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NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH
- Thread starter Ehmcee
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I'm not really sure how much insight I can provide now that we've drifted into metagame territory when I've never played this before, but here's some thoughts I had from catching up
- if Roxie was the doctor, anyone calling for the second transporter claim after that possibility came up and was largely agreed on looks a lot worse. Celever was the one who really doubled down on it the most.
- Given there was only one kill last night, it's still possible Roxie could be an arsonist who decided to clean himself for no good reason (and ended up cleaning hyhy?). I would consider this unlikely but worth considering if we keep going with only a single kill.
- I feel like there's a lot of opportunistic active lurking going on here an Aura Guardian simply got singled out for it when quite a few other people have been doing it, Evie's vote above feels particularly bad to me but AirC (although he has been getting better, so it could just be new person figuring this out), Evie, and Aura Guardian don't necessarily feel all that different to me
- I cannot parse a fairy or des to save my life, I've just been kind of working on assurance that they're always like this
- if everything happened as stated, HyHy cannot be third party and would have to be town specifically.
I dunno. I'm busy this evening but I don't really want to lazy bandwagon AG just yet even though it might end up that way so /shrug
I'm not really sure how much insight I can provide now that we've drifted into metagame territory when I've never played this before, but here's some thoughts I had from catching up
- if Roxie was the doctor, anyone calling for the second transporter claim after that possibility came up and was largely agreed on looks a lot worse. Celever was the one who really doubled down on it the most.
- Given there was only one kill last night, it's still possible Roxie could be an arsonist who decided to clean himself for no good reason (and ended up cleaning hyhy?). I would consider this unlikely but worth considering if we keep going with only a single kill.
- I feel like there's a lot of opportunistic active lurking going on here an Aura Guardian simply got singled out for it when quite a few other people have been doing it, Evie's vote above feels particularly bad to me but AirC (although he has been getting better, so it could just be new person figuring this out), Evie, and Aura Guardian don't necessarily feel all that different to me
- I cannot parse a fairy or des to save my life, I've just been kind of working on assurance that they're always like this
- if everything happened as stated, HyHy cannot be third party and would have to be town specifically.
I dunno. I'm busy this evening but I don't really want to lazy bandwagon AG just yet even though it might end up that way so /shrug
Roxie can't be Arsonist because Arsonist (and all NK) have basic defense, so the Mafia wouldn't have been able to kill them
des is always like this. im just not competent
oh, interesting. Thanks for pointing that out. Poor Roxie...
This is still accurate to my opinion on AG, and why I put them at the bottom of my list. The point about them being okay with following someone into a "rand" is also a bit strange
Overall we just need to vote someone today, and for me AG is the most sus
strive for greatness! you can do it!
why exactly do you think my vote is bad, im going to bed soonish so i need to vote sometime, and both me and joey have detailed why AG is our best guess
at this point they've kinda bizarrely confirmed one another as this general entity, which is slightly wild but yeah
I started trying to map out all the interactions and connections and my brain hurt when putting it into words, but basically I don't even think any specific duo within the quartet can be mafia together because of how tied up they all are, certainly no individual can be. Maybe specifically a DBD and des duo isn't fully disproven? but it's very unlikely and I just think des is town anyway.
it's kind of at the point where they're all scum or all town, and the prospect of them being all scum is too absurd to think about.
i.e. I think they all effectively have vote immunity til late game lol
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right as I was about to post this, I had a thought. "wait, watcher is a p strong mafia role what if DBD is just a mafia watcher does that exist". and yeah, that's called the recon. so actually DBD isn't at all town proven, and it could've been a gambit. I don't think voting DBD D1 actually helps with the info much, but yeah he's not part of the general close-to-clear blob that I think certainly Hydro and des are in, and Alice is p much in. DBD's towniness kinda depended on his lookout role being proven but considering it's cloned on the mafia side that isn't actually alignment indicative whoops
is this just a soul read
yeah
yeah i agree with this, even if dbd is recon, does that affect the towniness of the other three? i dont think so thinking about it quickly but im not 100%
I don't think it does really no, especially since I was just looking at even more roles and scarecrow exists so a neutral watcher also exists lmao
DBD kinda instigated the whole event but I don't think it has implications even if we see him flip as recon besides consolidating Alice being town. because, y'know, if they were partners doing a fakeclaim duo gambit then he would've taken her out of the result (as he presumably has done with whoever killed roxie in a mafia!DBD world). leaving her in as a killer would be outlandish lol
the only way the towny blob falls apart is if Hydro isn't actually one of the roles on Alice's list which redchecks her but you've gotta assume Hydro would claim that he's something else if he is so yk lol
In addition to DBD being able to be Recon, Alice can be Consigliere and have the exact same results too. But flipping any of the group doesn't really give information on that because, assuming DBD/Alice gave their actual results (or, the Lookout/Investigator version of their actual results), the alignment of any of the group doesn't actually prove anything no matter what they flip as
also my setup spec was kinda dependent on "wouldn't most neutral killing roles have killed on N1" but looking at the neutral killing roles they wouldn't have so we could acc quite easily be in a mafia's day off setup too, just to think out loud
I think tricks and traps is somewhat out(?) but maybe setup 2 is possible, I think it's strongly unlikely though
I think tricks and traps is somewhat out(?) but maybe setup 2 is possible, I think it's strongly unlikely though
Yeah, I'm trying to be as much here as I can but between just learning (especially with how confusing this early is for me) and my exams (ending tomorrow so I'll have way way more much time than before) it's kinda rough for me to be as active as yall
It feels like your reasoning has just amounted to "I agree with joey" without any sort of addition, plus most of your posts just read as "come in and state the obvious" to me rather than trying to explore new angles
I don't think dbd and alice would be mafia partners based on how the day went even if they could still possibly be mafia-aligned, had they been looking to give dbd massive town cred surely alice would've been in on it and acting in such a way as to get themselves voted. This does not preclude one of them being mafia and the other being town but based on how the day's gone I can't see them both being mafia working together
Funny because he talked me randomly via dm d1 and we talked about non game related things. I noticed after we ended the conversation that ehmcee was in the convo so it was supposed to be about the game.Also Hydro did whisper with me like when the game immediately started (not since) and in it talked about whispering with you already which explains 287 (just looked up the post lol)
Most Smogon games have a lot of mech but closed setup mechsolving sucks due to the variables and assumptions most of the time. Town basically lost Lumiose because they assumed there wouldn’t be 2 town roleblockers and there were for example
Half the time I’m mech solving but my thread presence is dominated by “nono that mech solving rabbit hole doesn’t work” bc of this kinda thing, it’s just that when in closed setup that includes more “mech solving is altogether bad because by going down this rabbit hole it pressures claims / PoEs role possibilities for scum that they’re probably not doing themselves” and that’s actual town strategy to not do that
I think if you compared me this game with prior open / semi-open games you’d see similarity bc I’m a relatively consistent player in approach but I’m not your teacher I can’t give you homework
I haven't done any homework in like a decade, please don't give me any. I'll be watching your closely
I don’t see why I’d draw attention to myself instantly with a redcheck claim
not a big fan of it because i'm committed to des being mafia and that outweighs what ag has said thus far