NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

wisteriapurple said:
okay these were my thoughts unfiltered:
off the hal flip:
joey is probably just locktown off of that shift. the only way scum!joey makes sense there is if that was town!hal, which it wasn't so like :sob:
neon is more likely than not town. there is a line of reasoning where it is possible that hal was bussing neon, but considering that he named ch3mdah/neon/DBD as possible countervotes i'd think the bus angle makes the most sense if all three of these were scum (because he very well could've pushed the vote onto ch3mdah/DBD in a world where those two were town and neon was scum)
flandrs is probably town. notably one of the last things hal does is push back on flandrs voting evie in a way that doesn't particularly seem distance-y. this + his previous posting as well
AP/M2H contains one scum in it AT MOST. this is because after the celever vote scum!AP/scum!M2H/hal could've simply just run the game if they wanted; scum!M2H does not need to push on hal and hal does not need to push on scum!AP like that. on that note, i think both slots are unpaired with hal in their own right, with the AP/hal unpairing stronger considering that hal seemed to be committing to discrediting + possibly even wrangling a vote on him. still hate that AP hasn't answered some of my questions but running on spite after a mafia vote is a poor idea and i don't think he should be the vote d3.
apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon
considering how that eod shook up, i wonder how viable it is to greenshelf the entirety of the hal wagon? i feel like hal had a pretty decent grasp on the threadstate (despite M2H and AP pushing back on him) so i'm getting the vibe that the scumteam bussing hal of all people seems like a meh idea at best. skip is the only one i don't have a solid tr on off of hal's flip alone so maybe i look there if i find myself hitting a wall but right now my thoughts are the hal wagon was pure.
noticing that the hal/evie and hal/NE voting blocks have cropped up once again

with the hal flip we know it was the former
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(the decreased commentary re: the M2H/hal unpairing is mainly because AP's slot was more on my mind at the time)
 
i also had a rolling VCA going on
#117 votecount 1.1
des121 (1): AngryPidgeon
a fairy (1): joey
AngryPidgeon (1): StupidFlandrs48
NightEmerald (1): wisteriapurple

#493 votecount 1.2
a fairy (2): joey, skippergamez
StupidFlandrs48 (2): wisteriapurple, realiti
des121 (2): AngryPidgeon, NightEmerald
AngryPidgeon (1): ImaginaryNeon
Celever (1): StupidFlandrs48
NightEmerald (1): pulsar512b

#603 votecount 1.3
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
a fairy (2): skippergamez, realiti
des121 (1): NightEmerald
Celever (1): StupidFlandrs48
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
Evie (1): Celever

#821 votecount 1.4
Celever (6): StupidFlandrs48, apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
a fairy (1): skippergamez
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
Evie (1): Dead By Daylight
skippergamez (1): joey

#838 votecount 1.5
Celever (5): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
skippergamez (1): joey

#950 votecount 1.6 (final)
Celever (7): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti, wisteriapurple, M2H
NightEmerald (5): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon, joey, a fairy, StupidFlandrs48
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
No Vote (1): Ch3mdah
Ch3mdah (1): AngryPidgeon
#1115 votecount 2.1
apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon

#1352 votecount 2.2
apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon
NightEmerald (1): joey

#1642 votecount 2.3
Evie (3): NightEmerald, des121, AngryPidgeon
apricity (2): ImaginaryNeon, M2H
AngryPidgeon (1): apricity
NightEmerald (1): joey

#1865 votecount 2.4 (final)
apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon
just changed all mentions of CK to realiti :blobthumbsup:
 
Ch3mdah said:
do correct me if i'm wrong, bussing is when you throw your scummates under the bus right?
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this is correct.
but neon's thread standing in particular wasn't horrible per se (there were a bunch of decent trs on him) and like mentioned earlier hal could've very easily wrangled a countervote on a different town slot instead (in the world were neon/hal is a partnership)
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
Day 2 Final Votecount
apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon
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The people who stayed on the neon wagon do not look good in this scenario at all

Neon and Flandrs both voted hal earlier in the day and he didn't become a viable wagon until the very end so I don't put as much stock in their votes. Skipper gets a lot of towncred for his vote for sure
 
Ch3mdah said:
ok, so i was asleep when Evie and NE claimed roles, but I do kinda believe them here from what I've read from my action results. Doesn't mean that they're 100% telling the truth, but I believe it's way more likely than them lying about their roles. Anyway, I'll just go ahead and vote who I would've voted D2 if I hadn't slept in
##Vote: Neon

Not completely clear on whether this is true or not, but there probably is a 3P considering the number of potential flavors in PM lore that could qualify as a 3P
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Do you believe that both wagons were mafia and Hal was willing to vote off one of his own scum mates?
 
wisteriapurple said:
i also had a rolling VCA going on
#117 votecount 1.1
des121 (1): AngryPidgeon
a fairy (1): joey
AngryPidgeon (1): StupidFlandrs48
NightEmerald (1): wisteriapurple

#493 votecount 1.2
a fairy (2): joey, skippergamez
StupidFlandrs48 (2): wisteriapurple, realiti
des121 (2): AngryPidgeon, NightEmerald
AngryPidgeon (1): ImaginaryNeon
Celever (1): StupidFlandrs48
NightEmerald (1): pulsar512b

#603 votecount 1.3
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
a fairy (2): skippergamez, realiti
des121 (1): NightEmerald
Celever (1): StupidFlandrs48
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
Evie (1): Celever

#821 votecount 1.4
Celever (6): StupidFlandrs48, apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
a fairy (1): skippergamez
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
Evie (1): Dead By Daylight
skippergamez (1): joey

#838 votecount 1.5
Celever (5): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti
NightEmerald (2): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
wisteriapurple (1): AngryPidgeon
skippergamez (1): joey

#950 votecount 1.6 (final)
Celever (7): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, realiti, wisteriapurple, M2H
NightEmerald (5): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon, joey, a fairy, StupidFlandrs48
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
No Vote (1): Ch3mdah
Ch3mdah (1): AngryPidgeon
#1115 votecount 2.1
apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon

#1352 votecount 2.2
apricity (3): M2H, AngryPidgeon, ImaginaryNeon
NightEmerald (1): joey

#1642 votecount 2.3
Evie (3): NightEmerald, des121, AngryPidgeon
apricity (2): ImaginaryNeon, M2H
AngryPidgeon (1): apricity
NightEmerald (1): joey

#1865 votecount 2.4 (final)
apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon
just changed all mentions of CK to realiti :blobthumbsup:
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so you can see the hal/evie and hal/NE voting blocks i mentioned in the other wall (highlighted them in purple anyway in this post)
in fact NE and hal voted together on AP briefly as well, until NE shifted away to evie before votecount 2.3 was posted
NE's vote
hal's vote
 
joey said:
The people who stayed on the neon wagon do not look good in this scenario at all

Neon and Flandrs both voted hal earlier in the day and he didn't become a viable wagon until the very end so I don't put as much stock in their votes. Skipper gets a lot of towncred for his vote for sure
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iirc flandrs shifted off but then shifted back on near eod
 
Celever (7): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, CrreamyKitty, wisteriapurple, M2H
NightEmerald (5): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon, joey, a fairy, StupidFlandrs48
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
No Vote (1): Ch3mdah
Ch3mdah (1): AngryPidgeon

apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon

So this NE/Hal/Evie voting core is the thing that jumps out at me immediately. I think there’s defo at least one scum here. I think it’s Evie. I know she claimed doctor, but I feel like she lied a lot already d1. I’m not inclined to believe her now.
 
joey said:
The people who stayed on the neon wagon do not look good in this scenario at all

Neon and Flandrs both voted hal earlier in the day and he didn't become a viable wagon until the very end so I don't put as much stock in their votes. Skipper gets a lot of towncred for his vote for sure
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Can you elaborate on why you think this, you were on neon until the last minute, and its not like there was some huge revelation or fight that caused you to change
 
Evie said:
Can you elaborate on why you think this, you were on neon until the last minute, and its not like there was some huge revelation or fight that caused you to change
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While it's true that I was on the neon wagon, I also openly expressed that I did not like the wagon and thought he was going to flip town but just didn't know what else to do. In retrospect me voting neon didn't make sense and being on hal was definitely better (even without the knowledge that hal was scum)


I just think that neon is very towny and he was the only realistic vote to prevent hal from getting voted out, so ending on that wagon feels like trying to protect hal.
 
i get the idea but it doesnt make sense for me
or ne to become more towny if we were to switch from neon to hal at the last minute when hal was already going to be voted off
 
wisteriapurple said:
this is correct.
but neon's thread standing in particular wasn't horrible per se (there were a bunch of decent trs on him) and like mentioned earlier hal could've very easily wrangled a countervote on a different town slot instead (in the world were neon/hal is a partnership)
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true, i still really want to hear neon's views abt the gamestate before taking this vote off
wisteriapurple said:
how would you evaluate neon in the context of what happened at eod2?
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does make neon look more town, what with hal voting him along with two relatively controversial people, then again, hal COULD have been bussing? Super weird if he did, but I don't want to rule out any possibility.

these replies may look rushed since i need to go out soon, one last reply
skippergamez said:
Do you believe that both wagons were mafia and Hal was willing to vote off one of his own scum mates?
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im not fully 100% about both wagons being mafia, but I can see hal voting a scum mate for credibility
 
Evie said:
i get the idea but it doesnt make sense for me
or ne to become more towny if we were to switch from neon to hal at the last minute when hal was already going to be voted off
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hal wasnt "already going to be voted off" fwiw, before joey swapped the wagons were tied (and were shaping up to stay tied considering that i was pretty indecisive at that point still :wo:), and per the original post tied votes result in a no vote
this is primarily why i think that switch from joey is highly likely to just townlock him: because he very easily couldve sat on neon and delayed hal's flip for another cycle
and with hal's posting doing so would be huge because it'd allow him to further influence town discussion as he already had been doing
 
wisteriapurple said:
hal wasnt "already going to be voted off" fwiw, before joey swapped the wagons were tied (and were shaping up to stay tied considering that i was pretty indecisive at that point still :wo:), and per the original post tied votes result in a no vote
this is primarily why i think that switch from joey is highly likely to just townlock him: because he very easily couldve sat on neon and delayed hal's flip for another cycle
and with hal's posting doing so would be huge because it'd allow him to further influence town discussion as he already had been doing
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no yeah i wasnt saying joey switched last minute, i was saying that if i or ne were to switch last minute that shouldnt give us extra town cred since it wouldnt have changed who was voted off
 
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