NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

apricity said:
OK honestly i was planning to start posting tomorrow morning but my calendar is actually busy as fuck so let's just go for it now. I'm going to start by setting expectations.

This is going to be a fun game for me. The last time I was town was a full year ago in small street where I was trying to make it to day 2 and got obviously did not achieve that objective. And then the time before that was in 2023 when people really did not give me a shot since I just came off a big scumgame and I don't think anyone really cared to try to trust my alignment. So legitimately it's probably been close to 3 years since I've last actually played town.

Judging by what's been said in this thread already, I'll not be playing the way people expect me to play this game.

I'm going to focus more on developing reads than leading wagons. I honestly don't expect myself to have very good reads this game -- it's been so long since I've sat down and tried to figure out alignments. So I'll not be leading wagons because I'm not sure about the accuracy of my high confidence reads, if they even exist.

The one kind of philosophy I'm continuing to believe in is that being transparent with my thoughts puts me at a disadvantage. If I say, "Oh, X is not posting the way I expect them to, that's weird", then I can't really use that expectation or read for the rest of the game because X now knows that they are being observed for a certain kind of behavior. So I won't be sharing 90% of the thoughts that I'm having. I'll share thoughts and read processes when I feel like I've had all the pieces of the puzzle to determine someone's alignment and I want to be convincing rather than investigating.

So it'll be frustrating for people to get a read on me this game, I'm sure. I expect to be in the null section of the reads list for most of the game. I'm fine with that. I'll be playing my game and trying to be useful to my team in ways that make sense to me.

With that out of the way, I've been more or less fine with how day 1 is progressing. I do have early thoughts on alignments, honestly more than I would have thought at this stage, but I'm still working on them so they won't be shared.

Is there any interest in this slot?

vote celever
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There is interest in this slot, since at the time you voted for it it was already the second-lead wagon

Strange post haha
 
Anyway maybe I’m pocketed but wisteria vote is good yeah

I don’t think Flandrs is the info vote anymore probably, the interesting grouping is a fairy / Evie and then wisteria is in this but not quite as much as the big 2

A fairy and Evie are disproportionately closely linked this game.

Both agreed on Flandrs (down to “I’m not saying he’s town but I don’t think the cases so far mean he’s scum”) which is noteworthy given Evie’s low number of posts. This could be whiteknighting from these two with a town!Flandrs in hindsight, but ofc it could be the level 1 they’re just protecting their buddy as well.

But then when I put attention on Evie the defenders were a fairy again, and wisteria. And skipper iirc too right? Not saying all of the group are scum, mostly that it’s another big connection between a fairy and Evie. But I’m partial to a wisteria vote because of her link to the duo in that situation, if we don’t just take aim at the duo.

The connections between a fairy and Evie aren’t egregious on their own, but they are egregious given the otherwise low content quantity of Evie. There’s no balance to the Evie/a fairy relationship, they’re just aligned in every regard so far
 
NightEmerald said:
re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving and positioning wise theyre in the spot that no vote really has people putting focus on celever so much as other people (mostly me tbh).

However I don’t understand why celever’s interactions with fairy happen as a wolf, like what’s that accomplishing? As town its got the barely allowable “seeing what happens when theyre mad” element but as scum? I feel like there are so many better things to be done w one’s time.
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It’s a little strange you’re echoing Hal’s “no one’s putting attention on Celever” sentiment as soon as he posts it when Celever has 3 votes at the time of this posting, and the slot is being tunnelled by Flandrs idk

This is a bit of a U-Turn from your prior takes as well
 
also M2H I do have to say it and idk why no one else has jumped in to help out

There are minor scum pings for me from skipper I acc think he’s still a scumlean for me, but the content of his posts regarding you to a fairy was warning her that it’s not a good idea to vote for you

Like you have just misread those posts I think ahah
 
Evie said:
My scumreads may be misjudged or of poor quality since i am not used to reads at all but here goes:

Celever- Im slightly scumleaning because there were a lot of aggressive reads that didnt make a ton of sense, and wasn't something i saw a lot of from them when i last played with them as town. I believe they might be trying to go off the fact that people would expect a strong mafia player to not make crazy scumreads as scum.

pulsar - i have a veryyyyy slight scumlean since a lot of their content is just small conversation, which seems like something a mafia who is trying to stay under the radar but still seem active might do. However I have never played with them before so this might just be normal for them, who knows.

ck - their day 1 seems similar to when i last played with them in that they tend to be active and push people with not much to go off, so im leaning town for them

a fairy- i think shes likely to be town since she has been pretty active in making reads and sparking discussion when i think scum fairy is much less likely to do so

will probably try make more reads in the future but this is what im feeling for now. take everything with a grain of salt
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Oh yeah and ofc Evie does townread a fairy when they come back to thread as well

They actually disagree over me since a fairy expressed a townread for me though so there’s some difference there gj gj
 
Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further.

In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious). I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further, given that they would probably know im very vulnerable to pocketing (joey would know)
 
Celever said:
It’s a little strange you’re echoing Hal’s “no one’s putting attention on Celever” sentiment as soon as he posts it when Celever has 3 votes at the time of this posting, and the slot is being tunnelled by Flandrs idk

This is a bit of a U-Turn from your prior takes as well
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Yes, very strange that he'd wait until there's votes on you... it's almost like he was waiting for you to put more words in the thread before forming a solid read and acting on it:

"As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread if you flip town or scum, if flandrs flips town now, sure id 100% look into celever because the time worn trope of tvt while scum lets it happen is a thing but i don’t really think voting celever off the rip is a good idea w/o more words in the thread." (from 270, which I assume is the "prior take" you're referring to)

Also how is his stance a u-turn from previous posts if his previous stance was predicated on something that's no longer the case (you having relatively little thread presence)? This is such a weak response to pressure.

I also object to the fixation on Evie as a way to shift the thread in another direction when the main argument is pairing with af. Low post count + new player (at least around here) make her such an easy target for scum counterwagons. I'm still not a fan of her posts re: myself and af but that's a D2 issue as far as I'm concerned.
 
AP is posting fine aorn, in particular the way they approach foandrs isn’t something I would expect from W!AP

NE is town lol

A fairy going “the flandrs argument, yknow the guy everyone is talking about once we’re out of RVS? That’s irrelevant.” Is an intriguing take, I don’t know if it’s AI though

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Celever admitting to ragebaiting flandrs in-thread is unfortunately towny LOL, not sure how cele has just not reconsidered his read at all and instead put him as paired with evie though.

AF is doing ~something and her frustrated tone reads as real, still not liking her lack of commitment to any kind of stance though.

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Pulsar jumping in to say nothing of value is just blegh even if it’s pulsar

I don’t like NE just placing a naked vote on des, still think he’s town on a macro level though.

Evie’s catchup is pinging me in both directions at once.

M2H said:
friend how did you forget to list your top(?) scum read
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AP is someone I made like one comment about then ignored, idk how you got to the conclusion he’s my top scumread.

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StupidFlandrs48 said:
I vibe with a lot of this, thank you!

Re: pulsar, she has a lot of baseline thread habits that can scumping people by default, but she p much always flips town when that happens so don’t be one of those people who jumps to conclusions about her and has to eat crow (I did twice)
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How far in her townmeta do you think she is right now?

I think just writing people off as scummy town carelessly is a pretty bad habit to fall into, but if she’s genuinely just in her townmeta then whatever I’ll deal.

I disagree with neon’s read on NE but it’s like vibes-based in a way that I can’t actually argue with, regardless I think the thought process behind it is fine for neon.

Idk what hal is doing this game but my gun to head impression is that this is a pretty ridiculous way for scum to play, so he’s fine for now.

Not really vibing with AP’s scum reads but I think his posting is still ok otherwise.
 
Evie said:
Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further.

In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious). I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further, given that they would probably know im very vulnerable to pocketing (joey would know)
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This post is kinda towny, I’m not sure if this is the kind of reaction test W!Evie would conjure up.
 
CrreamyKitty said:
Celever admitting to ragebaiting flandrs in-thread is unfortunately towny LOL, not sure how cele has just not reconsidered his read at all and instead put him as paired with evie though.

AF is doing ~something and her frustrated tone reads as real, still not liking her lack of commitment to any kind of stance though.

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Hey I have been reconsidering but I actually agree with M2H’s take (Flandrs has two modes, angry and focussed or bombastic and chaotic) and he tends to go into the angry and focussed more as town

Initially on his return he came in hot with bombastic and chaotic but has since progressed to a more angry and focussed demeanour which is why I’m looking elsewhere atm such as toward Evie or a fairy

I read Evie’s post earlier but gonna reread now to digest it bc that post knocked me sideways lol
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Yes, very strange that he'd wait until there's votes on you... it's almost like he was waiting for you to put more words in the thread before forming a solid read and acting on it:

"As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread if you flip town or scum, if flandrs flips town now, sure id 100% look into celever because the time worn trope of tvt while scum lets it happen is a thing but i don’t really think voting celever off the rip is a good idea w/o more words in the thread." (from 270, which I assume is the "prior take" you're referring to)

Also how is his stance a u-turn from previous posts if his previous stance was predicated on something that's no longer the case (you having relatively little thread presence)? This is such a weak response to pressure.

I also object to the fixation on Evie as a way to shift the thread in another direction when the main argument is pairing with af. Low post count + new player (at least around here) make her such an easy target for scum counterwagons. I'm still not a fan of her posts re: myself and af but that's a D2 issue as far as I'm concerned.
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1) I’m the highest poster in the game p sure, don’t think that applies at all

2) he made several prior takes calling me town and 0 calling me scum. Not just the one you picked out. So yeah it’s a U-Turn he had actual progression on me over the game he just abandoned. Including recent wrt me vs a fairy

3) this implies the Evie read is a crazy random thing I’m doing to divert attention. I’ve had this view on Evie since early on in the game. And yes the intent is by law of double effect to divert attention, every time we post in mafia it’s to draw attention to a view we have. What about re-expressing this established read of mine is doing that in a scummy way lol
 
Evie said:
Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further.

In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious). I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further, given that they would probably know im very vulnerable to pocketing (joey would know)
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So uh

So do you think a fairy and Joey are scum together or
 
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