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wis is town im not so sure about ck but im gonna have to reread them a bit
neon is town and I do *somewhat* agree with the AP stuff. Last night, reading AP, a lot of their posting just had me ask “what’s the point of all of this” That said, they’re far more willing to engage directly with others aorn so I mark it a terrible vote for d1 specifically.
I am still not sure of CK’s alignment.
Celever looks really good from how they approach ck but I feel like misunderstandings can be kiiinda easy to fake, wouldn’t vote them but would like to see them interact with more ppl
Did you see the subsequent celever and wis reads? I feel like once vs three times are entirely different circumstances, especially when it feels like flandrs is not interested in finding other town either
sorry in advance this post is gonna be super disjointed
slept on the flandrs read
relooking at his more recent posting it actually seems much more reasonable hence i am comfy to unvote for now at the very least ##Unvote
i'm still fairly confident on town!AF. i stand by my belief that scum in general (let alone her?) wouldn't post as she did earlier in defense of flandrs. did a really quick skim of lumiose to sanity check my thoughts and yeah i think it holds up (a very specific thought i had then re: AF was that she seemed non-committal, which well idt that's happening here LMAO)
#409 from DBD definitely gives me good vibes, i like the active effort to keep the thread on track
M2H feels fine as well but part of me wants to properly re-read them before straight endorsing a read
why don't you think that doesn't makes sense lol? like if AF can't get a handle of certain slots of course she's gonna enourage discussion there
its town NE why don't you guys get it :( AngryPidgeon i think you mentioned that you thought my NE read felt forced? i did mention that i tend to be able to snipe NE's alignment early on, hence why my actual RVS vote was him + i liveposted with him earlier to see where his head was at. my conclusion then was "seems like town!NE" and his posting following that has been enough to solidify that imo.
(the mindmeld refers to him asking me about flandrs right as i post my own thoughts)
i do wish you pressed me about it instead of jumping to "it feels forced" though
i really don't see what neon means re: the flandrs read being peer-reviewed and pulsar jumping onto that read + calling it the most promising scum crumb so far without much elaboration is ?
will admit that his skip read still leaves me a bit baffled though rofl NightEmerald given skip's recent posting do you think it still holds?
celever mentions me defending evie
but i think i will now because evie doesn't seem particularly odd to me? like yeah in #213 she agrees with AF's read but she posts her own substantiation to it and i think #446 and #508 read genuine
Ch3mdah not wanting to vote d1 is mehh i can see it from either alignment and i think trying to read something out of it would be grasping for straws tho i do wish they'd post thoughts on the gamestate des121 i get that you're busy at work so when you aren't do you mind posing some thoughts on where your head's at
same for joey
hal finally posted confetti emoji and i do get the information hazard thing presented but at the same time i don't know how i feel about him openly admitting to keeping 90% of his thoughts to himself (like you can combat information hazard without hiding the vast majority of your thoughts i feel + this would make it hard to read his progression)
he seems fine with being left in null which well, interesting sentiment
can someone who has played with scum!hal before speak on how he tends to approach his scumgames? i find myself considering the same reasoning i employed for town!AF but without a reference point for scum!hal i have to consider the possibility that this is an insane gambit
so where does that leave me?
uhh it leaves me at a point where i get the feeling that my initial coloured readslist was wrong so bleh it is re-eval time
think the hills i can die on here tho are town!AP, town!NE, town!AF, and maaaybe town!CK (i think my earlier thoughts on him still hold) + town!DBD. re: cel i think there has been enough sentiment in-thread that has made me want to expedite re-evaluating them, but at the same time i kind of wanna hold off on that until D2 + i'd exclude them from my votepool for today, anyway
unpairings that i'd probably take a non-zero amount of stock in:
AP/flandrs
celever/flandrs
celever/evie
celever/NE
wow thats a lot of celever unpairs maybe they really are just town and im doubting myself for no reason
i think it's lame that i find myself coming to similar-ish conclusions re: slots that ping weird (read: skip/pulsar) so i'm partially inclined to hold my vote + wait and see for now
I’ll reply to the bit relevant to something I said now and digest the rest between calls as it’s a wall
Yeah I’d agree the phrasing I used “wisteria defended Evie” was too absolutist, in context with a fairy and skipper having the incredulous reactions your post seemed to add to the incredulity and it could still be meaningful if a fairy and Evie are paired but you’re right that it’s insufficient for a just Evie/you pair
My scumreads may be misjudged or of poor quality since i am not used to reads at all but here goes:
Celever- Im slightly scumleaning because there were a lot of aggressive reads that didnt make a ton of sense, and wasn't something i saw a lot of from them when i last played with them as town. I believe they might be trying to go off the fact that people would expect a strong mafia player to not make crazy scumreads as scum.
pulsar - i have a veryyyyy slight scumlean since a lot of their content is just small conversation, which seems like something a mafia who is trying to stay under the radar but still seem active might do. However I have never played with them before so this might just be normal for them, who knows.
ck - their day 1 seems similar to when i last played with them in that they tend to be active and push people with not much to go off, so im leaning town for them
a fairy- i think shes likely to be town since she has been pretty active in making reads and sparking discussion when i think scum fairy is much less likely to do so
will probably try make more reads in the future but this is what im feeling for now. take everything with a grain of salt
Re: pulsar, she has a lot of baseline thread habits that can scumping people by default, but she p much always flips town when that happens so don’t be one of those people who jumps to conclusions about her and has to eat crow (I did twice)
the idea to try and push further was after she defended me from you, which was what gave me the worry that i might be being pocketed. It wasnt a long term gameplan or anything or something i had planned from the start, just something i thought id do on the side to see if i could catch her out
Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further.
In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious). I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further, given that they would probably know im very vulnerable to pocketing (joey would know)
I’ll reply to the bit relevant to something I said now and digest the rest between calls as it’s a wall
Yeah I’d agree the phrasing I used “wisteria defended Evie” was too absolutist, in context with a fairy and skipper having the incredulous reactions your post seemed to add to the incredulity and it could still be meaningful if a fairy and Evie are paired but you’re right that it’s insufficient for a just Evie/you pair
great thing to flag tbh, it has only been 7 hours since Evie’s previous post and it was a content post. Seems a little funny for Flandrs to go in with the “wait you still exist”. I’m not sure what conclusion there is there atm but it seems inorganic at minimum
Otherwise the content is largely just the emerging factionalism that was happening at the time, with Flandrs and Evie agreeing that I’m scum and a fairy is town.
Evie’s tryna throw a spanner into that factionalism now which is interesting to see because the more I look at the history of these posts the more I’m unsure about whether Evie is more partnered with a fairy or Flandrs, but it feels strongly like at least one of them
I could absolutely see a universe where Evie and Flandrs whiteknight a fairy to look good when she flips town, and a universe where Evie and a fairy whiteknight Flandrs for the same reason. I can also see the they actually are all 3 just mafia universe lol, but Evie is so in the mix with these two
the idea to try and push further was after she defended me from you, which was what gave me the worry that i might be being pocketed. It wasnt a long term gameplan or anything or something i had planned from the start, just something i thought id do on the side to see if i could catch her out
This is an understandable justification I just think FMPOV the play doesn’t fully track
Whether it fully tracks or not isn’t necessarily AI though. I probably do believe you thought the play made sense in any combination of you/a fairy T or S
I'm reading through wis to form an opinion on some of their progression bc now people are looking at them more closely.
Last time I had analyzed them they were pretty towny to me based on the nature of their posts
The end of 146, I feel like the "scum are the inactives" feels very smogon towny if anything. Though I can agree that it reads clashy with the prior statement.
157 does a good job justifying her statement
166 and 168 is a really awkward interaction but it's awkward enough with the timing that I struggle to see it as s/s.
164, wis votes flandrs for the first time
at 286, wis claims that the flandrs vote was to move out of RVS (fair)
At 349, wis further explains that "i initally hopped on because i scumleaned him off of him trying to imply AP was doing smth with the double reply/reasearching flavour" which is consistent with "grasping at straws to discredit someone at worst" on 146.
533, wis moves off of flandrs bc his recent posting "has been better"
And Wisteria started by putting me as maybe town then calling NE a mindmeld(??) which felt a bit stilted to me. Then Wisteria is also townreading Celever, who is another big voice in the thread. It does paint a picture of being a bit opportunistic with reads, especially the NE one felt forced to me.
I feel like the mindmeld comment comes moreso is more rooted in them knowing each other oog. But idt townreading a big voice in thread is necessarily a bad thing, if anything should be common practice?
wisteriapurple good post overall I’ll reply to the Hal section
Hal is a power player as either alignment. Hal has expressed he doesn’t want to be a power player this game. Ergo, Hal is not Hal. Give his password back, Hal 2.
That is to say this is way out of step with his town and scum games and we kinda can’t do any meta reading on him at the moment. I don’t think he’s gonna keep this playstyle up all game though, but for now it’s a bit of a dead slot as far as game progression is concerned.
I was actually been initially vague about Hal all game because I was confident he was gonna enter thread with some kind of theory about how players responding to inactives produces some kind of locked in 100% accurate tell and I didn’t wanna give his game up lol. It’s an understatement to say I’m disappointed with what we got
Fwiw the disappointment proooooobably does lean more scummy than towny because being out of character for a town gambit would produce some kind of interesting even if misguided results most of the time
What we got doesn’t really move the needle at all, which for a gambit as public and noteworthy as this feels as though there’s an absence of town there, which would mean scum but
