You're right, I did have the wrong form, so the techs are an effective lure.
They're still bad sets due to severely compromising the match-up into everything else, though.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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You're right, I did have the wrong form, so the techs are an effective lure.
They're still bad sets due to severely compromising the match-up into everything else, though.
I mean that still makes Hydrapple a counter, considering wave crash recoil it means Hydrapple will always tank the 2nd Wave Crash, get the Giga Drain and completely take out Palafin. With Giga Drain's healing + regenerator you'll still be in a fine position afterwards. Just hopefully you don't let Hydrapple get chipped below 67% beforehand
252+ SpA Hydrapple Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Palafin-Hero: 288-338 (84.4 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (34.7 - 40.8% recovered)
problem is that you basically need hydrapple + mola so you can actually get hp back without sacing a teammate every time. but yeah hydrapple at full or def invested works fs. just takes a diabolical amount despite being a quadres
edit: also if they predict and ice punch you’re cooked…
don't bother trudging, he's right here. i was the one who first suggested a test for it and i was 100% absolutely dead wrong
I feel like in practice, rain Palafin may struggle a bit because of the additional turn you need to pivot it out, giving something like the opponent's Raging Bolt a few turn to deal some big damage, kyurem to do whatever, etc. IDK how other players feel, but for rain every turn matters in order to not get overwhelmed, so I do think that will be a notable drawback for it. It'll be good, but I don't think it'll be the set that'll push fin over the edge or be much better than existing options like skewda and wellspring. Its presence will be great for Gambit though since its bulky and can revenge kill that mon with a rain boosted Jet Punch.252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Rain: 247-291 (49 - 57.7%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Amoonguss: 228-269 (52.9 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Rain: 202-238 (66.6 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Rain: 313-369 (58.6 - 69.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin-Hero Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 290-342 (96.3 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Let's allow another Mon to carry a playstyle, no one will have a Déjà vu with Archaludon, looks fun.
And really, rain is already carried by Arch 2, Raging Bolt. Mon is very unfair under rain lol.
Palafin would definitely always run Jolly to outspeed Tusk and co.
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hello? I’m calling to report an alt of a perma’d user, their name was AK?
Spoiler alert it doesn't
It gets both Knock Off and Toxic through breeding in Gen 8
what’s the point of this post
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Rain: 247-291 (49 - 57.7%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Amoonguss: 228-269 (52.9 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Rain: 202-238 (66.6 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Rain: 313-369 (58.6 - 69.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin-Hero Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 290-342 (96.3 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Let's allow another Mon to carry a playstyle, no one will have a Déjà vu with Archaludon, looks fun.
We'll be calling on your services, Tio Chico. Make sure to ladder and vote Do Not Unban when Palafin is dropped for its suspect test.
This just in, choice banded pokemon kills something with a super effective 120bp stab move
Honestly palafin seems like it’ll be fun and this gen is already so broken at this point that why not unleash hell
Why make the meta worse just 'cause you can? Also, the meta isn't as bad as you say it is. If we can keep Palafin out, we'd be making progress to an ideal metagame whereas Palafin dropping could set back tiering action for the rest of the generation, which would turn this gen into a complete and utter joke.
if this happens, it will need to get 60% unban votes, right?
Yes, that is correct. Palafin will need unban votes making up 60% of the total. Good thing the number is sufficiently high instead of 55% like a lot of people are proposing 'cause they were butthurt about the Kyurem (which would've been banned if not for the troll DNB vote from LoseToRU?), Gliscor, and Kingambit suspect tests.
the 60% supermajority actually doing something good for once, nice
60% percent supermajority haters when something they hate is getting tested to be unbanned so they can’t complain about Kyurem anymore:
Remember the politics rules, kids!
60% supermajority is stupid and archaic when it causes something I hate to stay legal
60% supermajority is the best thing ever when it makes something I hate to stay banned
60% supermajority is stupid and archaic when it causes something I hate to stay legal
60% supermajority is the best thing ever when it makes something I hate to stay banned
The gen where half the end games come down to 50/50s with sucker punch is already a joke, just give me fun dolphin
so is the palafin suspect confirmed now?
It is not confirmed, but it is the only suspect with a chance of happening. All others are nowhere near close to having anywhere near the 500K react total dedicated to the suspect.
Honestly I kinda hope something else picks up traction because its so obviously palafin that its starting to get kinda boring dumping points into it
Brazilians please flip the script, thus i’m helping their cause because it would be funny to see tera ban overtake palafin drop because a massive upset would be hilarious
Brazilians please flip the script, thus i’m helping their cause because it would be funny to see tera ban overtake palafin drop because a massive upset would be hilarious
what about tera blast?