That's why I have come to accept that it's more of a "me" problem, because I struggle against it late game more than early game.
How are these not shots at gen 8
The problem with the current state of hazards isn't the setters; it's the tools people have to keep hazards up. Gholdengo comprises a solid 60% of the issues with the hazard meta, with 30% being the complete lack of viable hazard removal (the other 10% is gliscor). Glimmora wants to be a hazard setter but it also wants to be a wallbreaker with pherb meteor beam AND hazard removal with mortal spin, and it can use rocks but realistically it's only going to get rocks up once without focus sash (not to mention it loses to every tusk aka. the only good spinner in the tier). Gliscor is annoying but it's annoying for reasons other than hazard setting. Gholdengo is able to completely shut down every spinner in the tier with air balloon and it has a reasonable amount of bulk that it can do this multiple times.
Gen 9 has been in a state of "this meta is fucked but no one knows why" for the past year and a half because no one wants to come together and just fucking get rid of something. If we clear out one thing that is definitively overpowered then the dominos will start falling and all the other overpowered bullshit we've been dealing with is going to reveal itself and walk into the wood chipper we call ubers. We were starting to have progress ever since the volc ban but now that kyurem has gotten its ban denied through the most bullshit suspect i've ever seen it's near impossible for any single mon to get a supermajority. Gliscor is kept in check by kyurem and none of the crazy overpowered bullshit like Kyurem or Zama or Gambit are even going to get a suspect because everyone's gaslit themselves into thinking they're fine in a "broken checks broken" meta, while we're simultaneously barely not fucked enough to consider any more drastic tiering action.
until the balloon breaks and poltergeist doesn’t work lol
lmfao im a fucking idiot
Not really. Some hazard stack teams don't even use Ghold because they can just keep up offensive pressure with gen 9 power creep. The main thing Ghold blocks is Corv, which is still good anyways. Most of the spinners hit Ghold hard supereffectively, particularly once Air Balloon is popped. Ace straight bypasses Ghold and hits it supereffectively. Even a lot of niche options like Geezing, Talonflame, and Cyclizar can beat Ghold in the hazard clear game. There are also many things you can do to mitigate hazards with team construction, such as boots or stacking certain anti-hazard types and abilities. Like how Clear Body Pult, Contrary Serp, and Levitate Latias can all beat Webs while a grounded Poison type clears T-spikes.
I might be reading this wrong, but if you are actually suggesting that we ban Samurott-H, I'm going to channel my inner CTC.
Huh...? There's a lot to unpack here.How are these not shots at gen 8
Stop with this weird obsession over slandering a metagame that you haven't touched for two years - plenty of people like it and the sweeping generalisations you used in your post are ones that you would throw a hissy fit over when they're used against your precious gen 9. Respect goes both ways.
I don't think Hamurott is broken in the conventional sense. But if you want to talk hazards, which was the context of the discussion, it should be at the very top of the list. I already outlined why it would be the cleanest solution. In addition to the hazard lead scenario I already spoke about, the other Spike setters still get shut down by Taunt and Magic Bounce. It is literally just Ceaseless Edge breaking that mold.
nah seriously, hamurott is actually a mon with quite a wide variety of sets but also adds variety to the metagame anyway, and there are ways to manage it, it's just "good". Concerning hazards what is crown supposed to do in short term to tinglu + fblast absorber, if you don't have hatterene in your team you will be forced to let it spikes anyway, just try to spin w great tusk, hatterene as the only hazard support is only ran on landorus offense idk why we are still complaining about ceaseless edge breaking "that molds" today. If you are talking about rare lead hamurotts, then volt switch Crown into a rocky helmet, as you said it prevents Crown from doing its job or idk what you stated :-:Well, yeah, Ting-Lu would require fast Taunt or something. It's not typically one of the HO leads, is it? I mean, you can technically lead it. However, it often comes in a little later so it isn't U-turn fodder. Iron Crown beats mons like Glimmora, Ribombee, and even that Sudowoodo lead that was popping off for a bit. So you aren't on the back foot with hazards turn one and have a chance to continue to deny them with positioning.Hamurott adds skill. That's enough to keep it
You didn't say that Hamurott was broken but you clearly see it as an issue, while it is just a top tier progress tool, it has a lot of weaknesses too and this mon usually makes game interesting instead of gliscor vs gliscor spiking up for 30 turns.
(People ain't complain about a 1600ish mon that is Kleavor btw (atm))
My problem with this is Ghold is a red herring for the sticky hazards problem that is actually personified by Hamurott. Most hazards like Webs or T-spikes aren't even problematic this gen. It's literally just Spikes that is an issue for gen 9. And no, I don't think Hamurott is broken. But that's not really the point since Ghold isn't broken, either. You still advocate removing it to solve problems. I disagree with you that it really would, though.
I love how we indirectly agreed that CTC is basically pokemon LowTierGod, and going on an aggresive tangent is part of that
breaking... the mold.... mold breaking... Tinkaton... used Stealth Rock... it's super effective... the opposing Moltres used Hurricane... hmm yes...
How are these not shots at gen 8
Stop with this weird obsession over slandering a metagame that you haven't touched for two years - plenty of people like it and the sweeping generalisations you used in your post are ones that you would throw a hissy fit over when they're used against your precious gen 9. Respect goes both ways.
imo, serp is just barely viable in OU now, I use that same set in UU and it's not even that good there anymore
Serp is very hit or miss, however it does have a bonus in OU of getting a speed boost from webs and checking Woger.
252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Raging Bolt: 332-392 (84.9 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
You could also just remove the 56 EVs from Special Attack and invest those in Speed instead
