ugh fine
##Unvote for now (I still expect better friend, I know you have it in ya
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NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN
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I think there is a high chance that if I sat down and really read Flanders posts that I'd find a good reason to yeat him off a cliff.
Just a feeling I'm having.
Of course, being that I'm sleeping on the floor right now I may not have the energy to test that theory.
Just a feeling I'm having.
Of course, being that I'm sleeping on the floor right now I may not have the energy to test that theory.
You seem to be doing a good enough job getting yourself to go after him actually.
Then again apricity is capable of playing relatively openscum styles(!). It usually goes well for him because people sheep him relatively blindly and if he tanks his own town cred by mislynching folks then it becomes more plausible that he wouldn't be night killed so it's a win win for him. That's exactly what you described above.
I, again, want to point out that apricity pinged me with his first post talking about how he wants to approach this game. It was basically a nothingburger. He essentially said "I'm not confident in my reads anymore, but here's my vote and I'm not going to explain why and I'm not going to ask people to sheep it" which frankly, that felt performative to me. He aggressively pushed his read yesterday and didn't really hesitate much or reconsider in lieu of the tracker claim. So if you peel the performative humble vibes back that post was essentially just apricity giving himself permission to be wrong and that's what pinged me.
Unfortunately for you, this is actually how I intend to approach the game. So whatever you think about this playstyle, this is what I'll be doing.
When I say I'm not leading wagons, it means I'm not going around pitching votes.
I won't be pinging five townreads and asking them to work with me. I won't be shopping consensus votes across people I want to vote with me. And I haven't. That's what I would consider "aggressively pushed". I don't think by my standards that what I did to Cel was aggressive. I dropped a vote to gauge some reactions, I asked some questions to Cel, and then I dropped a case. That's how I'll be playing for this entire game and I don't consider this "aggressively pushed" at all.
I will drop reads, yes. I may be the first person to have that read on a certain person. And I will certainly be voting.
But I won't be forcing my wagons through. If a counterwagon wins, it wins. That's what I mean.
You mentioned again that I didn't reconsider after the tracker claim. That's correct. I gave my explanation below. I thought it fit meta:
I don't know if you've forgotten what it feels like to play a game with me when I'm actually townleading.
I'll, like, literally just constantly ping people until I get them to vote the people that I want them to vote.
I'm making a conscious effort to move away from that.
I'll, like, literally just constantly ping people until I get them to vote the people that I want them to vote.
I'm making a conscious effort to move away from that.
It's hard for me to understand how on one hand you can be doubting the strength of your reads in a current smogon context but on the other hand be confident enough to lynch probably one of the top 4 rep players d1 through a tracker claim and after self voting. That sounds like a lot of confidence, so there's a disconnect there. And yeah I'm a hypocrite, but my whole energy on that vote was "hey maybe this is a hit, but could we please do something else because I really don't want to do this right now."
I do see you being less explicit about directing votes, and maybe that is the extent to which you were expressing a lack of confidence, but everything else I'm seeing and hearing from you is to the contrary.
I do see you being less explicit about directing votes, and maybe that is the extent to which you were expressing a lack of confidence, but everything else I'm seeing and hearing from you is to the contrary.
I'm busy with both thinking abt this and with irl stuff, I've been reading but was kinda out of it mentally for a lot of D1. That being said, I do think flandrs leans towards town here, I still don't really get why he was piled on during D1 (probably from scumreading, but i'm terrible at doing that). Aside from that, he comes off as town leaning to me, though this is my first NOC and I could easily be embarrassingly wrong. I'm sure if I look through the entire game from page 1 onwards I'd probably have a few reasons for myself to believe flandrs could lean mafia instead.
Aside from that, that's really the only read I have that i'm decently ok with, I don't know enough about anyone to point at them and say with confidence whether they're town or maf. For who I believe flips maf the hardest, it would be NE but I don't really have a good reason as for why. Tell if you want anyone specific for me to make a read on
Its alarming that my only real townreads are Dbd / CK and somewhat Flandrs/ NE. And I dont feel great about these reads either.
Id much rather be townhunting but not sure where to begin. I suppose Wisteria and Joey are important to sort out and worth a reread.
Id much rather be townhunting but not sure where to begin. I suppose Wisteria and Joey are important to sort out and worth a reread.
Can you explain this sentiment? Do you think self votes are usually town?
Ok actually I decided to look at pulsar instead because I can usually read her. I think her posts come off as a bit forced when shes mafia and I haven't really thought much about her today so here it is.
Pulsar was a bit fence sitty about my Celever post. I don't think I bounced around but Flandrs also expressed something similar. I hope pulsar isn't copying sentiments from flandrs.. but in general i find her post here townish. Scum more likely to just take a stand I think. Calling it NAI at the end seems like she is trying to think about it from multiple angles.
*Referring to fairy liking Neon*
Pulsar actually chatted with fairy quite a bit. I think that looks good for pulsar cause why would she chat up fairy as scum and then NK fairy. Wifomy maybe but as maf you typically avoid killing townies who you spend a lot of unprompted time talking with.
Neons case against NE was more about vibes than anything. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Fairy praised Neon and expresssd anti D1 sentiment. Again makes me think pulsar unlikely to kill fairy if shes scum and pocketing fairy.
How would new scum be different? Also, is Chem new? I didn't quite get that impression
Curious who Pulsar means by that
hopefully not me
Well she has been consistent about scum reading NE. Overall I do feel a lot better about Pulsar after this ISO. A lot of her posts are banter or yap but i think that's actually more on brand for town pulsar.
Im gonna reread a bit more until I fall asleep
Yes, this is my first NOC
Okay cool I'm now choosing to blame you for everything that's about to go wrong in these next 25 pages.
##Vote: apricity
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apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon
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apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon
Deadline is in approximately 37 hours and 20 minutes
do you have a reason for why you think that tho?
yeye can you talk to me about the following slots: AP/evie/CK/apricity
Sup, I’ve skimmed the past few pages and I’m here to blurt out some thoughts I had while reading
I think today seeming to be centred around high rep players (AP, M2H, hal, etc.) not being killed is a pretty bad way to go about today in this setup, there’s about a gazillion explanations for why a fairy was killed instead. Scum wanting to doc dodge, stronger players underperforming, scum wanting to induce paranoia, PR hunts, no info kills, destroying towncore, etc. to the point that it’s pretty absurd to be basing any scumread off of it.
Wasn’t a fan of ch3 and AP’s EOD’s, both kinda just existed and placed a meaningless vote with no urgency while town seemed to be blowing itself up, and I’m also at this point not particularly interested in letting des live despite afking the entire game.
I think today seeming to be centred around high rep players (AP, M2H, hal, etc.) not being killed is a pretty bad way to go about today in this setup, there’s about a gazillion explanations for why a fairy was killed instead. Scum wanting to doc dodge, stronger players underperforming, scum wanting to induce paranoia, PR hunts, no info kills, destroying towncore, etc. to the point that it’s pretty absurd to be basing any scumread off of it.
Wasn’t a fan of ch3 and AP’s EOD’s, both kinda just existed and placed a meaningless vote with no urgency while town seemed to be blowing itself up, and I’m also at this point not particularly interested in letting des live despite afking the entire game.
Where do you get the townreads on me/dbd from? I don’t recall you really explaining them.
Fuck I accidentally deleted my whole NE iso
Basically in my eval, NE had some glaring holes:
He never provided a read on Flandrs. 220 was a glaring part of this. His first part of d1 centered around Flandrs and it just never ended in a read. Specifically, the concerning part of 220 is “so much so as forcing a conflict between the two [Flandrs and AP]” and then NE forces a conflict between Flandrs and himself. And then 600 he gives examples of bad reads from Flandrs and then never really uses the bad reads to form an opinion on Flandrs.
The other hole is his Celever progression, we go from
222: “Celever looks really good from how they approach ck”
270: “As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread”
489: “re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving”
601: “wow this guy has been shockingly unproductive despite how many posts they have”
726: “The problem is that so much of your posting just doesn’t really do shit?”
So like the jump from 222 to 489 is kinda alarming
So like these two holes make me very weary; however, the rest of the iso I felt like it came from a town perspective overall and not the way scum would be playing.
Also, to follow up with my Evie vote on d1
Basically in my eval, NE had some glaring holes:
He never provided a read on Flandrs. 220 was a glaring part of this. His first part of d1 centered around Flandrs and it just never ended in a read. Specifically, the concerning part of 220 is “so much so as forcing a conflict between the two [Flandrs and AP]” and then NE forces a conflict between Flandrs and himself. And then 600 he gives examples of bad reads from Flandrs and then never really uses the bad reads to form an opinion on Flandrs.
The other hole is his Celever progression, we go from
222: “Celever looks really good from how they approach ck”
270: “As I see it celever is playing into the role of a spectator which doesn’t really affect his position in the thread”
489: “re:celever vote I’m interested in that I think celever’s really not been proactive wrt solving”
601: “wow this guy has been shockingly unproductive despite how many posts they have”
726: “The problem is that so much of your posting just doesn’t really do shit?”
So like the jump from 222 to 489 is kinda alarming
So like these two holes make me very weary; however, the rest of the iso I felt like it came from a town perspective overall and not the way scum would be playing.
Also, to follow up with my Evie vote on d1
Welp AF can’t anymore can she
I agree that she wasn’t inactive, but her main link was with Celever (dead), and Evie (people didn’t really believe in it too much)
Idt that self votes are usually town, it’s just more of a personal philosophy like I don’t want this person lynched and they’re last word was a crash out
But I'm still going to state my reads on everyone else to duh
##Vote: ImaginaryNeon
Why him?