we'll see once we deal with scandinavia
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Diplomacy Blind Date Diplomacy - GAME OVER (7-way draw)
- Thread starter StupidFlandrs48
- Start date
if I get invaded by France and England this will not end well
speaking as the diplomat we have no plans to invade you
are you going back to DEN? ideally here we can take SWE
yes very likely (this is the diplomat, not the general)
aight ill have to hold the northern front for now bc i cant directly invade SWE but i should be able to stand ground there
Tommy you really need to help dbd here, hydro you as well.
Exactly; I am not trying to ally russia, I'm trying to ally with *you.*
I think you can deal with both Russia and gain German centers w/ me; this will allow you to more effectively deal w/ Russia down the road when you have more builds.
HydrogenHydreigon Por -> Spain NC doesn't make sense if France wants to ally with you, that move is purely to attack you in the future with Spa(NC) S Brest --> Eng
Duskfall98 as you can see from Mar > Bur and especially moving to Spa (nc) instead of (sc) my general has no intention of attacking you. I would like to continue our mutually beneficial non-aggression and propose that you do not help Germany (and instead not leave your vulnerable centers open to Austria).
Duskfall98 We need to coordinate - if I die, then France and Russia can easily ally together for a duo win considering Turkey seemingly doesn't know what's going on
Spa (nc) was to *not* impede on the DMZ with tommy. If we wanted to attack we would have gone MAO, obviously.
Not aiding me only ends up in the same exact trap: France will take their share of the centers and leave you and England to fight over the remains as Sunny grows stronger
I propose we form a central alliance, Duskfall - with you, me, and Alice, we can hold off both rising powers on each front.
It is in both of our best interests to ally against the French in order to prevent France + Russia
HydrogenHydreigon Duskfall98 I think you and your generals have made/need to assert a decision in part on who you want to ally with. DBD has indicated a willingness to flip-flop between allying with you two, with Alice, with only one of you and Alice, etc. A G+A alliance is natural enough, but I think the Russian hysteria is slightly overhyped. His insistence on attacking me is understandable from a self-preservation POV, but I genuinely believe that doing so is an objectively poor move for both of you.
I have repeatedly shown my dedication to you two specifically. I believe an equitable distribution of centers can be found by Hydro and I taking most of the German mainland, while Tommy gains centers in the East (and perhaps Mun) with either Austria's or Turkey's assistance. As I have stated repeatedly, asking Tommy to fight a two-front war is just a losing proposition for him.
The way to effectively fight the eastern threat is to match power with power, and this cannot be achieved with a fractured front of 4-5 countries.
I have repeatedly shown my dedication to you two specifically. I believe an equitable distribution of centers can be found by Hydro and I taking most of the German mainland, while Tommy gains centers in the East (and perhaps Mun) with either Austria's or Turkey's assistance. As I have stated repeatedly, asking Tommy to fight a two-front war is just a losing proposition for him.
The way to effectively fight the eastern threat is to match power with power, and this cannot be achieved with a fractured front of 4-5 countries.
HydrogenHydreigon The key problem that I see in refusing to attack Germany is that this will allow Russia to grow fairly easily off of the Balkan centers; if we spend too much time equivocating / stalemating in the west, then the Russian threat will indeed be insurmountable. DBD has a fairly simple structural problem here; in order to gain centers to defend against Russia, he both has to defend against them while taking my centers. He simply is unable do this effectively, which will lead to a steamroll.
You and I do not have this problem. We can attack east, which also has the effect of defending against the east. You can invest most of your fleets in the north to defend against Russia (while taking the Scandinavian centers) while my land forces move through Germany proper. By the time we have our (mutual, might I add) gains, we will easily be able to repel Russia.
You and I do not have this problem. We can attack east, which also has the effect of defending against the east. You can invest most of your fleets in the north to defend against Russia (while taking the Scandinavian centers) while my land forces move through Germany proper. By the time we have our (mutual, might I add) gains, we will easily be able to repel Russia.
England and Italy would be France only neighbours after Germany is gone this seems fishy.
Hydro you will probably be crushed by France + Russia later if you ally with France now, it's a terrible idea. Protecting DBD while attacking Russia makes the board way more balanced and you wouldn't be in the middle of 2 superpowers.
Tommy you are supposed to be allied with DBD but you aren't helping him at all, you need to at least keep France busy. Even if you don't gain land directly that helps your ally and delays the France superpower. Please at least the army, it's the third time I suggest this. You are letting France run the game, you won't gain territories as fast as France and will be vulnerable to them. Just look at Germany positioning in the map.
Hydro you will probably be crushed by France + Russia later if you ally with France now, it's a terrible idea. Protecting DBD while attacking Russia makes the board way more balanced and you wouldn't be in the middle of 2 superpowers.
Tommy you are supposed to be allied with DBD but you aren't helping him at all, you need to at least keep France busy. Even if you don't gain land directly that helps your ally and delays the France superpower. Please at least the army, it's the third time I suggest this. You are letting France run the game, you won't gain territories as fast as France and will be vulnerable to them. Just look at Germany positioning in the map.
One final point for HydrogenHydreigon (sorry I keep tagging you lol): Den > HEL was not a strategic blunder on Germany's part. That was done with the specific intent of booting you out of Hol. It is a very anti-British move. Now, Germany can guarantee that he does not lose any centers this turn (barring a strategic blunder on their part)
HydrogenHydreigon, that support was not meant to help you attack me in the future. It was meant to try and decoy you away from supporting Sweden so that Russia could take it. Combine this with the fleet in Brest build last Winter, and it is painfully obvious that what France wants is to have you fight against me so that Russia can take the Scandinavians and achieve a stab later on.
That support in reference to Sunny supporting you into Holland, to be clear.
It's the third time you've asked (and the third time that the Italian general has correctly not listened) because it literally leaves a center wide open for you to take and opens a two-front war that Tommy can only lose.
Re: England: Again, creating a stalemate in the west only keeps everyone in the west weak while allowing Russia to grow stronger. If someone is going to challenge the east, I would much rather it be Hydro and I (due to our separate North-South expansion paths) than anyone else.
Lmao this suggests a level of prescience and/or knowledge that could only be achieved by breaking the rules. You're trying to divine my general's intent ex post about an ex ante move.
Additionally, this is a rather moot point b/c NWG is now there to support Nwy, leaving NTH free to do other things.