Diplomacy Blind Date Diplomacy - GAME OVER (7-way draw)

Dead by Daylight said:
Why would I-A stab me with the threat of Russia + Turkey looming over both their shoulders? Perhaps in the case of an alliance between Austria and Turkey as well as Italy and you, that would be the only real time where IA could stab without screwing themselves over.
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Poor phrasing on my part--let me clarify insofar that they would just "not help" you instead of stabbing.
Dead by Daylight said:
Hydro doesn't gain "limited expansion" if he goes with me, he gains the Iberian Peninsula and the Scands (of course, this is negotiated) and has the opportunity to keep me in check if I try to order a stab.
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Again, my first point is essentially conceded here re: Italy. you're literally promising him 4 centers that will a) be contested by Italy and Russia anyway and b) leave you yourself with zero room for expansion. It sounds too good to be true because it is.
Dead by Daylight said:
Hydro doesn't have to make such a decision, but presenting it as "me making this ultimatum" is patently untrue. I reached out to Alice and Tommy about starting the Central Triple, to which you reached out to Hydro saying that allying was "the only way for you both to stay alive". So really, it's you posing the ultimatum here - go with you or don't and "die".
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I'm gonna have to pull the uno reverse card on you--I am merely making a statement of fact, not proposing an ultimatum by actively creating conditions from which Hydro is essentially presented with a binary option. I didn't say "join me or I will kill you," I said "we need to team up or we will both die"
 
We could have our generals submit invalid orders given our preset specifications in order to signal intent. What would normally be a random move in gunboat could be assigned meaning (by us, the diplomats) to communicate. I tried to devise a similar system with bluedoom in zorbees' mafia game (which ended up being a moot point since BD was mafia) but I can see the merits here
 
For instance:

MY GENERAL: Can you please signal to both me and the board who you/we would like to ally with?
We can do this by submitting an invalid move order with A Spa. Please attempt to MOVE TO any home center of a power that you would like to ally with, and I will take that as a signal of alliance.
 
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Couple of caveats for my above post:
1) We only have one spare unit to submit an invalid order with, so if we don't move to a country that doesn't mean we are enemies / don't want to ally
2) If you don't want to signal intent at this time, just hold
3) If you would like to ally with a combination of powers, please submit these moves:
Ally with England and Germany = Move A Spa TO HEL
Ally with England and Italy = Move A Spa TO LYO
Ally with Germany and Italy = Move A Spa TO TYR
Ally with England, Germany, and Italy = Move A Spa to MAO
 
Dead by Daylight said:
We can offer you support against France as well as a lion's share of their territory (likely the Iberians + other territorial gains + perhaps Belgium), like I said. We can also offer you a lion's share of the Scands (both Sweden and Denmark) if Russia does decide to go on the offensive against us with Sunny's support. I do see a future where we can cooperate and win together, but allying with Sunny won't help you achieve that future.

Allying with Sunny only causes a complete melee in the West. Causing this mess allows Russia and Turkey to grow stronger, which leads to them getting more fleets to attack you in the North and destabilize the situation in the South. Letting them do this puts them in a very strong position to duo or solo win, considering I highly doubt we can organize a stalemate line if the situation gets that bad.

Duskfall98 I highly suggest you tell your general to do the following:

Italy
Ven -> Pie
ION -> Tun
Apu -> Ven

Really, you can do anything, I just want your commitment with an army in Piedmont.

Alice Kazumi: get as many troops as you can - I do see a potential Russo-Turkish attack as it is realistically the only way for them to expand, although if you can convince a stab from either that would be great for you.

Sunny, I'm organizing a Western triple out of fear of a Turkish coalition. If you want to ally with me, prove to me why you'd be a stronger ally than either Italy or Austria-Hungary.
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I feel like o am being put down the bottom of the barrel where again.

If you are offering Iberia to hydro, while asking me to move west. What supply centres do you think I will be taking in this?
 
Duskfall98 said:
I mean right now dbd my German “ally” is telling me he wants you to join with him also, and take my supply centres potential so I am not willing to join a coalition with England and Germany together.
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yeah with the way he's constructed this someone will always get the short end of the stick and we don't know who-
 
Dead by Daylight said:
NightEmerald - I am open to an allyship with you in the future. Same for you, HydrogenHydreigon. Stability in the region is in all of our best interests, but be warned that if one of you attack me I will not hesitate to order my general to support the other.

CrreamyKitty - We can most certainly ally, as long as you do not show aggression towards me or Austria-Hungary or any intent of moving westwards past a certain amount (which I will not state right now). We're too far to really help one another, but it could certainly help late-game and G-T alliances are plenty common (as are E-T, but I digress).
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Sure thing, fwiw I do not intend to attack Austria at this point in the game, we are still allied.
 
Alice Kazumi said:
I think I do agree with what DBD said about you moving Ven to Pie. Currently the only thing your army in Ven does is threatening me, it is limiting both my movements and yours.
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Yeah but I mean what about in the balkans, right now you’re just continuing to ask me to play for your wincon rather than pursue my own, where will you allow me to advance in a way I can actually grow?
 
Duskfall98 said:
I mean right now dbd my German “ally” is telling me he wants you to join with him also, and take my supply centres potential so I am not willing to join a coalition with England and Germany together.
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I'm willing to give you Marseilles for certain and then 1-2 of the 3 supply centres in the area.
 
If I move to pie and tried take Marseilles, your troops are on the northern coast presumably fight France and England at best I just infinite bounce against sunny gaining nothing, since you aren’t about to support anyways right?
 
Duskfall98 said:
If I move to pie and tried take Marseilles, your troops are on the northern coast presumably fight France and England at best I just infinite bounce against sunny gaining nothing, since you aren’t about to support anyways right?
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I'm fully willing to support you. If you think it's a wiser endeavor to expand southwards (would not recommend expanding east at the moment) I'm all for it.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
I'm fully willing to support you. If you think it's a wiser endeavor to expand southwards (would not recommend expanding east at the moment) I'm all for it.
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Duskfall98 I will promise you that I will just lock down Pie and prevent you from moving forward. That will lead to either a) a stalemate or b) DBD taking my centers, and at that point he will be too strong for you. DBD is essentially asking you to kill all of your momentum by keeping me occupied instead of working together with Alice in the east.

Alice Kazumi this is going to seem rather counterintuitive, but it may actually make more sense for Tommy and you to coordinate a bounce in Tri this turn. In order for you two to defeat an R-T jugg, it makes more sense for you two to work together by convoying Italy's A Apu into Turkey next turn. Again, it makes zero sense from Tommy+your perspectives (if your goal is to defeat the jugg) to send Tommy's stuff in exactly the opposite direction. I think the best path for mutual coordination would be for you to to essentially play as a 4-unit power against R-T until you gain the needed momentum to take them out.
 
sunny004 said:
Duskfall98 I will promise you that I will just lock down Pie and prevent you from moving forward. That will lead to either a) a stalemate or b) DBD taking my centers, and at that point he will be too strong for you. DBD is essentially asking you to kill all of your momentum by keeping me occupied instead of working together with Alice in the east.

Alice Kazumi this is going to seem rather counterintuitive, but it may actually make more sense for Tommy and you to coordinate a bounce in Tri this turn. In order for you two to defeat an R-T jugg, it makes more sense for you two to work together by convoying Italy's A Apu into Turkey next turn. Again, it makes zero sense from Tommy+your perspectives (if your goal is to defeat the jugg) to send Tommy's stuff in exactly the opposite direction. I think the best path for mutual coordination would be for you to to essentially play as a 4-unit power against R-T until you gain the needed momentum to take them out.
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Ftr sunny I don’t know if this is apparent but I don’t really have any intention to fight you, I don’t see how it helps me at all and just would help others more, and eventually allow bigger threats to grow and eat me to the east.

My plan has been and remains to spread east if at all possible, so you can probably assume that I’m not going to be gunning for you since I do agree we just bounce as other people snowball.
 
I have continuously stated that I’m looking to find an ally who will give me centres and commit to that with realistic plans, I am aware that many people are trying to sell me a dream and I don’t really want to buy into it as of now.
 
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