NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

CrreamyKitty said:
Bolded is a skill issued mentality, wolfy wolves still post like wolves d1 and vice versa for villagers, you just don’t have flips to work with.
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Then why hasn't town won a game in basically the past year?
Aura Guardian said:
The post CK quoted, involving d1 vote being a rand. We already have enough that it won't quite be randing. And getting rid of experience is likely to backfire on us.
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I disagree with this point. We need hard data from which we can effectively iso people and compare flips. We can more reliably trust an flipped experienced player's perspective / reads as opposed to a new player whose reads will likely be unreliable.
Similarly, even assuming that your point w/r/t not randing is true, we would need to identify players whose gameplay is abnormal. The only players that we are able to do so atp are experienced players, as there is actually a solid meta from which we can compare their current gameplay to past games.

I feel like ATP we can divide the playerlist into three categories:
Newer Players (I would like to avoid voting these players D1 specifically, we are more likely to catch them off of mech, from interactions with flipped players, or just spewing)
- Vizh (he kinda fits in both this category and the one below)
- des (to a limited extent, she has played lots of games recently but it is difficult for me to get a read on her. Although this could be a good choice since her reads were super on point last game)
- AligningStar (again, p new)

Experienced OC players (Players who likely can provide usable reads but have less NOC experience and so ymmv re: reads)
- Me (sunny)
- Mekkah
- Blazade
- Vizh (see above)

Experienced NOC players (Players who have played multiple games as of late and I think have not bad reads. For D1 ONLY I think we should be voting within this pool)
- AG
- DBD
- Lechen
- HyHy
- Tommy
- BD
- fairy
- CK
- skipper
- charlie
- pulsar
- NE

I still like my NE vote for these reasons. I make no claims as to the scumminess / town of my list above, I am just talking from the perspective of good D1 votes from a policy perspective
 
sunny004 said:
Sure yea we don't absolutely need hard data but town is much stronger with more info and this is the best way to get it. Scum has a vested interest in keeping us in the dark for as long as possible and voting a new player whose reads we cannot reliably rely (lol) on is the best way to do that
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I agree with this take more of hard info not being info based on hard stuff but just actual usable information, but I don’t necessarily see how voting out someone who is more present gives us more
 
Vizh said:
I agree with this take more of hard info not being info based on hard stuff but just actual usable information, but I don’t necessarily see how voting out someone who is more present gives us more
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People who are present will have had much more posts to read interactions from post-flip that can be used to read into the alignments of other players, like if they flip wolf we can go back and check who they spewed town or spewed as wolf with them, and if they flip town then you can go look at how people interacted around them to figure out who might have had towny or scummy interactions with the player, and be able to rule out certain scumteams that this active player could have made sense on. If you vote out an inactive, all you really get as info is what people voted for or said about them.
 
sunny004 said:
Then why hasn't town won a game in basically the past year?

I disagree with this point. We need hard data from which we can effectively iso people and compare flips. We can more reliably trust an flipped experienced player's perspective / reads as opposed to a new player whose reads will likely be unreliable.
Similarly, even assuming that your point w/r/t not randing is true, we would need to identify players whose gameplay is abnormal. The only players that we are able to do so atp are experienced players, as there is actually a solid meta from which we can compare their current gameplay to past games.

I feel like ATP we can divide the playerlist into three categories:
Newer Players (I would like to avoid voting these players D1 specifically, we are more likely to catch them off of mech, from interactions with flipped players, or just spewing)
- Vizh (he kinda fits in both this category and the one below)
- des (to a limited extent, she has played lots of games recently but it is difficult for me to get a read on her. Although this could be a good choice since her reads were super on point last game)
- AligningStar (again, p new)

Experienced OC players (Players who likely can provide usable reads but have less NOC experience and so ymmv re: reads)
- Me (sunny)
- Mekkah
- Blazade
- Vizh (see above)

Experienced NOC players (Players who have played multiple games as of late and I think have not bad reads. For D1 ONLY I think we should be voting within this pool)
- AG
- DBD
- Lechen
- HyHy
- Tommy
- BD
- fairy
- CK
- skipper
- charlie
- pulsar
- NE

I still like my NE vote for these reasons. I make no claims as to the scumminess / town of my list above, I am just talking from the perspective of good D1 votes from a policy perspective
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Fwiw aligning has some NOC experience asw, he’s played on my homesite, though there is no meta you can track here.
 
Votecount 1.1: RVS Edition
Lechen (2): Mekkah, Dead by Daylight
des121 (2): bluedoom, Lechen
NightEmerald (2): sunny004, Vizh
sunny004 (1): Aura Guardian
bluedoom (1): SB.
Vizh (1): HydrogenHydreigon
Mekkah (1): CrreamyKitty

Not Voting (8): AligningStar, Blazade, Duskfall98, des121, NightEmerald, pulsar512b, a fairy, skippergamez

Hammer will be called at 10 votes. Please notify me of any errors I may have made in this VC.
 
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