sliggoo [Eviolite]
:pmd/vibrava: Vibrava [Eviolite]

NEW!
These Pokemon have just been released, either through a council unban or DLC. They're too "new" for the council to accurately judge the viability rank, and are thus left in this category for now. However, an estimated ranking is given, based on the opinion of the TL(s) and not the whole council. They'll be ranked in due course of time.

:pmd/Pikachu: Pikachu [Light Ball] (estimated ranking: somewhere between B+ to A-)


  • This list is based on the opinions of the members of the council. Voting sheet can be found here.
  • The list is arranged in alphabetical order.
  • The most "viable" items are in bold letters.
  • This list is not set in stone! Feel free to post your nominations in this thread; however, make sure to back your opinion with facts and an actual analysis of the metagame. Replays are encouraged. UR nominations are especially encouraged. Based on the quality of your nomination, we may even hold an emergency slate.
  • We will not be doing D Ranks.
  • The VR will be updated periodically in council 'slates'.
:qwilfish-hisui::hattrem::gurdurr::vigoroth::quilladin::piloswine:- Qwilfish-Hisui Balance by zastra
:qwilfish-hisui::wartortle::frogadier::servine::tinkatuff::gabite:- Spikes Frogadier+Tinkatuff BO by pannu
:frogadier::thwackey::pawniard::misdreavus::raboot::wartortle:- Normalium Z Raboot+Shell Smash Wartortle Spikes HO by sealoo
:piloswine::electabuzz::tangela::mareanie::pawniard::corsola-galar:- Fightium Z Electabuzz Balance by sealoo
:pmd/duosion::pmd/gurdurr::pmd/golbat::pmd/servine::pmd/misdreavus::pmd/pawniard: - Duosion BO by zastra
:pmd/frogadier::pmd/pawniard::pmd/roselia::pmd/rhydon::pmd/gurdurr::pmd/electabuzz: - Dual Spikes by hidin + Cao Jie

Tiering Log
May 5, 2023 - Kadabra is quickbanned
June 2, 2023 - Basculin-White-Striped and Sneasel-Hisui are quickbanned
June 10, 2023 - Pikachu is quickbanned
October 14, 2023 - Qwilfish-Hisui is quickbanned
December 20, 2023 - Duraludon is quickbanned
March 6, 2024 - Pikachu is unbanned
September 8, 2024 - Combusken is banned via suspect
 
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Viability Rankings [UP-TO-DATE!]
(9 February, 2025)

◆ S Rank ◆
Reserved for Pokemon that are absolutely meta-defining. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

:pmd/electabuzz: Electabuzz [Fightinium Z / Eviolite / Heavy-Duty Boots]

★★★ A Rank ★★★
Reserved for Pokemon that perform extremely well in the metagame. These Pokemon are typically considered excellent Pokemon let down by a few faults, thus keeping them out of S Rank. They typically require more support than an S Rank Pokemon, but nonetheless are very effective.

A+
:pmd/golbat: Golbat [Eviolite]
:pmd/gurdurr: Gurdurr [Eviolite]
:pmd/magmar: Magmar [Firium Z / Heavy-Duty Boots / Sitrus Berry]
:pmd/piloswine: Piloswine [Eviolite]
:pmd/roselia: Roselia [Eviolite / Choice Specs]

A
:pmd/corsola-galar: Corsola-Galar [Eviolite]
:pmd/frogadier: Frogadier [Grassium Z / Heavy Duty Boots / Eviolite / Focus Sash / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/pawniard: Pawniard [Eviolite / Steelium Z / Choice Band]
:pmd/quaxwell: Quaxwell [Eviolite]
:pmd/servine: Servine [Eviolite / Normalium Z]
:pmd/wartortle: Wartortle [Eviolite]

A-
:pmd/dunsparce: Dunsparce [Eviolite]
:pmd/ferroseed: Ferroseed [Eviolite]
:pmd/fraxure: Fraxure [Eviolite / Dragonium Z]
:pmd/gabite: Gabite [Eviolite / Choice Scarf / Dragonium Z]
:pmd/ivysaur: Ivysaur [Eviolite / Life Orb]
:pmd/marshtomp: Marshtomp [Eviolite]
:pmd/Pikachu: Pikachu [Light Ball]
:pmd/rhydon: Rhydon [Eviolite / Buginium Z]
:pmd/tangela: Tangela [Eviolite / Normalium Z / Life Orb]
:pmd/thwackey: Thwackey [Eviolite / Grassy Seed / Choice Band]
:pmd/vulpix: Vulpix [Heat Rock]

★★ B Rank ★★
B Rank Pokemon are typically considered good, but overall quite niche, and require much more support than a Pokemon in A or S Rank. Their flaws are also much more prominent than Pokemon in S or A Rank, making them less effective overall

B+
:pmd/clefairy: Clefairy [Eviolite]
:pmd/dipplin: Dipplin [Eviolite]
:pmd/duosion: Duosion [Eviolite]
:pmd/girafarig: Girafarig [Eviolite / Choice Specs / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/koffing: Koffing [Eviolite]
:pmd/machoke: Machoke [Flame Orb / Eviolite]
:pmd/misdreavus: Misdreavus [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/raboot: Raboot [Choice Band / Normalium Z / Heavy Duty Boots]
:pmd/tinkatuff: Tinkatuff [Eviolite]
:pmd/vigoroth: Vigoroth [Eviolite]
:pmd/vullaby: Vullaby [Eviolite]

B
:pmd/crocalor: Crocalor [Eviolite]
:pmd/hakamo-o: Hakamo-o [Eviolite / Dragonium Z]
:pmd/hattrem: Hattrem [Eviolite]
:pmd/lampent: Lampent [Choice Specs / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/mareanie: Mareanie [Eviolite]
:pmd/monferno: Monferno [Eviolite / Fightium Z / Electrium Z]
:pmd/naclstack: Naclstack [Eviolite]
:pmd/rufflet: Rufflet [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/sliggoo-hisui: Sliggoo-Hisui [Eviolite]

B-
:pmd/klang: Klang [Eviolite / Normalium Z]
:pmd/lairon: Lairon [Choice Band]
:pmd/linoone-galar: Linoone-Galar [Toxic Orb / Eviolite]
:pmd/prinplup: Prinplup [Eviolite]
:pmd/quilladin: Quilladin [Eviolite]
:pmd/toedscool: Toedscool [Eviolite]
:pmd/vibrava: Vibrava [Eviolite]

★ C Rank
C Rank Pokemon are generally mediocre in the metagame. They typically require much more support than Pokemon higher up the viability rankings, although they can still be effective in the right circumstances.
C+
:pmd/drakloak: Drakloak [Eviolite]
:pmd/morgrem: Morgrem [Light Clay]
:pmd/zweilous: Zweilous [Choice Band]

C
:pmd/dartrix: Dartrix [Eviolite]
:pmd/fletchinder: Fletchinder [Heavy-Duty Boots]
:pmd/glimmet: Glimmet [Eviolite]
:pmd/metang: Metang [Choice Scarf / Eviolite]
:pmd/seadra: Seadra [Eviolite]
:pmd/swirlix: Swirlix [Grassy Seed]

C-
:pmd/gastly: Gastly [Choice Scarf]
:pmd/krokorok: Krokorok [Eviolite / Choice Scarf]
:pmd/magnemite: Magnemite [Eviolite]
:pmd/mienfoo: Mienfoo [Choice Scarf / Eviolite]

NEW!
These Pokemon have just been released, either through a council unban or DLC. They're too "new" for the council to accurately judge the viability rank, and are thus left in this category for now. However, an estimated ranking is given, based on the opinion of the TL(s) and not the whole council. They'll be ranked in due course of time.

NONE ATM!


  • This list is based on the opinions of the members of the council. Voting sheet can be found here.
  • The list is arranged in alphabetical order.
  • The most "viable" items are in bold letters.
  • This list is not set in stone! Feel free to post your nominations in this thread; however, make sure to back your opinion with facts and an actual analysis of the metagame. Replays are encouraged. UR nominations are especially encouraged. Based on the quality of your nomination, we may even hold an emergency slate.
  • We will not be doing D Ranks.
  • The VR will be updated periodically in council 'slates'.
 
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Role Compendium [MAY NOT BE FULLY UP-TO-DATE, WILL BE UPDATED IN DUE TIME! PLEASE BE PATIENT!]
(format stolen from 5Dots's SV NFE version)

★ Entry Hazard Setters ★

Stealth Rock:
:tinkatuff:
:gabite:
:dunsparce:
:pawniard:
:glimmet:
:krokorok:
:Piloswine:
:Naclstack:
:Clefairy:
:Metang:
:Marshtomp:
:ferroseed:
:rhydon:

Spikes:
:frogadier:
:toedscool:
:glimmet:
:quilladin:
:roselia:
:ferroseed:

Toxic Spikes:
:frogadier:
:toedscool:
:mareanie:
:glimmet:
:Koffing:
:roselia:


★ Entry Hazard Removal / Deterrents ★

Defog:
:dartrix:
:fletchinder:
:Vullaby:
:gurdurr:
:servine:
:golbat:

Rapid Spin:
:toedscool:
:quaxwell:
:wartortle:

Magic Bounce:
:hattrem:

Defiant / Contrary:
:pawniard:
:servine:

Spinblockers:
:drakloak:
:Misdreavus:
:Lampent:


★ Setup move users ★

Swords Dance:
:tinkatuff:
:gabite:
:dartrix:
:raboot:
:fraxure:
:pawniard:
:thwackey:
:Hakamo-O:
:Monferno:
:combusken:

Nasty Plot:
:pikachu:
:girafarig:
:morgrem:
:Misdreavus:
:Monferno:

Calm Mind:
:dunsparce:
:girafarig:
:hattrem:
:braixen:
:Clefairy:
:Dusclops:
:Stantler:
:Lampent:
:Duosion:

Dragon Dance:
:Fraxure:
:Hakamo-O:

Bulk Up:
:vigoroth:
:rufflet:
:Hakamo-O:
:Raboot:
:Monferno:
:Electabuzz:
:gurdurr:
:machoke:

Coil:
:dunsparce:

Curse:
:Naclstack:
:Munchlax:

Iron Defense / Acid Armor:
:Naclstack:
:Duosion:

Moody:
:snorunt:

Shell Smash:
:Wartortle:

Speed Boost:
:Combusken:

Belly Drum:
:magmar:

★ Wallbreakers ★

Physical:
:gabite:
:raboot:
:fraxure:
:pikachu:
:meditite:
:thwackey:
:rufflet:
:Piloswine:
:Monferno:
:rhydon:
:pawniard:
:gurdurr:

Special:
:frogadier:
:girafarig:
:pikachu:
:gastly:
:Lampent:
:Misdreavus:
:Electabuzz:
:Duosion:
:magmar:

Mixed:
:pikachu:
:electabuzz:
:magmar:


★ Revenge Killers ★

Choice Scarf:
:frogadier:
:gabite:
:girafarig:
:meditite:
:krokorok:
:Servine:
:Misdreavus:
:mienfoo:
:rhydon:
:lampent:
:gastly:

Priority:
:raboot:
:fraxure:
:meditite:
:pawniard:
:Thwackey:
:Pikachu:
:Monferno:
:Piloswine:
:gurdurr:

Naturally Fast:
:drakloak:
:frogadier:
:raboot:
:vigoroth:
:pikachu:
:Electabuzz:
:magmar:
:golbat:


★ Walls ★

Physical:
:gabite:
:dartrix:
:mareanie:
:crocalor:
:fletchinder:
:quaxwell:
:Vullaby:
:tangela:
:dipplin:
:golbat:
:Koffing:

Special:
:tinkatuff:
:toedscool:
:crocalor:
:Clefairy:
:Vullaby:
:servine:
:golbat:

Mixed:
:dunsparce:
:vigoroth:
:Vullaby:
:golbat:


★ Momentum ★

U-turn:
:drakloak:
:frogadier:
:raboot:
:fletchinder:
:thwackey:
:rufflet:
:Monferno:
:Mienfoo:
:Vullaby:
:Vibrava:
:golbat:

Volt Switch:
:pikachu:
:Magnemite:
:Electabuzz:
:Charjabug:

Flip Turn:
:quaxwell: :wartortle:
Parting Shot:
:morgrem:

Memento:
:glimmet:
:Koffing:
:Misdreavus:


★ Utility ★

Knock Off / Thief / Covet:
:tinkatuff:
:dartrix:
:toedscool:
:pawniard:
:thwackey:
:krokorok:
:Gligar:
:Pikachu:
:Clefairy:
:Krokorok:
:Vigoroth:
:Vullaby:
:Electabuzz:
:magmar:
:gurdurr:
:servine:
:koffing:

Trick / Switcheroo:
:girafarig:
:meditite:
:Clefairy:
:Misdreavus:
:Frogadier:
:Monferno:
:Metang:
:linoone-galar:
:lampent:
:gastly:

Other:
:braixen:
(Magician) :tinkatuff: (Pickpocket)
Roar / Whirlwind:
:crocalor:
:Piloswine:
:golbat:
:gabite:

Dragon Tail:
:drakloak:
:gabite:
:Zweilous:

Toxic:
:toedscool:
:mareanie:
:Ivysaur:
:vullaby:
:wartortle:
:golbat:
:gabite:

Will-O-Wisp:
:Misdreavus:
:Dusclops:
:Monferno:
:magmar:

Thunder Wave / Nuzzle:
:tinkatuff:
:drakloak:
:dunsparce:
:hattrem:
:Clefairy:
:Misdreavus:
:Duosion:

Haze:
:Dusclops:
:mareanie:
:dartrix:

Unaware:
:crocalor:

Healing Wish:
:hattrem:
:Clefairy:
 
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Speed Tiers
(s/o Velcroc)

The objective of this thread is to lay out a visual list of all relevant speed tiers in the National Dex NFE metagame. Majority of the Pokemon listed here are ranked in the viability rankings with a few exceptions, and some niche sets are included for sake of completeness. Feel free to suggest more speed tiers, but do avoid highly specific speed creeps.

SpeedSpritePokemonBaseNatureIVsEVs±
578:gabite:Gabite82Positive31252+2
542:krokorok:Krokorok74Positive31252+2
526:gabite:Gabite82Neutral31252+2
512:fraxure:Fraxure67Positive31252+2
502:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Positive31252+2
494:krokorok:Krokorok74Neutral31252+2
492:Linoone-Galar:Linoone-Galar100Positive31252+1
483:frogadier:Frogadier97Positive31252+1
480:Tangela:Tangela60Positive31252+2
480:Ivysaur:Ivysaur60Positive31252+2
472:wartortle:Wartortle58Positive31252+2
466:fraxure:Fraxure67Neutral31252+2
458:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral31252+2
442:girafarig:Girafarig85Positive31252+1
448:Linoone-Galar:Linoone-Galar100Neutral31252+1
442:Misdreavus:Misdreavus85Positive31252+1
438:Tangela:Tangela60Neutral31252+2
438:Ivysaur:Ivysaur60Neutral31252+2
436:Servine:Servine83Positive31252+1
433:gabite:Gabite82Positive31252+1
430:wartortle:Wartortle58Neutral31252+2
426:gastly:Gastly80Positive31252+1
406:krokorok:Krokorok74Positive31252+1
403:girafarig:Girafarig85Neutral31252+1
403:Misdreavus:Misdreavus85Neutral31252+1
400:kubfu:Kubfu72Positive31252+1
397:Servine:Servine83Neutral31252+1
394:gabite:Gabite82Neutral31252+1
392:rhydon:Rhydon40Positive31252+2
384:fraxure:Fraxure67Positive31252+1
376:mienfoo:Mienfoo65Positive31252+1
376:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Positive31252+1
376:grotle:Grotle36Positive31252+2
370:krokorok:Krokorok74Neutral31252+1
364:kubfu:Kubfu72Neutral31252+1
360:meditite:Meditite60Positive31252+1
358:rhydon:Rhydon40Neutral31252+2
358:clamperl:Clamperl32Positive31252+2
352:toedscool:Toedscool70Neutral310+2
349:fraxure:Fraxure67Neutral31252+1
343:lampent:Lampent55Positive31252+1
343:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral31252+1
342:grotle:Grotle36Neutral31252+2
339:Electabuzz:Electabuzz105Positive312520
333:drakloak:Drakloak102Positive312520
332:quaxwell:Quaxwell65Neutral310+2
328:linoone-galar:Linoone-Galar100Positive312520
328:meditite:Meditite60Neutral31252+1
326:clamperl:Clamperl32Neutral31252+2
322:frogadier:Frogadier97Positive312520
315:raboot:Raboot94Positive312520
313:magmar:Magmar93Positive312520
306:golbat:Golbat90Positive312520
306:Pikachu:Pikachu90Positive312520
306:vigoroth:Vigoroth90Positive312520
304:wartortle:Wartortle58Neutral310+2
303:drakloak:Drakloak102Neutral312520
299:linoone-galar:Linoone-Galar100Neutral312520
295:girafarig:Girafarig85Positive312520
295:misdreavus:Misdreavus85Positive312520
295:seadra:Seadra85Positive312520
294:rhydon:Rhydon40Positive31252+1
293:fletchinder:Fletchinder84Positive312520
293:frogadier:Frogadier97Neutral312520
291:servine:Servine83Positive312520
289:gabite:Gabite82Positive312520
287:monferno:Monferno81Positive312520
287:raboot:Raboot94Neutral312520
285:magmar:Magmar93Neutral312520
284:thwackey:Thwackey80Positive312520
284:gastly:Gastly80Positive312520
279:golbat:Golbat90Neutral312520
279:Pikachu:Pikachu90Neutral312520
279:vigoroth:Vigoroth90Neutral312520
271:krokorok:Krokorok74Positive312520
269:girafarig:Girafarig85Neutral312520
269:misdreavus:Misdreavus85Neutral312520
269:seadra:Seadra85Neutral312520
268:rhydon:Rhydon40Neutral31252+1
267:kubfu:Kubfu72Positive312520
267:fletchinder:Fletchinder84Neutral312520
265:servine:Servine83Neutral312520
264:toedscool:Toedscool70Neutral310+1
263:gabite:Gabite82Neutral312520
262:toedscool:Toedscool70Positive312520
262:vibrava:Vibrava70Positive312520
262:morgrem:Morgrem70Positive312520
261:monferno:Monferno81Neutral312520
259:thwackey:Thwackey80Neutral312520
256:fraxure:Fraxure67Positive312520
255:tinkatuff:Tinkatuff78Neutral312520
251:roselia:Roselia65Positive312520
251:quaxwell:Quaxwell65Positive312520
251:vulpix:Vulpix65Positive312520
251:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Positive312520
251:mienfoo:Mienfoo65Positive312520
249:quaxwell:Quaxwell65Neutral310+1
247:krokorok:Krokorok74Neutral312520
243:kubfu:Kubfu72Neutral312520
240:pawniard:Pawniard60Positive312520
240:ivysaur:Ivysaur60Positive312520
240:tangela:Tangela60Positive312520
240:rufflet:Rufflet60Positive312520
240:glimmet:Glimmet60Positive312520
240:meditite:Meditite60Positive312520
239:toedscool:Toedscool70Neutral312520
239:vibrava:Vibrava70Neutral312520
239:morgrem:Morgrem70Neutral312520
236:wartortle:Wartortle58Positive312520
236:zweilous:Zweilous58Positive312520
234:quilladin:Quilladin57Positive312520
233:fraxure:Fraxure67Neutral312520
229:lampent:Lampent55Positive312520
229:roselia:Roselia65Neutral312520
229:quaxwell:Quaxwell65Neutral312520
229:vulpix:Vulpix65Neutral312520
229:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral312520
228:wartortle:Wartortle58Neutral310+1
223:dartrix:Dartrix52Positive312520
219:pawniard:Pawniard60Neutral312520
219:ivysaur:Ivysaur60Neutral312520
219:tangela:Tangela60Neutral312520
219:rufflet:Rufflet60Neutral312520
219:glimmet:Glimmet60Neutral312520
219:meditite:Meditite60Neutral312520
218:piloswine:Piloswine50Positive312520
218:prinplup:Prinplup50Positive312520
218:metang:Metang50Positive312520
216:swirlix:Mwirlix49Positive312520
216:golbat:Golbat90Neutral3100
216:vigoroth:Vigoroth90Neutral3100
215:wartortle:Wartortle58Neutral312520
215:zweilous:Zweilous58Neutral312520
213:quilladin:Quilladin57Neutral312520
209:lampent:Lampent55Neutral312520
207:dunsparce:Dunsparce45Positive312520
207:machoke:Machoke45Positive312520
207:magnemite:Magnemite45Positive312520
206:misdreavus:Misdreavus85Neutral3100
206:seadra:Seadra85Neutral3100
204:fletchinder:Fletchinder84Neutral3100
203:dartrix:Dartrix52Neutral312520
202:servine:Servine83Neutral3100
200:gabite:Gabite82Neutral3100
199:piloswine:Piloswine50Neutral312520
199:prinplup:Prinplup50Neutral312520
199:metang:Metang50Neutral312520
198:monferno:Monferno81Neutral3100
197:swirlix:Swirlix49Neutral312520
196:gurdurr:Gurdurr40Positive312520
196:rhydon:Rhydon40Positive312520
192:tinkatuff:Tinkatuff78Neutral3100
189:dunsparce:Dunsparce45Neutral312520
189:machoke:Machoke45Neutral312520
189:magnemite:Magnemite45Neutral312520
184:krokorok:Krokorok74Neutral3100
179:gurdurr:Gurdurr40Neutral312520
179:lairon:Lairon40Neutral312520
179:rhydon:Rhydon40Neutral312520
179:sliggoo-hisui:Sliggoo-Hisui40Neutral312520
176:toedscool:Toedscool70Neutral3100
176:vibrava:Vibrava70Neutral3100
176:morgrem:Morgrem70Neutral3100
166:roselia:Roselia65Neutral3100
166:quaxwell:Quaxwell65Neutral3100
166:hakamo-o:Hakamo-o65Neutral3100
156:ivysaur:Ivysaur60Neutral3100
156:tangela:Tangela60Neutral3100
156:vullaby:Vullaby60Neutral3100
156:glimmet:Glimmet60Neutral3100
152:wartortle:Wartortle58Neutral3100
150:quilladin:Quilladin57Neutral3100
140:dartrix:Dartrix52Neutral3100
136:piloswine:Piloswine50Neutral3100
136:marshtomp:Marshtomp50Neutral3100
136:klang:Klang50Neutral3100
136:prinplup:Prinplup50Neutral3100
136:metang:Metang50Neutral3100
134:crocalor:Crocalor49Neutral3100
134:hattrem:Hattrem49Neutral3100
126:dunsparce:Dunsparce45Neutral3100
126:machoke:Machoke45Neutral3100
126:mareanie:Mareanie45Neutral3100
116:gurdurr:Gurdurr40Neutral3100
116:rhydon:Rhydon40Neutral3100
116:dipplin:Dipplin40Neutral3100
116:sliggoo-hisui:Sliggoo-Hisui40Neutral3100
116:lairon:Lairon40Neutral3100
106:clefairy:Clefairy35Neutral3100
106:koffing:Koffing35Neutral3100
106:naclstack:Naclstack35Neutral3100
96:corsola-galar:Corsola-Galar30Neutral3100
96:duosion:Duosion30Neutral3100
71:naclstack:Naclstack35Neutral310-1
56:ferroseed:Ferroseed10Neutral3100
53:naclstack:Naclstack35Neutral310-2
22:ferroseed:Ferroseed10Negative000
 
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Hi, it's time for the post-NFEPL regular season survey! Anyone who has been involved with ND NFE in any capacity may respond (even support for the team tours), and we will be taking a particularly close look at those who have played or are playing (gamecount>1) NFEPL / NDOTSL / Seasonal.

While there's no strict deadline (results will be out sometime this weekend), the council will be reading responses as they come in, so please respond as soon as possible. It only takes a few minutes to complete, so please do so if you are invested in our metagame!

HERE is the third ND NFE tiering survey. Please respond!!!

 
Following the recent tiering survey and discussions, the council has decided to take action on 2 of the most controversial 'mons of the tier.

Electabuzz and Combusken are being tested!
:sv/electabuzz: :sv/combusken:

I'll not make reasonings overly lengthy, but if anyone wants further explanation feel free to DM me
:pmd/electabuzz:
To nobody's surprise, Electabuzz scored the highest numbers in the recent survey. With its blazing Speed tier and amazing movepool, Electabuzz has cemented itself as one of the most dangerous 'mons in the tier, something to be very wary of while teambuilding. There's no 'one true counter' to Electabuzz, being able to tech past, say, Ground-types with Z Fightium / HP Grass / HP Ice, Roselia with Knock Off + Psychic, and bulkier 'mons like Corsola-G with Toxic — though against non-Ground-types, Knock Off + Volt Switch is usually pressuring enough. While Electabuzz is not something you'd expect to win games on its own, it can definitely blow a few holes in the opposing team and influence teambuilding to a great degree. Now the question here is: Is Electabuzz overcentralizing and an absolute strain on teambuilding that should be banished from the tier, or is it a healthy 'mon that can be adapted to and something whose positives outweigh its negatives?

:pmd/combusken:
It's really funny to see Combusken here because its been around forever in the tier, in say, the B ranks of the VR. Combusken is a recent development, but it's a threat that cannot be ignored, or it can absolutely destroy you. The combination of SD + Speed Boost, basically perfect coverage, and the ability to resist almost all common forms of priority makes Combusken a phenomenal sweeper. Oh wait there's more! How can I forget the funny Z Moves (usually Firium Z, to some extent Fightium and Electrium), which quite literally gives the chicken unparalleled firepower? Overall, it's a ridiculous 'mon that is extremely hard to prepare against and contain in-game. However, it's still not 'perfect', as it's quite frail and against aggressive plays or offensive pressure, may have trouble setting up. Even though it wasn't on the recent survey, we've been getting complaints lately and we felt it's still more than noteworthy enough to warrant a test.


As for the suspect itself, after discussing with NDOT staff and within the council, we have decided to use the following requirements to determine qualified voters (meeting one or more of these requirements qualifies you for voting):
  • Won a minimum of 3 games in NFEPL
  • Played 3 weeks in NDOTSL and won a minimum of 2 games
  • Was top 4 in ND NFE Seasonal
If you qualify and don't see yourself in this list, please let me know.

A majority of 50%+1 will be required to ban these Pokemon, meaning 4/6 ban votes.
Voting will be closed on 8 August, Sunday, at 3 PM GMT+0, but will close earlier if a decision has conclusively been reached.

Wanted to get this up quick because of NDOTSL, I'll post survey results in the coming day or two.
 
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Following the recent tiering survey and discussions, the council has decided to take action on 2 of the most controversial 'mons of the tier.

Electabuzz and Combusken are being tested!
:sv/electabuzz: :sv/combusken:

I'll not make reasonings overly lengthy, but if anyone wants further explanation feel free to DM me
:pmd/electabuzz:
To nobody's surprise, Electabuzz scored the highest numbers in the recent survey. With its blazing Speed tier and amazing movepool, Electabuzz has cemented itself as one of the most dangerous 'mons in the tier, something to be very wary of while teambuilding. There's no 'one true counter' to Electabuzz, being able to tech past, say, Ground-types with Z Fightium / HP Grass / HP Ice, Roselia with Knock Off + Psychic, and bulkier 'mons like Corsola-G with Toxic — though against non-Ground-types, Knock Off + Volt Switch is usually pressuring enough. While Electabuzz is not something you'd expect to win games on its own, it can definitely blow a few holes in the opposing team and influence teambuilding to a great degree. Now the question here is: Is Electabuzz overcentralizing and an absolute strain on teambuilding that should be banished from the tier, or is it a healthy 'mon that can be adapted to and something whose positives outweigh its negatives?

:pmd/combusken:
It's really funny to see Combusken here because its been around forever in the tier, in say, the B ranks of the VR. Combusken is a recent development, but it's a threat that cannot be ignored, or it can absolutely destroy you. The combination of SD + Speed Boost, basically perfect coverage, and the ability to resist almost all common forms of priority makes Combusken a phenomenal sweeper. Oh wait there's more! How can I forget the funny Z Moves (usually Firium Z, to some extent Fightium and Electrium), which quite literally gives the chicken unparalleled firepower? Overall, it's a ridiculous 'mon that is extremely hard to prepare against and contain in-game. However, it's still not 'perfect', as it's quite frail and against aggressive plays or offensive pressure, may have trouble setting up. Even though it wasn't on the recent survey, we've been getting complaints lately and we felt it's still more than noteworthy enough to warrant a test.


As for the suspect itself, after discussing with NDOT staff and within the council, we have decided to use the following requirements to determine qualified voters (meeting one or more of these requirements qualifies you for voting):
  • Won a minimum of 3 games in NFEPL
  • Played 3 weeks in NDOTSL and won a minimum of 2 games
  • Was top 4 in ND NFE Seasonal
A majority of 50%+1 will be required to ban Hisuian Qwilfish, meaning 4/6 ban votes.
Voting will be closed on 8 August, Sunday, at 3 PM GMT+0, but will close earlier if a decision has conclusively been reached.

Wanted to get this up quick because of NDOTSL, I'll post survey results in the coming day or two.
think i speak for everyone when i say no one thought combusken should get suspected/is broken. hidin sealoo seth
 
The ND NFE suspect voting has concluded. Thank you to everyone who voted and to zastra for organizing it. The vote is as follows

Electabuzz
Ban: 3/6 (=50%)

Combusken
Ban: 6/6 (=100%)

With a 100% majority, Combusken is now banned from ND NFE! Since Electabuzz did not reach the 50% + 1 threshold, it remains unbanned.

The challenge code in the thread has been updated. This ban will come in to effect Week 5 NDOTSL and in the ND NFE Seasonal Grand Finals.

If you have any inquiries, ping me in the NFE channel in the National Dex Other Metagames discord or send me a private message on Smogon.
 
hey everyone, in light of nfe olympiad the council has finally updated the VR!! as for council changes, Cao Jie has been added to the inactive list for prolonged inactivity, but we sincerely thank them for their contributions over the months. in their place, resident baldie seth has joined the council! welcome aboard! now as for the vr:

Rises
:Ferroseed: Ferroseed rose from B+ to A-
:Fraxure: Fraxure rose from B+ to A-
:Gabite: Gabite rose from B+ to A-
:Hakamo-o: Hakamo-o rose from B- to B
:Ivysaur: Ivysaur rose from B to A-
:Prinplup: Prinplup rose from UR to B-
:Quilladin: Quilladin rose from C to B-
:Roselia: Roselia rose from A to A+
:Vibrava: Vibrava rose from C to B-
:Vullaby: Vullaby rose from B to B+
:Vulpix: Vulpix rose from B to A-
:Pikachu: Pikachu rose from NEW to A-

Drops
:Golbat: Golbat fell from S to A+
:Misdreavus: Misdreavus fell from A to B+
:Frogadier: Frogadier fell from A+ to A
:Raboot: Raboot fell from A- to B+
:Servine: Servine fell from A+ to A
:Thwackey: Thwackey fell from A to A-
:Duosion: Duosion fell from A- to B+
:Hattrem: Hattrem fell from B+ to B
:Machoke: Machoke fell from A- to B+
:Magmar: Magmar fell from S to A+
:Tinkatuff: Tinkatuff fell from A- to B+
:Crocalor: Crocalor fell from A- to B
:Klang: Klang fell from B to B-
:Clefairy: Clefairy fell from A- to B+
:Dartrix: Dartrix fell from C+ to C
:Drakloak: Drakloak fell from B to C+
:Glimmet: Glimmet fell from B- to C
:Swirlix: Swirlix fell from B- to C
:Linoone-Galar: Linoone-Galar fell from B to B-
:Morgrem: Morgrem fell from B to C+
:Magnemite: Magnemite fell from C to C-
:Sliggoo: Sliggoo fell from C to UR
:Toedscool: Toedscool fell from B to B-
:Zweilous: Zweilous fell from B- to C+
:Metang: Metang fell from B- to C
:Krokorok: Krokorok fell from C+ to C-
:Mienfoo: Mienfoo fell from C+ to C-
:Gastly: Gastly fell from C to C-
:Dipplin: Dipplin fell from S to B+
:Koffing: Koffing fell from A- to B+

Click HERE for Voting sheet.

vr changes are live in the original vr post

we may have unintentionally missed some mons, dont hesitate to mention them if u catch any! no explanations this time, but if u have any questions about rankings feel free to post in this thread

samples and other resources will be updated after NFEOL
 
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