Pokémon Diamond, Pearl & Platinum In-game Tier List Discussion

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- Is there a reason Cranidos is listed as "Diamond only"? It's not done for any other version exclusives
Possibly because Cranidos in Pearl is obtainable there, but is locked to post-game? At least that's how i see it, though that doesn't explained that Shieldon doesn't have "Pearl only" if that was the case.

I know this was an very old thread, because the second DP tier list (the latest one) got locked years ago, and i'm patiently waiting for the new thread or something so i could post like 10 Platinum logs because i'm unsure if i would post it here instead
 
This is a very minor point, I'm wondering what warrants Buneary in D-tier? It's got a bit of utility for sure, but the starting 0 happiness putting evolution way off should surely make it nigh-unusable, and surely not better than Stunky or Wingull. Has anyone used it? I know it's the difference between calling it crap and rubbish but it did stick out to me
I've got a suggestion to fix this shortcoming. DP got a friendship underflow bug. If you use 1 Energy Powder or Energy Root right after catching Buneary during a battle, it will underflow the friendship. So that's instant Lopunny after a level-up and maxed Return after Lost Tower. I haven't used this myself yet, but it's documented here. The bug seems to have been fixed in Platinum though.

It would improve the performance of Golbat, Togepi, Budew, Chingling, Munchlax and Riolu as well, though it will take 8 uses for them.
Might even be worth using on other Pokemon as well. A fast maxed out Return as a coverage option is very neat.
 
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Is it fair to say that Budew is only A-tier on a technicality? It's less Budew on A-tier, and more Roselia, but the tier list maker decided to group both of them together?

But even for Roselia, A-tier seems kind of odd. Is it because of the Choice Specs, which boosts its power by 50%?

For that matter, I'm not sure which moveset is best for Roserade. I'm thinking of Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, and either Toxic or Toxic Spikes. I'm not sure which Toxic move is better for Roserade.
 
Is it fair to say that Budew is only A-tier on a technicality? It's less Budew on A-tier, and more Roselia, but the tier list maker decided to group both of them together?

But even for Roselia, A-tier seems kind of odd. Is it because of the Choice Specs, which boosts its power by 50%?

For that matter, I'm not sure which moveset is best for Roserade. I'm thinking of Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball, and either Toxic or Toxic Spikes. I'm not sure which Toxic move is better for Roserade.
This is an old thread. The second thread, which is the latest one, is currently locked, and it has Budew at B Tier right here, at least in Platinum's ranking. From my experience using it in Platinum specifically, it looks more of a C Tier, with a possibility of a D Tier, it had serious issues (someone also nominated Budew to C on the second thread iirc) .One of them is a rather late evolution, by Gym 6, so might as well call it a mon that evolves just as late as Ponyta, and Roselia felt pretty bleh prior to Canalave, even its Wake matchup is disappointing, though mostly from its low physical bulk(You only beat Quagsire, which is his weakest mon, and the other two are more threatening). Not only it could get one shotted by Floatzel, it even almost got 2HKOed by a Waterfall Gyarados (nice resist you got there). Second, its seemingly high Special Attack stat is not that great bc you're stuck with 60 BP Giga Drain for a long time, and Sludge Bomb TM just comes way too late by the time you get it, you're still probably facing some Golbats. Btw, just catch a Roselia, its not worth using Budew at all, mine doesn't even reach 2 small heart(200 friendship) by the time i reach Hearthome.

Man, i kinda wanted to dump all my Platinum test logs right now....
 
Btw, just catch a Roselia, its not worth using Budew at all, mine doesn't even reach 2 small heart(200 friendship) by the time i reach Hearthome.
That's what I figured out. Roselia will likely miss out on multiple good moves like Magical Leaf and Giga Drain if it stays as a Budew, since it takes so long to evolve via Friendship.

Budew isn't even worth it for the Roarke battle, since all 3 starters can solo it.
 
So why didn't the tier ratings get updated? I'm sure most people just see the tier rankings on the front page.
Not sure about why the first page wasn't updated. And yeah, most people would see the tier ranking on front page, myself included. I actually checked there to see which interesting mon should I test, particularly i was initially settling on Hippopotas, who was on E tier and thought to myself, this mon might have potential to be D, until I scrolled down and find out Hippo actually moved up to D....
 
Not sure about why the first page wasn't updated. And yeah, most people would see the tier ranking on front page, myself included. I actually checked there to see which interesting mon should I test, particularly i was initially settling on Hippopotas, who was on E tier and thought to myself, this mon might have potential to be D, until I scrolled down and find out Hippo actually moved up to D....
The in-game tier lists should really get updated in general. For that matter, why is the latest thread for DPPt's tier list closed? We should be having this discussion on the most up to date tier list thread.
 
I mean if you looked at the thread that might answer your question. I doubt the OP is going to want to return to running a tier list, and he wouldn't be the first. This board is littered with the corpses of tier lists where the OP thought they could manage until it turns out that it's actually a lot of work and sometimes takes years to finish, years in which they may lose interest or free time to finish it. Any discussions had in that thread at this point wouldn't really further anything since no one is around to say "yeah moving Hippopotas to D sounds good, I'll edit the first post".

Because of that, if you want to run it yourself you're more than welcome to reach out to DHR-107 , but keep in mind what I said about it being likely to take years and all, and read some of the other threads (the previous GSC thread, the current GSC thread, and the last pages of the previous DPPt thread are good examples) to get a feel for the fact that there is likely to be drama that you have to decide how to resolve. It's a thankless task and that's why this project is the way it is.
 
I mean if you looked at the thread that might answer your question. I doubt the OP is going to want to return to running a tier list, and he wouldn't be the first. This board is littered with the corpses of tier lists where the OP thought they could manage until it turns out that it's actually a lot of work and sometimes takes years to finish, years in which they may lose interest or free time to finish it. Any discussions had in that thread at this point wouldn't really further anything since no one is around to say "yeah moving Hippopotas to D sounds good, I'll edit the first post".

Because of that, if you want to run it yourself you're more than welcome to reach out to DHR-107 , but keep in mind what I said about it being likely to take years and all, and read some of the other threads (the previous GSC thread, the current GSC thread, and the last pages of the previous DPPt thread are good examples) to get a feel for the fact that there is likely to be drama that you have to decide how to resolve. It's a thankless task and that's why this project is the way it is.
At the very least, there should probably be a system in place that makes it easier to update the tier lists. I assumed that it shouldn't be that hard to take each Pokemon listed, and place them in their respective tier. I'm more referring to updating the information on the front page than anything else. The list on the front page is apparently an earlier version of the tier list.
 
At the very least, there should probably be a system in place that makes it easier to update the tier lists. I assumed that it shouldn't be that hard to take each Pokemon listed, and place them in their respective tier. I'm more referring to updating the information on the front page than anything else. The list on the front page is apparently an earlier version of the tier list.
I want to echo what Altissimo said.

Speaking as someone who has been doing these tier lists for...6 years (started the BW1 thread in February 2019, gosh time flies) it is absolutely NOT an easy task. I'll openly admit I could have done a lot better back then and I'm not proud of those early posts. I was very dismissive simply because I saw some of the snarky posts in previous lists (not gonna name names) and incorrectly assumed that was okay: it wasn't.

Since then, me and my friends have published in-game tier lists for BW1, RBY, HGSS, and FRLG. If you want to helm a list, the best advice I can give you is to realize you probably won't get a lot of help getting mon data beyond maybe the first month of a list being live. This and the drama are kinda the reasons I don't do many lists anymore. If you're lucky, people will do one run for you. If you're really lucky, you might get someone who runs the game repeatedly. But more often than not, these lists tend to have a lot of theorymonning, simply because everyone understandably doesn't have the time to play through 20-hour RPGS for a thankless project repeatedly.

Like Altissimo said, you're also gonna have a ton of disagreements no matter how amicable you may be to others. This is normal, for better or worse. Try to engage with different opinions and keep an open mind despite this, though sometimes arguments will go on for pages and you just can't agree with someone. And with the aforementioned lack of data, it can be hard to make a balanced judgement sometimes.

The point I'm framing here is that I'd only suggest doing this if YOU have the time and patience to run one of these games repeatedly. For accurate data, this means seeing the copyright logos upon soft resetting boss fights until they are burned into your brain. But when you see your list go live after years of work, you'll feel like you accomplished something. It might even lead to something else. I don't think I would have became an actual author if I didn't get my start doing tier lists like this.

But if I and Ryota Mitarai could tier a 150 mon game with minimal help, I know you can do it too. Good luck Thunderfang777.
 
So why didn't the tier ratings get updated? I'm sure most people just see the tier rankings on the front page.
Because the idea at the time was to pretty much retest everything.

But yeah, like Alti said, running a thread like this is insane work. Not only because the workload is insane, but also because running so many tests on vanilla games can drive you insane, and the people will definitely drive you insane.

Also, I got *really* unlucky with that run, including, but not limited to, breaking my hand on a crackhead's face, and my father getting ill. So basically, all I remember is people wanting to shoot things to S-Tier (AKA the broken one) off +6 Curse + Healing Item sweeps, leading me to cuss out a bunch of people, peak pandemic, and the aforementioned health issues.

It's a pretty absurd amount of work, especially since standards can vary wildly between testers. I tried focusing on clear, detailed guidelines, but even then, things pretty much immediately hit the fan :totodiLUL:

DrumstickGaming gave you some very solid advice. We've been at each other's throats more than once over that kind of stuff, but he's more than earned my respect over managing to finish so many lists.

If you want to give it a shot, go for it. I'll help however I can. :blobthumbsup:
 
Because the idea at the time was to pretty much retest everything.

But yeah, like Alti said, running a thread like this is insane work. Not only because the workload is insane, but also because running so many tests on vanilla games can drive you insane, and the people will definitely drive you insane.

Also, I got *really* unlucky with that run, including, but not limited to, breaking my hand on a crackhead's face, and my father getting ill. So basically, all I remember is people wanting to shoot things to S-Tier (AKA the broken one) off +6 Curse + Healing Item sweeps, leading me to cuss out a bunch of people, peak pandemic, and the aforementioned health issues.

It's a pretty absurd amount of work, especially since standards can vary wildly between testers. I tried focusing on clear, detailed guidelines, but even then, things pretty much immediately hit the fan :totodiLUL:

DrumstickGaming gave you some very solid advice. We've been at each other's throats more than once over that kind of stuff, but he's more than earned my respect over managing to finish so many lists.

If you want to give it a shot, go for it. I'll help however I can. :blobthumbsup:
I was mainly just referring to updating the data that was already collected. I mean the thread is closed, so I assume that means that nobody else can actually submit their test results if they wanted to.
 
As Volt-Ikazuchi has returned, I'll reopen the other thread and close this one. If you wish to compile anything from here and move it across by all means do so.

 
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