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Resource Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer: Monotype Edition
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Easy question for you wizards I'm sure!
Im having trouble deciding if I want to run clod/quag on my ground team. I feel like Excadrill on my team is just such a valuable piece to ground and helps with picky matchups.
While quags unaware provides me solutions to a lot of the problems in this meta.
https://pokepast.es/32e463eb13689b40
That's the pokepaste to what I would be running with the addition of quag, and the removal of excadrill
What is best to run and why?
Im having trouble deciding if I want to run clod/quag on my ground team. I feel like Excadrill on my team is just such a valuable piece to ground and helps with picky matchups.
While quags unaware provides me solutions to a lot of the problems in this meta.
https://pokepast.es/32e463eb13689b40
That's the pokepaste to what I would be running with the addition of quag, and the removal of excadrill
What is best to run and why?
Clod should be run over Quag in almost every situation. Quag is too much of a Momentum sink is is useless agianst Grass types that hit Ground super effectively. Also CLod should pretty much always be Water Absorb on Ground, but Unaware could work. It also provides Toxic Spikes for Ground.Easy question for you wizards I'm sure!
Im having trouble deciding if I want to run clod/quag on my ground team. I feel like Excadrill on my team is just such a valuable piece to ground and helps with picky matchups.
While quags unaware provides me solutions to a lot of the problems in this meta.
https://pokepast.es/32e463eb13689b40
That's the pokepaste to what I would be running with the addition of quag, and the removal of excadrill
What is best to run and why?
(Damn it its my 500th post I was planning for it to be something else)
Honestly since this team is going for Sandless the Clod/Quag core is extremely nice. Quag helps check gambit and Chien-Pao, I would also suggest running a spread of Max HP, 160def, 96 Spd, Careful on Clodsire. Allows for clod to avoid the 2hko for scarf gren ice beam and meow's flower trick.Easy question for you wizards I'm sure!
Im having trouble deciding if I want to run clod/quag on my ground team. I feel like Excadrill on my team is just such a valuable piece to ground and helps with picky matchups.
While quags unaware provides me solutions to a lot of the problems in this meta.
https://pokepast.es/32e463eb13689b40
That's the pokepaste to what I would be running with the addition of quag, and the removal of excadrill
What is best to run and why?
If you go for Excadrill then you would have to make a sand base team
Is Cloyster going to be banned from BW Monotype now that its been banned from OU, as BW Mono follows the BW OU banlist?
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Monotype tiers in general aren't usage-based tiers so it will never be in alignment with what OU is doing (since BW Mono is an official tier). Usually more niche gens like 1-4 will just add the standard OU rulings + STC to start the metagame off but bans from OU itself aren't ever reflective in Monotype. Cloyster is an alarming issue in BW OU so if it was UU/RU by technicality it'd be banned in those respective usage-based tiers. For example, Gems are allowed in BW Monotype while not in BW OU. Past generation tiers don't follow usage-higher tier bans anyways due to the tier not being current gen - it's weird to ban Cloyster in such a tiny pool compared to a large BW OU player base.
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Are there any other viable sets for Meowscarada besides Scarf?
Boots and Choice band exist.
Boots makes Meowscarada a good offensive pivot with utility in hazards to put on more pressure or Sucker punch if you feel like getting away with that.
Choice Band hits like a truck shocking no one.
Turns out boosted STAB everything hurts.
It means its preemptively in that tier, since it was the quickest pao replacement. It would get updated soon (after MPL) though to reflect Weavile's real standing.
I hope this is clear, sorry for the trouble
Ok, I have not played mono much for about 6 months now. I have just returned to the scene. Currently, I have been trying to figure out ways to deal with ground as steel. Based on what I tried myself, I can't. There is literally no reliable way to beat ground as steel. You basically are forced to overpredict or be lucky. My biggest gripe with the whole situation is the combo of lando-I, excadrill, and hippodown. Lando-I has access to gravity, which once set up, steel has no switches. Orthworm dies to focus blast and can't really threaten it back, iron treads can threaten it with ice spinner but can't switch in freely because the lando user can just earth power on the switch, and even something like max spdef av goodra-H is a 2HKO with rocks/spikes up. Now comes the main problem. Assume you want to get rid of lando-I to prevent it from keep setting up repeately, then you gotta attack it, but if you do, eject button hippo(which is surprisingly common) comes it and gives excadrill enough time to completely break you team in half. If you play more defensively and try to wear lando-I down with hazards and protect spam so it gets into CB scizor BP range, the lando can take advantage of that by setting up gravity repeately and switching to exca/hippo for scizor. This is as far as I have currently thought.
Genuine question, is steel vs ground an auto-loss(as in close to a 80/20 or even 90/10 MU)?
Genuine question, is steel vs ground an auto-loss(as in close to a 80/20 or even 90/10 MU)?
For the Sand Ground matchup, Air Balloon Iron Treads puts in work against Landorus as its a decent-ish midground if it eps or gravities. Then, you would need to sack (Heatran) as Ebutton Procs (and Exca gets in) to get in Archaludon, which conviniently survives an Earthquake from Choice Band Excadrill and OHKOs with Body Press. If they swap to Clodsire, you have to get in your offensive mon (Bisharp or Scizor) as soon as possible, as Bish can run Air Balloon (or dont use Air Balloon, Black Glasses also works and ensures Lando dies at +2, you dont die to Clodsire anyway) and start SD'ing, while Scizor can Trailblaze/Bullet Punch to threaten back Ground teams. Note that people usually know Archa lives and though they can swap to Landorus, eating a Draco Meteor is undesireable as it leaves Lando at low enough health that Sciz or Bish would pick it off always, making them go Clod more usually. Try to take advantage of Clodsire trying to check Archaludon and Lando trying to take advantage of Skarmory as much as possible. Admittedly these sequences are a bit harder to do in practice than in words, but this is a way to win.
Alternatively, surprise Choice Scarf users like Archaludon, Heatran, and Gholdengo can put in hurt to Landorus, leaving it low enough to be picked off by priority. No one actually OHKOs unlike Iron Treads though.
Also, speaking of Iron Treads, a Choice Band set can eventually chip down Hippowdon since it deals ~40% with Ice Spinner, making Hippo unable to come back to swap in and Slack Off safely if it takes one (as it procs Ebutton on the first Spinner). Although CB means no Air Balloon or consistent removal, CB Treads is kinda neat on other matchups, this mu included
Although its not as easy as when Balloon Kingambit was around (as the guy always OHKOed Lando after a few deaths), its still not an autoloss unlike when facing something like Specs Keld/Walking Wake or PGlove Shifu without the correct team mates.
I hope this helps.
Alternatively, surprise Choice Scarf users like Archaludon, Heatran, and Gholdengo can put in hurt to Landorus, leaving it low enough to be picked off by priority. No one actually OHKOs unlike Iron Treads though.
Also, speaking of Iron Treads, a Choice Band set can eventually chip down Hippowdon since it deals ~40% with Ice Spinner, making Hippo unable to come back to swap in and Slack Off safely if it takes one (as it procs Ebutton on the first Spinner). Although CB means no Air Balloon or consistent removal, CB Treads is kinda neat on other matchups, this mu included
Although its not as easy as when Balloon Kingambit was around (as the guy always OHKOed Lando after a few deaths), its still not an autoloss unlike when facing something like Specs Keld/Walking Wake or PGlove Shifu without the correct team mates.
I hope this helps.
Hi, I'm making an ice team just to mess around with the team building possibilities (which is why it's illegal atm). I've been working on it for a couple days and I've been getting stuck on what Pokemon would be best to add/replace. This what I'm considering so far:
https://pokepast.es/4fd8d1d43cf61aaa
Current considerations addition-wise are Frosmoth and Mamoswine, and I'd replace G-man with Baxcalibur for validity's sake.
Curious what more experienced people have to say.
https://pokepast.es/4fd8d1d43cf61aaa
Current considerations addition-wise are Frosmoth and Mamoswine, and I'd replace G-man with Baxcalibur for validity's sake.
Curious what more experienced people have to say.
That team is illegal in current monotype. Walrein and Garmanitan aren’t in SV (and Sheer Cold is banned) Baxcalibur has also been banned. You could use Garm and Walrein in Natdex, if you got rid of Sheer Cold. Scarf with Icicle Crash, Earthquake, U-turn and Flare Blitz is the best set for Garm.
Ice is really bad in the current meta, arguably the worst type (I personally think Electric is worse), so you are going to have a rough time laddering with Ice in the current meta.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for replying
Is there a tier list for how the types compare to each other? Like, which types are the best in the metagame and which are the worst in the metagame?
heya, theres not an official tier list but me and scarfire did one together recently. This is just our personal opinion hope this helps :D
For SS, I wrote a piece of code that would add a matchup chart(table) with each type's win rates against each other on smogon stats. However, there were a lot of extra loops to jump to get the code in. So in the end, nothing went through. However, whatever you are suggesting is a viable option.
Pretty much agree with this. Shame to see Electric as the worst type. Losing Koko and not being able to reliably beat Water and Flying anymore really sunk it this gen.
Hi ! Im new so I wanted to watch the replays of that tournament is there any chance to watch them ? And if so, where I can find them ? Thanks
For each tour, replays are posted in their thread. For example Monotype Winter Seasonal, one of the ongoing singles tours current week replays can be found in its thread: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/monotype-winter-seasonal-round-10.3762467/. For team tours though such as Monotype Winter Premier however there is a dedicated replay thread for it here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/monotype-winter-premier-vi-replays.3756731/
Note: That during MWP, Zamazenta did get banned and Gouging Fire was still legal so several replays may not be relevant to the current metagame.
I was literally searching for this for like 10 minutes in the resource thread but i couldnt find anything, so i guess my question is;
- Why is there not a tierlist for types? It seems like a very important thing to take into account for people who wants to discover the tier, so it would make learning Monotype easier for beginners (like me)
I would appreciate any kind of response, could be an explanation as to why council doesn't want to do a type tierlist, or an update as in how it's going if it's in Work In Progress
Maybe i just missed it too which in this case i would appreciate someone linking it to me please.
- Why is there not a tierlist for types?
Suspect Tests happen and cause change in meta which effect the type viabilitys. For example, the recent ban of gouging fire effected the viability of Fire and (very less) of Dragon along with a few other stuff like bug. With the 1 or 2 years left of SV and some mons under radar of suspect tests meta might undergo changes again, We will get a type VR most likely at end of the gen when meta has been tiered at most and very less tiering is left to do. You can always ask which types are currently good in the discord or the room. ( Dragon, Flying, Steel are great types right now)
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Monotype seems like such an interesting meta to try out. I have alot of questions.
1: Why are Kingambit and Zamazenta banned?
2: What are considered the three best monotype teams and why?
3: Why are certain Pokemon that are banned in standard play allowed in Monotype? I’m aware that Eleki, and Volcarona are legal due to Terastilization being banned. I am also aware that since Archaludon can’t pair with Pelipper and Sneasler can’t pair with Rillaboom, those two are legal as well. But I am curious about Pokemon like Flutter Mane, Spectrier, Landorus-I, and Urshifu-Rapid Strike being allowed.
4: What is one bit of advice you would give to players getting into Monotype?
1: Why are Kingambit and Zamazenta banned?
2: What are considered the three best monotype teams and why?
3: Why are certain Pokemon that are banned in standard play allowed in Monotype? I’m aware that Eleki, and Volcarona are legal due to Terastilization being banned. I am also aware that since Archaludon can’t pair with Pelipper and Sneasler can’t pair with Rillaboom, those two are legal as well. But I am curious about Pokemon like Flutter Mane, Spectrier, Landorus-I, and Urshifu-Rapid Strike being allowed.
4: What is one bit of advice you would give to players getting into Monotype?