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★ VGC 2025 Regulation I Metagame Discussion

RauVGC said:
Reading through this thread, I am surprised at the lack of Weezing mentions.

I personally have been climbing ladder with good success using a core of Calyrex-S, Koraidon, Galarian Weezing and the usual Dozogiri partners found on the popular Calyrex-S Galarian Weezing team from Regulation G. Weezing feels very strong right now disabling abilities like Shadow Shield and Hadron Engine allowing Choice Specs Calyrex-S to almost always double OHKO the majority of restricted pairings when they are lead or live attacks it normally wouldn't. In the case of Zamazenta-C threatening Wide Guard, Koraidon easily wins against it while Calyrex-S in the back can clean up late game.

I can see Weezing not living up to this hype I am giving it credit for if there is a rise in usage of Zacian-C and AV Groudon, however in this current metagame state Weezing definitely feels like a strong contender, especially when a lot of restricteds really don't want to give up their item slot for an ability shield.
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Like you mentioned, :Weezing: feels like an extremely strong pokemon. It enables certain hyper offensive team compositions. Even though this is early on in format, I think :Weezing: is a pokemon that's here to stay and to watch out for.

Speaking on :Groudon:, Precipice Blades is not a consistent enough move. There are just so much scenarios where if you miss Precipice Blades you can immediately lose a game. I really don't think Groudon should warrant any concern in serious tournament play.

However, I am curious how :Dondozo: performs throughout this format. While :Amoonguss: usage has decreased significantly for now, the power level of the format could threathen its bulk.
 
Ducktile said:
my own hot take is that even tho korai is definitely better than it was in reg g, its still kinda underwhelming. It feels like a decent pick, but it just doesn't seem to have as much of a presence as it needs to be a dominant force. It'll make sun teams good for sure but its gonna struggle hardcore against torn and kyogre stuff.
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IMO, Koraidon doesn't even need to be as powerful as a pokemon compared to Calyrex-Shadow or Miraidon because of it's insane supportive capabilities. Some of the pokemon Koraidon pairs together with such as Flutter Mane , Chi-Yu, Brute Bonnet are just so absurd to manage under the sun. You CANNOT play defensively against Koraidon.

Tornadus with Rain Dance and Kyogre with Drizzle is the most prominent issue for Koraidon to deal with, but, Koraidon teams are just so incredibly flexible. They have such a wide variety of pokemon that compared with it - Whimsicott, Ditto, Raging-Bolt, Indeedee, Ogerpon-Heartflame, Walking Wake, Incineroar, Gouging Fire and much more. This isn't even including the second Restricted Pokemon that is paired with Koraidon btw. If you manage to consistently defeat one Koraidon team, they can change a set or pokemon and smack you right back. I'm almost certain Koraidon teams will be able to adapt to anything that's thrown against them.
 
I was actually thinking a Miraidon + Lunala core could theoretically work, but I’m way too new to know well, so if anyone is up to trying it out I think it might work beautifully.
 
Sebaszc08 said:
I was actually thinking a Miraidon + Lunala core could theoretically work, but I’m way too new to know well, so if anyone is up to trying it out I think it might work beautifully.
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Mirai-luna has seen some pretty solid early successes if i remember right. think it won the first victory road tour. It's smth to watch for sure they do have some decent synergy, especially with eseed lunala
 
Ducktile said:
Mirai-luna has seen some pretty solid early successes if i remember right. think it won the first victory road tour. It's smth to watch for sure they do have some decent synergy, especially with eseed lunala
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And do you know how to actually make it work with partners? I’ve been trying as hard as I can, but no results yet
 
Sebaszc08 said:
And do you know how to actually make it work with partners? I’ve been trying as hard as I can, but no results yet
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https://pokepast.es/bd0febe8c04cc2bf this team is by SeaWolfMikes and got 3rd place in the first vr challenge, and was also totw a few weeks back. To my knowledge this is the most successful mirai-luna team out there, but im also known for my bouts of incorrectness. There's another team that d2-ed that vr challenge but im too lazy to go find it, and i cant find the other vr challenges eitehr lol
 
Ducktile said:
https://pokepast.es/bd0febe8c04cc2bf this team is by SeaWolfMikes and got 3rd place in the first vr challenge, and was also totw a few weeks back. To my knowledge this is the most successful mirai-luna team out there, but im also known for my bouts of incorrectness. There's another team that d2-ed that vr challenge but im too lazy to go find it, and i cant find the other vr challenges eitehr lol
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The evs are on the totw thread or on his twitter
 
ppyyy said:
IMO, Koraidon doesn't even need to be as powerful as a pokemon compared to Calyrex-Shadow or Miraidon because of it's insane supportive capabilities. Some of the pokemon Koraidon pairs together with such as Flutter Mane , Chi-Yu, Brute Bonnet are just so absurd to manage under the sun. You CANNOT play defensively against Koraidon.

Tornadus with Rain Dance and Kyogre with Drizzle is the most prominent issue for Koraidon to deal with, but, Koraidon teams are just so incredibly flexible. They have such a wide variety of pokemon that compared with it - Whimsicott, Ditto, Raging-Bolt, Indeedee, Ogerpon-Heartflame, Walking Wake, Incineroar, Gouging Fire and much more. This isn't even including the second Restricted Pokemon that is paired with Koraidon btw. If you manage to consistently defeat one Koraidon team, they can change a set or pokemon and smack you right back. I'm almost certain Koraidon teams will be able to adapt to anything that's thrown against them.
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I have lost so many times to the supportive koraidon teams, especially with something like calyrex-shadow ,koraidon is becoming more flexible with something like ability shield to ignore the galarian-weezing's gas, in that case galar-weezing is becoming popular in koraidon teams since u can lead them first and have a big advantage, i have also saw people that use it with lunala and miraidon but i don't actually understand the idea behind it
(btw guys how do u get those pokemon stickers to put them in the messages , my text looks so bland compared to others:puff:)
 
ive been playing with this team for a while (i stole it from a victory road tour lmao) and I LOVE nasty plot cal shadow. It relies on fake out pivots and redirection to let cal shadow set up, but it has an alternative grassy glide spam mode with rillaboom and ogerpon. I love the team but it struggles against teams with great speed support. i feel like every time i try to fit tailwind on it i end up gutting its set up potential or offensive power. does anyone have any suggestions for adding speed support onto it but keeping the set up support and offensive power?

On a sidenote think a volcarona set similar to this one might have some potential on the team, but im not sure how to fit it on the team along with 2 fake outs and enough offensive variety.
 
Redwan said:
I have lost so many times to the supportive koraidon teams, especially with something like calyrex-shadow ,koraidon is becoming more flexible with something like ability shield to ignore the galarian-weezing's gas, in that case galar-weezing is becoming popular in koraidon teams since u can lead them first and have a big advantage, i have also saw people that use it with lunala and miraidon but i don't actually understand the idea behind it
(btw guys how do u get those pokemon stickers to put them in the messages , my text looks so bland compared to others:puff:)
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You do Pokemon stickers by surrounding the pokemon name with : but be careful to not spam them. I think that koraidon weezing should only be used with Calyrex-S secondary restricted (or not at all pls and ty).
 
epi said:
ive been playing with this team for a while (i stole it from a victory road tour lmao) and I LOVE nasty plot cal shadow. It relies on fake out pivots and redirection to let cal shadow set up, but it has an alternative grassy glide spam mode with rillaboom and ogerpon. I love the team but it struggles against teams with great speed support. i feel like every time i try to fit tailwind on it i end up gutting its set up potential or offensive power. does anyone have any suggestions for adding speed support onto it but keeping the set up support and offensive power?

On a sidenote think a volcarona set similar to this one might have some potential on the team, but im not sure how to fit it on the team along with 2 fake outs and enough offensive variety.
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I would recommend a tail wind :Murkrow: , pretty good STABs and u-turn for pivoting , and after all a big variety of moves with pretty decent stats
 
epi said:
ive been playing with this team for a while (i stole it from a victory road tour lmao) and I LOVE nasty plot cal shadow. It relies on fake out pivots and redirection to let cal shadow set up, but it has an alternative grassy glide spam mode with rillaboom and ogerpon. I love the team but it struggles against teams with great speed support. i feel like every time i try to fit tailwind on it i end up gutting its set up potential or offensive power. does anyone have any suggestions for adding speed support onto it but keeping the set up support and offensive power?

On a sidenote think a volcarona set similar to this one might have some potential on the team, but im not sure how to fit it on the team along with 2 fake outs and enough offensive variety.
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There are little things you could do like Drum Beating Rillaboom and Rock Tomb Urshifu-R, but those aren't very great. If you want Tailwind, I suggest either dropping Incineroar or Ogerpon-H for Tornauds (provides Tailwind and weather control) and going for Focus Sash on Calyrex-S since you are losing a bit of support for setting up. I would also recommend using Aqua Jet over Poison Jab on Urshifu-R, provides your team with more priority to snipe chipped foes such as Choice Scarf Chi-Yu or opposing Sashed Pokemon.

I personally don't think Volcarona would work tbh, kind of worsens your Miraidon MU since you (presumably) lose a Grass-type in Ogerpon-H.

Redwan said:
I would recommend a tail wind :Murkrow: , pretty good STABs and u-turn for pivoting , and after all a big variety of moves with pretty decent stats
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I would not recommend Murkrow and actually would oppose to using it altogether. Also yes, it saw great usage early into Generation 9's run, it struggles to keep up with the behemoths of this Double Restricted Format. Back then, the power level was WAY lower.
 
epi said:
ive been playing with this team for a while (i stole it from a victory road tour lmao) and I LOVE nasty plot cal shadow. It relies on fake out pivots and redirection to let cal shadow set up, but it has an alternative grassy glide spam mode with rillaboom and ogerpon. I love the team but it struggles against teams with great speed support. i feel like every time i try to fit tailwind on it i end up gutting its set up potential or offensive power. does anyone have any suggestions for adding speed support onto it but keeping the set up support and offensive power?

On a sidenote think a volcarona set similar to this one might have some potential on the team, but im not sure how to fit it on the team along with 2 fake outs and enough offensive variety.
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you could go volc>ogerpon which would be fine, zama+rilla+csr+ursh is still enough offensive pressure to be a good games as long as you keep in mind when to bring volc and incin together. Against opposing tailwind in general, without using tailwind for a team like this you usually rely on pivoting well and stalling out with protects while getting good calls right and doing good damage.
 
auraluna9199 said:
ahhh man... lunala and caly-ice then?
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Ice Rider + Lunala could work on a Hard Trick Room archetype, but just like with Giratina, you're stacking Ghost and Dark weaknesses.
Something like CIR/Lunala/Indeedee/Torkoal could be nice tho, if you're looking for a good CIR partner, your best bet is probably Miraidon, Lunala, or maybe Palkia
 
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Been running Tailroom SD Groudon with Meteor Beam Lunala and it’s going really well. I was worried it may not work at first because of the blistering speeds of some of the modern day restricteds but the speed control options have been enough. Indeedee is a very strong support in early reg I meta that can set TR in a range of scenarios and Whimsicott with prankster Light Screen makes both of the restricteds better able to set up under pressure. You can also focus on building both restricteds bulky because you don’t need to invest in speed beyond creeping Caly-S in TW.

I will say that whilst it’s early days, reg I meta is immensely more engaging than reg G meta for me. I’m seeing a spectrum of teams pop up. Not many strategies seem ‘free’ as it’s harder to set up in reg I, there’s counter play to terrains everywhere, wide guard usage has risen tremendously, and redirection remains popular.
 
hduser said:
Ice Rider + Lunala could work on a Hard Trick Room archetype, but just like with Giratina, you're stacking Ghost and Dark weaknesses.
Something like CIR/Lunala/Indeedee/Torkoal could be nice tho, if you're looking for a good CIR partner, your best bet is probably Miraidon, Lunala, or maybe Palkia
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I'm kinda new to this whole VGC thing (played some regs back in sword and shield era but havent played sv) so what's a CIR?
 
auraluna9199 said:
could lunala and palkia work or is it too niche?
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Unfortunately Palkia has the problem of both its STABs having imperfect accuracy - it doesn’t get Scald so it’s stuck with Hydro Pump. It’s also generally outclassed by Miraidon for a special attacking Dragon
 
yeh palkia unfortunately just isnt as broken as other restricteds. However, it has a niche as a Kyogre counter cause of its typing, so it's not completely useless. It's best restricted partner is probably Calyrex-I, as it traditionally struggles with Kygore and Palkia can get's access to Trick Room.
 
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Yeah loving this regulation. Not played a ton of games but with my current team I always feel there are 3-4 viable plays a turn depending on the demonstrated skill level of my opponent. Also Lunala is just incredible, what a versatile mon.
 
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