turn 65 vs fat and things happen brev, also booster speed moth is the superior moth set (pls tell me you don’t think i’m actually calling for alo ban)
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Fair critiscm. Then let's lower the power level for discussion sake:
252+ SpA Hydrapple Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 474-558 (88.7 - 104.4%) -- damage roll
252 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 548-648 (102.6 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 594-698 (111.2 - 130.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Zapdos Discharge vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 390-458 (73 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
244 SpA Choice Specs Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 571-673 (106.9 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 494-585 (92.5 - 109.5%) -- damage roll
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There's plenty of situations that rely on RNG such as freeze, full para turns, critical hits, etc, a lot of times just getting a low roll is enough to give it a chance to switch out or Protect, if you don't get lucky or have a surefire method of OKOing it then a lot of times it can become unkillable, its mere presence in the tier forces a lot of teams to either have a utility method of shutting it down such as PsyNoise or Taunt or to have some kind of supereffective coverage against it.
were these calcs done with mola set to shiny or not?
respectfully if you have 6 team slots and zero coverage for a mono water you're doing something wrong. plus psynoise and taunt are generally good moves that are applicable to tons more pokemon than just alo.
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Forgot to fix that to say 2HKO. My bad
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To hopefully undo some of the brain damage i’ve contributed to inducing upon all readers of this thread, I do ultimately think Gliscor’s time to go will come - but this time should not be before Kyurem. Gliscor is discouraged from setting up by mons like but not limited to: hydrapple, offensive moltres, corv/skarm, dozo, all three ogerpons, almost every HO team, unaware clef, neut gas weezing, whirlwind/red card ting lu (maybe? let me mention my king ting) and bulk up tusk - among others. The problem with many of these mons / sets is that the many kyurem variants in circulation destroy them. In the five minutes kyurem was gone we did see an uptick in gliscor’s debauchery but it was not without these aforementioned sets also rising in usage almost immediately to help keep things balanced.
Gliscor is versatile, can win games by itself, and can be ev to live almost anything and, with the aid of tera, is undoubtedly a top OU pick that anybody would struggle to make a case against banning from the tier. For the time being though, there’s a bigger problem in the tier (and ogerpon-w). Hopefully these points will have made sense & it’s not a word-bomb of nothing, if so ignore the new guy. Looking forward to continuing to see everyone’s thoughts!
Gliscor is versatile, can win games by itself, and can be ev to live almost anything and, with the aid of tera, is undoubtedly a top OU pick that anybody would struggle to make a case against banning from the tier. For the time being though, there’s a bigger problem in the tier (and ogerpon-w). Hopefully these points will have made sense & it’s not a word-bomb of nothing, if so ignore the new guy. Looking forward to continuing to see everyone’s thoughts!
+6 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 517-609 (96.8 - 114%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
I remember this costing me a game once
Does anyone remember what the set that Alomomola ran to specifically check Wogerpon was?
I remember this costing me a game once
Does anyone remember what the set that Alomomola ran to specifically check Wogerpon was?
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The problem with this line a thought is that Kyurem isn’t gonna get another suspect until the end of the Gen. you should never make the argument that X shouldn’t be banned because Y should be banned first, or W shouldn’t be banned because Z should be unbanned. Just talk about how the mon in question effects the tier, and avoid whataboutisms
You guys are really on the boat of suspecting fucking mola?
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People complain about this gen being "entirely HO" (completely false btw) and then turn around and go clamour for the ban of one of the few good defensive Pokemon in the tier. What a shame.
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People complain about this gen being "entirely HO" (completely false btw) and then turn around and go clamour for the ban of one of the few good defensive Pokemon in the tier. What a shame.
Also if you’re having problems with Alomomola:
1: I feel sorry for you.
2: Just use Ogerpon-W
This Pokémon is in no ways banworthy so shut up about it, and either talk about Gliscor or general metagame trends.
Seriously you’re proving the “qualified” types right with this kinda of talk.
1: I feel sorry for you.
2: Just use Ogerpon-W
This Pokémon is in no ways banworthy so shut up about it, and either talk about Gliscor or general metagame trends.
Seriously you’re proving the “qualified” types right with this kinda of talk.
Finna (Alomomola) (F) @ Red Card
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Wish
- Flip Turn
- Scald
- Acrobatics
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I see where you’re coming from but i’m not using what-ifs, just pointing out what happened when we briefly had a meta without kyurem. What we saw was gliscor rise, and the mons I mentioned were also more prevalent. Also, with a mon like kyurem still in the tier, gliscor for the most part can’t really click more than protect or knock/eq whichever it has
Now that the council doesn’t want plebes like me to ask in the specific suspect discussion thread, I’m going ask this here:
Does banning Gliscor open up the meta game at all? What would be the benefit of a metagame without it?
I felt with Kyurem there were a lot of playstyles and pokemon that would have benefitted from its absence and also opened up a path for further bans in the future. I don’t quite see that same path with Gliscor it seems to bother most playstyles equally (maybe it’s a bit tougher on balance, but everything is this gen).
Does banning Gliscor open up the meta game at all? What would be the benefit of a metagame without it?
I felt with Kyurem there were a lot of playstyles and pokemon that would have benefitted from its absence and also opened up a path for further bans in the future. I don’t quite see that same path with Gliscor it seems to bother most playstyles equally (maybe it’s a bit tougher on balance, but everything is this gen).
The only thing that definitively gets worse is stall and semi-stall (do people even play semi-stall?), but that's okay because 1. stall players aren't fully human and 2. stall players and The Stall Discord are insanely dedicated and will find new ways to keep stalling in Gl*scor's abscence. Everything else gets easier to use.
This forum is crazy
I don’t really see a benefit to this tbh. Just sounds like Gliscor is strong but annoying, like 1 or 10 other mons in the tier.
Are we evaluating the brokenness of a pokemon by the capability of other mons to one shot it or what now? I wouldn't even bother engaging the ohko argument. It's a bulky water type that pivots, that's it, and to wishpass it has to take 1-2 hits from whatever is in front of it. It's also telegraphed and you can react to it with a switch.
Hawk two hit KO
I came to see people wanting to ban mola lmaoooooo
Is alomomola cancer? Yes
Is it ban worthy? No
We have Kyurem, Raging Bolt, Iron Crown, hatterene, Gholdengo, Clefable, Gliscor (it's being suspected right now but still counts) OGERPON-WELLSPRING, which is the hardest counter this thing has. Not to mention, Mola hates his boots getting knocked off, because then it takes hazard damage, add status to that, and you have a mon that gets pressured just by coming in
Sure, there are some mons, like Rillaboom and Meowscarada that fear scald, but Mola has to either run away, or force tera to stay in and pray for a scald, even if he gets it, it means it wated tera, which can help another one of your mons on the back. And these are the OU mons, because if we go to other tiers we can start talking about Hydrapple, Hoopa-U, Tornadus-Therian.
Mola would be cancer if Ogerpon-wellspring gets banned, but until then, it's more than manageable
Is alomomola cancer? Yes
Is it ban worthy? No
We have Kyurem, Raging Bolt, Iron Crown, hatterene, Gholdengo, Clefable, Gliscor (it's being suspected right now but still counts) OGERPON-WELLSPRING, which is the hardest counter this thing has. Not to mention, Mola hates his boots getting knocked off, because then it takes hazard damage, add status to that, and you have a mon that gets pressured just by coming in
Sure, there are some mons, like Rillaboom and Meowscarada that fear scald, but Mola has to either run away, or force tera to stay in and pray for a scald, even if he gets it, it means it wated tera, which can help another one of your mons on the back. And these are the OU mons, because if we go to other tiers we can start talking about Hydrapple, Hoopa-U, Tornadus-Therian.
Mola would be cancer if Ogerpon-wellspring gets banned, but until then, it's more than manageable
it's one guy who wants to ban mola (same guy who i'm 90% sure is an bait alt), one dude who was shitposting, and then like 10 guys calling the original guy an idiot. No one above 1300 seriously thinks mola is banworthy lmfaooo
I was one of those 10 guys lol (though I wouldn't call him an idiot) and it is crazy that basically the whole forum united for the common cause of laughing at/making fun of his take
Edit: like seriously how can we unite over this but flame each other on the kyurem suspect thread instead of being civil
I would honestly just use Tera ghost Tera blast thundurus therian for the same use. 145 sp. atk specs shadow balls sounds nasty.
You know, there's something called, and, you may get your mind blown by hearing this, switching out.
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