NOC Town of Salem 2 Mafia: Revival - WON BY THE MAFIA AND THE WITCH

Celever said:
Hydro is close to townclear, so it's technically optimal strategy for him to call the shots and get the info because he can withhold it from the mafia

but then if he's withholding the information from mafia, the only way to do that is to also withhold it from the town

so now we're kinda just sitting like :blobthumbsup:
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anyways
 
Miyami~~~ said:
so are we just following hyhy for as long as they're alive?
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After thinking about it for a while these are my thoughts:

Apparently before I woke up everyone decided to claim to someone that is as cleared as me, who was in the center of attention the whole d2 so it looks like that. He even claimed the same thing that me and everyone is theorizing it can be either investigator/consigliere :blobshrug:

I've been analyzing the setup and I think it's heavily town favored because of transporters. Transporters are so strong that I have a hard time believe there are 3 of them like Joey claimed at the end of d2 and the host decided yeah this is fine. If Jalmont is to be believed about the witch then the witch is mostly useless because she can't control our strongest roles. Mafia already has a relatively weak role like janitor so yeah this looks town favored even without knowing the rest of mafia and town roles. If we are in the witch setup we have killing power as well.

I think the most probable way we lose is by what we are doing right now of centralizing the actions around a person and that person turns out to not be town. Hydro doesn't strike me as the authoritative type and I'm not the only one that has noticed that he is being authoritative. Not that this makes him automatically mafia as people change under different circumstances but it's enough to scare me.

That being said I think AG would end up being scum in most scenarios here, Hydro alignment doesn't matter in that sense. AG claiming something outside of the investigator pool of roles when I claimed investigator so early during d2 is giving me bad vibes. Unless he somehow claimed to hydro before I did pubclaim in day 2 which is unlikely.
 
Evie said:
is the host allowed to rig the random set up???
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yeah, they shouldn't really do it

some hosts would but I don't think Ehmcee would reroll as a ToS fan

I think variance is part of the point of ToS from what I know about it. like psychic is donkey strong but ToS players relish it when it happens, is something I've heard at some point lol
 
I do kinda agree with you otherwise though Alice, and I think it's beneficial to recalibrate what we're talking about away from "is it optimal" to "is it necessary" lol
 
also with it looking like we're in confusion delusion to an increasing extent (the witch claim, but also it was likeliest anyway) I think Ehmcee would just laugh at us rolling 3 transporters bc it's thematic
 
Alice Kazumi said:
I think the most probable way we lose is by what we are doing right now of centralizing the actions around a person and that person turns out to not be town. Hydro doesn't strike me as the authoritative type and I'm not the only one that has noticed that he is being authoritative. Not that this makes him automatically mafia as people change under different circumstances but it's enough to scare me.
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I understand being scared but i think its reasonable for him to act authoritative if it's best for town
 
Celever said:
I mean it seems correct for now because AG like, probably(?) is scum anyway

I'm very curious what the hypnotist did N1 considering I don't think anything in-thread could have really been a hypnotist message

in terms of following his night action orders? imo there's reason to do that and reason not to do that. scum get to cross-reference their orders and come up with counter-strategies if they can manage to infer what Hydro is trying to do, whereas town don't (or probably won't). free willing against your orders is the best counter-counter-strategy to scum, but it depends heavily on how much info they can work out
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Not much I can do to defend myself like this.

But: Can we please stop having Bus Driver/Transporter roles on this forum? The very idea of even 2 is making my head hurt.
 
Aura Guardian said:
Not much I can do to defend myself like this.

But: Can we please stop having Bus Driver/Transporter roles on this forum? The very idea of even 2 is making my head hurt.
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as I understand it it's in ToS so it's pretty justified here

but yeah I think they're otherwise being responsibly phased out for the most part lol
 
Guys I'm trying to fight for our freedom and our most probable cause of defeat and you are making this difficult.

Let's turn this back into a NOC and have fun who is with me?

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as a reminder:

  • You were attacked but someone nursed you back to health! (Doctor)
  • A trap attacked you but someone nursed you back to health! (Trapper)
  • You were attacked but someone protected you! (Crusader)
  • An intimidating figure stopped you at your target's door. You were scared away! (Bouncer, Scarecrow)
  • You were transported to another location. (Transporter)
  • Someone occupied your night. You were role blocked! (Escort, Consort)
  • You felt a mystical power dominating you. You were controlled by a Witch! (Witch)
  • You were attacked but someone fought off your attacker! (Bodyguard)

These are the possible hypnotist messages

I think if you received any of these messages you should just tell us. we're down a witch message too, knowing that there was a witch N1 helps legitimate jalmont too

sidenote bodyguard is such noob bait because that's just outing that there's a hypnotist in the setup, unless the bodyguard also happens to die that night by direct nk lmao
 
Celever said:
as a reminder:

  • You were attacked but someone nursed you back to health! (Doctor)
  • A trap attacked you but someone nursed you back to health! (Trapper)
  • You were attacked but someone protected you! (Crusader)
  • An intimidating figure stopped you at your target's door. You were scared away! (Bouncer, Scarecrow)
  • You were transported to another location. (Transporter)
  • Someone occupied your night. You were role blocked! (Escort, Consort)
  • You felt a mystical power dominating you. You were controlled by a Witch! (Witch)
  • You were attacked but someone fought off your attacker! (Bodyguard)

These are the possible hypnotist messages

I think if you received any of these messages you should just tell us. we're down a witch message too, knowing that there was a witch N1 helps legitimate jalmont too

sidenote bodyguard is such noob bait because that's just outing that there's a hypnotist in the setup, unless the bodyguard also happens to die that night by direct nk lmao
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I'm proud of you celever you are finally reading! They grow up so fast :blobpensive:
 
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