damn, the undercard match of the next fight night already happened
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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I think that is fair but at the same time that isn't really a reason to ban it. People also have to see the benefits Palafin brings and there are plenty of those too.
send me some of these teams
yes it is. if shit makes a meta more/less fun and diverse, that's a great reason to ban it (or keep it in the tier)
this is legit the funniest fucking match up I could have ever seen. I keep running into Forum users trying to test out random bullshit on my accts and I have yet to have a legendary match up like this ngl
Bro was actually the most goobed in history. Matchup fish sun never fails me. I love you chandelure my sweet.
Chandelure is act not bad. It walls most Cinderace, Iron Moth, and Moltres, and is OBSCENELY strong. Tera Fire Overheat in Sun with Scarf is just about 2KOing Ting-Lu after hazards. Yall should try it. (I'd put it C to D on the VR)
I actually despise scarf Chandelure almost as much as I despise Arcanine-Hisui. Stupid strong guys. Harc definitely takes the cake as my #1 most hated mon OAT though. Scarf or Band? Doesn't matter, you get 2HKOed. You need rocks up, or you need to hope for a miss. That's all you can do really (or play a 50/50 with Tusk and a sturdy Fire resist)
I love shitmon stallbreakers so much even as a stall main. They're so charming and lowkey fun to play against with stall. Knocking the luna switch is genuinely the 2nd most pleasurable feeling possible for a human. Surviving the hyperspace fury and KOing back with Flip Turn is peak. I fucking love shitmon stallbreakers, both to use and to play against. You are objectively wrong.
>implying Hoopa-Unbound is a shitmon
come face me on ladder next I'll 6-0 you with Horoark
Use banded hoopa into offense I dare you
RainebowValiant drop the team btw
I don't have it on me right now. Someone remind me in like 6 hours.
Once again fair but I don't even think Palafin made the meta that much worse. Of course the increase of less interesting/more annoying pokemon isn't great but think of the other more interesting pokemon that gained something from this (rillaboom dragonite and especially meowscarada)
Speaking of Meowscarada imo that is probably the biggest reason it stayed ou this time around. Like let's face it this pokemon is not that good. Same for Walking Wake (except I don't know how the hell that thing is still ou) but the point is I predict that both pokemon will probably drop after the next 3 month cycle (and probably be qb to uubl because let's be real)
Brother your team has a full ass hamurott just lead it, set up two fucking spikes, and trade.
Girl ur actually not her
In all seriousness I would recommend trying out webs on ladder. It's pretty fun, easy to play with a simple gameplan, and you can add shitmons on it to your heart's content, like breloom, harcanine, etc. Plus, you have good ways to beat both Choice Scarfers and Rapid Spin.
Do you mean lokix or slither wing? Because at least lokix has tinted lens
He means araquanid
Not sure if this is old bait but you would've truly despised gen 7 ladder if this is your take. I'll always advocate for scouting early game even for innocuous stuff
No one said banded but ok (tera dark ohkos Raging Bolt lmao)
Banded is the only true stallbreaker set. AV hoopa provides a lot more outs for stall, making the MU still unfavourable but not tragic. AV hoopa is better into offense and balance, so it's the better set, but it's not really a stallbreaker.
You can run mixed with AV Hoopa, though, allowing you to be more flexible about it. I had an old prototype psyspam where I ran something like this:
Hoopa-Unbound @ Assault Vest
Ability: Magician
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 40 Def / 84 SpA / 92 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Knock Off
- Psychic
- Drain Punch
- Gunk Shot
It's not even much investment, but just having something like Psychic completely changed the stall matchup.
Doesn't change the fact that stall has sooo many outs for AV hoopa as now a lot of mons that were formerly OHKOed get a turn. Mola, Gliscor, Pex, etc can all get some progress on you with the right set/tera which simply isn't true for band.
AV hoopa is and always will be only a decent stallbreaker, needing a lot of stuff to supplement its breaking such as hazards, wish, etc. whereas band can 6-0 alone.
band can't 6-0 alone when the mola/pex tera fairies... av hoopa doesn't care about Tera, it'll just click moves until it dies and probably take 3 kills, at which point the stall team is good as done for
Tera Fairy Toxapex on stall :fire:
Tera Fairy Alomomola is an Assault Vest thing, it's always Tera Flying/Ghost on stall.
AV Hoopa doesn't worry about Tera? Idk. When that Pex Tera Steels (the real tera) and clicks Toxic you're as good as cooked.
AV Hoopa isn't as good of a stallbreaker because it often misses out on KOs and 2KOs Band hits.
A knocked Pex is a dead Pex. Hoopa only really needs like 6 turns to get a couple of kills/half kills (even then you'll have to make some predicts). Band is way better at stallbreaking (brainless Tera Dark Hyperspace) but it's worse into everything else.