NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

skippergamez said:
I'm reading through wis to form an opinion on some of their progression bc now people are looking at them more closely.

Last time I had analyzed them they were pretty towny to me based on the nature of their posts

The end of 146, I feel like the "scum are the inactives" feels very smogon towny if anything. Though I can agree that it reads clashy with the prior statement.
157 does a good job justifying her statement
166 and 168 is a really awkward interaction but it's awkward enough with the timing that I struggle to see it as s/s.

164, wis votes flandrs for the first time
at 286, wis claims that the flandrs vote was to move out of RVS (fair)
At 349, wis further explains that "i initally hopped on because i scumleaned him off of him trying to imply AP was doing smth with the double reply/reasearching flavour" which is consistent with "grasping at straws to discredit someone at worst" on 146.
533, wis moves off of flandrs bc his recent posting "has been better"

I feel like the mindmeld comment comes moreso is more rooted in them knowing each other oog. But idt townreading a big voice in thread is necessarily a bad thing, if anything should be common practice?

So um after all this I still think wis is town.
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I think I’m inclined to agree btw, I don’t think wisteria is a valid vote today prob
 
Evie said:
Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further.

In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious). I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further, given that they would probably know im very vulnerable to pocketing (joey would know)
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wisteriapurple said:
what specifically about the wording strikes you weird?
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"Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy" - this is the timing part. It's obviously is reactionary but i'm not sure if it comes from town or scum
"i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further" - this reads infromed
"In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious)" - this is where I don't like the wording bc it is a very sharp change of opinion, but she said "than i said." Which implies that they actually wasn't sure a fairy was town on 446, but said it anyways???? which I don't believe
"I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further" - this feels very high level and I'm not sure if I believe it to be true, not to doubt their abilities, but this is my first game with them so I have limited info on their game.

So yeah, this post gives me a major red flag
 
skippergamez said:
"Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy" - this is the timing part. It's obviously is reactionary but i'm not sure if it comes from town or scum
"i dont think a fairy will try to link with me further" - this reads infromed
"In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious)" - this is where I don't like the wording bc it is a very sharp change of opinion, but she said "than i said." Which implies that they actually wasn't sure a fairy was town on 446, but said it anyways???? which I don't believe
"I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further" - this feels very high level and I'm not sure if I believe it to be true, not to doubt their abilities, but this is my first game with them so I have limited info on their game.

So yeah, this post gives me a major red flag
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wait i really like this analysis thank you for breaking it down so thoroughly LOL
 
Celever said:
There is interest in this slot, since at the time you voted for it it was already the second-lead wagon

Strange post haha
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Celever said:
It’s a little strange you’re echoing Hal’s “no one’s putting attention on Celever” sentiment as soon as he posts it when Celever has 3 votes at the time of this posting, and the slot is being tunnelled by Flandrs idk
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Hi I'm not going to allow this.

You had two votes in a 17 player game.

Please do not pretend like that was a wagon.
 
apricity said:
Hi I'm not going to allow this.

You had two votes in a 17 player game.

Please do not pretend like that was a wagon.
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It was absolutely a wagon they weren’t RVS votes and no one had more besides a fairy who had an RVS vote, plus I had one of the highest quantities of post content regarding my slot

You definitely jumped on the wagon pretending you started it is bizarre lol
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
Votecount 1.2
a fairy (2): joey, skippergamez
StupidFlandrs48 (2): wisteriapurple, CrreamyKitty
des121 (2): AngryPidgeon, NightEmerald
AngryPidgeon (1): ImaginaryNeon
Celever (1): StupidFlandrs48
NightEmerald (1): pulsar512b

Deadline is in approximately 23.5 hours.
Ping me for any mistakes!
And remember to format your votes as ##vote
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There was no wagon on you.

This is a blatant and shameless lie.
 
Celever said:
Now that you’ve said this there’s a 90% chance Neon is gonna post a screenshot of a ChatGPT prompt
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No?
I have standards.
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Celever said:
A fairy and Evie are disproportionately closely linked this game.

Both agreed on Flandrs (down to “I’m not saying he’s town but I don’t think the cases so far mean he’s scum”) which is noteworthy given Evie’s low number of posts. This could be whiteknighting from these two with a town!Flandrs in hindsight, but ofc it could be the level 1 they’re just protecting their buddy as well.

But then when I put attention on Evie the defenders were a fairy again, and wisteria. And skipper iirc too right? Not saying all of the group are scum, mostly that it’s another big connection between a fairy and Evie. But I’m partial to a wisteria vote because of her link to the duo in that situation, if we don’t just take aim at the duo.

The connections between a fairy and Evie aren’t egregious on their own, but they are egregious given the otherwise low content quantity of Evie. There’s no balance to the Evie/a fairy relationship, they’re just aligned in every regard so far
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how in the world do you get three upped antes on me being linked to evie in a single post somehow after i have interacted with her nothing at all and only called out your bonkers single-post-justification hard linking evie to someone else?
 
skippergamez said:
"Ok ill come out and say it now since with Celever establishing a link between me and a fairy" - this is the timing part. It's obviously is reactionary but i'm not sure if it comes from town or scum
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I did it at this time because i felt like the viability of the bait on fairy had run its course and it was better to explain myself now than late
skippergamez said:
"In #446, I gave the inclination towards town fairy, however im actually more suspicious towards fairy than i said (not saying im scumleaning but i am suspicious)" - this is where I don't like the wording bc it is a very sharp change of opinion, but she said "than i said." Which implies that they actually wasn't sure a fairy was town on 446, but said it anyways???? which I don't believe
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You can not believe it but in #446 i did just lie about my read on fairy. The "sharp change of opinion" is because i lied about my original opinion
skippergamez said:
"I did this to see if fairy would try to pocket me further" - this feels very high level and I'm not sure if I believe it to be true, not to doubt their abilities, but this is my first game with them so I have limited info on their game.
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It is high level yeah and i havent made plays like this before but i thought i should be more careful after being pocketed last game, and this was my best idea for how to see if fairy was trying to pocket me
 
Celever said:
it could still be meaningful if a fairy and Evie are paired but you’re right that it’s insufficient for a just Evie/you pair
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we're paired in the sense that evie's got a good chance of being town too yeah
Celever said:
I could absolutely see a universe where Evie and Flandrs whiteknight a fairy to look good when she flips town, and a universe where Evie and a fairy whiteknight Flandrs for the same reason. I can also see the they actually are all 3 just mafia universe lol, but Evie is so in the mix with these two
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jesus christ evie had THREE POSTS and i went "hey how are you pairing someone who has three posts" and then she went, yeah hey thanks for that
Celever said:
What we got doesn’t really move the needle at all, which for a gambit as public and noteworthy as this feels as though there’s an absence of town there, which would mean scum but :blobshrug:
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yeah the hal post is super a letdown, i havent figured whether it leans scummy or towny to me yet, will want to see more, but i recall not finding myself agreeing with the assessments made in his post about the game/himself
 
NightEmerald said:
Did you see the subsequent celever and wis reads? I feel like once vs three times are entirely different circumstances, especially when it feels like flandrs is not interested in finding other town either
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I feel like either Emerald's just lost the plot at this point or I'm having a severe lapse in memory.
Because I'm pretty sure the point being addressed was something along the lines of, "I had these ideas at seperate times, hence the double posting," and I simply do not see the correlation between this post and the one that it is quoting.

I may just be missing something though.
 
NightEmerald said:
Did you see the subsequent celever and wis reads? I feel like once vs three times are entirely different circumstances, especially when it feels like flandrs is not interested in finding other town either
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Oh wait it's talking about this part of the post.
AngryPidgeon said:
Im not going to proactively read Flandrs. My track record on reading him is like 0 for 3. If he says something that strikes me, Ill take a stance.
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So yes, I was missing something lmao
 
bonkers readback anyway

literally every connection between evie and myself that people are calling paired is the equivalent of a musician performing at a concert telling people to help someone getting beat up in the crowd and that person happened to be a fancam creator of said musician
 
a fairy I'd assume you'd have a reaction to Evie's posts stating that actually she lied about townreading you and thinks you're scum and it was all a gambit to see if you'd pocket them

what is your reaction to it
 
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