NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

AngryPidgeon said:
Ya Joey repeatedly saying in all hours leading up to the DL to not hammer NE cause "Itd be scummy" and then flipping onto Evie pings me.
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To be clear on my opinion, I don't think the act of hammering a player is scummy, I think it is scummy to end the day early when there is still discussion to be had because it is a scum goal to limit the communication/information that is public. So I didn't not hammer because I didn't want to vote NE, I didn't hammer because I felt there was still useful discussion to be had

Knowing Evie is town obviously the vote looks like a mistake but in the moment that's exactly an example of what I mean, we collectively developed the read that the NE vote wasn't good and decided to develop our reads into switching to Evie
 
idk what to make of the game anymore

Without gathering specific reasoning, by vibes I put together this ranking

town
skippergamez
ImaginaryNeon
AngryPigeon
wis/bluedoom
ck/realiti
NightEmerald (idk anymore dude)
StupidFlandrs48
pulsar512b
des121
ch3mdah
scum

but in writing this out I realize that the bottom of the list is basically just people who haven't been as active so I question how well I'm actually reading people by their content
 
I'm looking back through JALMONT since he flipped town and it seems like he had a pretty strong scumread on realiti, but I really never understood why
 
I guess maybe I think the scumteam is

2 of pulsar/des/ch3mdah (would lean the latter two) and one pretty active person (flandrs/NE/realiti?/slight potential of AP?)
 
realiti said:
I skimmed the first few pages of your ISO and didn't see any townreads, who do you think is town right now? And for the people who you were previously suspicious of (des, neon, etc.), do you no longer think they're mafia?
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Bluedoom probably, maybe skipper. I don't think of neon as maf anymore as my reasoning for that was crappy (not posting much when neon hadn't catched up yet) and as for des, it's a bit off to me since there are those saying that des being as she is rn is a cause for concern (#2319 and #2483 by ap) and now, apparently des is behaving as she normally does as town (#2847 by realiti). I decided to mark off des as someone notable to watch, dunno yet, but I'm slightly leaning towards des being town.
 
Ch3mdah said:
Bluedoom probably, maybe skipper. I don't think of neon as maf anymore as my reasoning for that was crappy (not posting much when neon hadn't catched up yet) and as for des, it's a bit off to me since there are those saying that des being as she is rn is a cause for concern (#2319 and #2483 by ap) and now, apparently des is behaving as she normally does as town (#2847 by realiti). I decided to mark off des as someone notable to watch, dunno yet, but I'm slightly leaning towards des being town.
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kinda just gave up on trying to find out whether des is town or scum
 
joey said:
idk what to make of the game anymore

Without gathering specific reasoning, by vibes I put together this ranking

town
skippergamez
ImaginaryNeon
AngryPigeon
wis/bluedoom
ck/realiti
NightEmerald (idk anymore dude)
StupidFlandrs48
pulsar512b
des121
ch3mdah
scum

but in writing this out I realize that the bottom of the list is basically just people who haven't been as active so I question how well I'm actually reading people by their content
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do you have like an explanation for each of these reads, just want to know what your thought process is here
 
NightEmerald said:
I’m at the point where I’m loosely ignoring claims for who I find town/scum and just going by the ideas they’re putting forth in thread

That said, why aren’t we treating neon like we are des? I feel like we’re putting appropriate amounts of scrutiny at her but neon’s been shelved, and I get why because reading neon is as accurate as dowsing with what he’s posted, but we have the day ahead of us and i want to twist his fingers into saying something interesting
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this is all well and good but who do you want to vote out here? you've been under scrutiny since D3 without giving viable alternatives so it'd be fair to characterize your play since as purely self-pres.
 
Me
Flandrs
Bluedoom
Pulsar
Joey
Realiti
Des
Skipper

I want to massclaim full roles and targets tomorrow in approximately this order. I think everyone else is claimed or dead. Also down for popcorn order but I think flandrs first skipper last
 
bluedoom said:
AngryPidgeon did anything change for you after the Evie flip?
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id be real surprised if Chemdah/Des are both town, so that hasnt really changed for me. Im honestly feeling a bit lost today, Im reaching a point where many scumteams look plausible depending on what wagons or interactions I look at.

Neon is my biggest townread which is weird to realize. That's partly for his claim and also interactions with Apricity. Also him being off Evie. And Neon being townread pretty firmly by most people in the game just makes me think very few Neon scum pairings make sense.

What changed is Id bet probably 2 mafia on the Evie wagon. Out of Flandrs, Joey, you, Pulsar, and Chemdah...

I doubt you are with chemdah and decided to just bus immediately. If I presume you are town, then Chemdah and probably one of Flandrs/Joey/Pulsar. Though Flandrs/Chemdah is a pairing I dont quite see.

Skip. His read progressions have made sense to me, and hes felt town in most of his posts but I don't quite like whats going on with his night actions. Evie flipping town means mafia probably tried to invalidate her kill N2 and felt afraid of her role enough to wagon her eod.

Des I read as plausible mafia, not much has changed wrt how I see Des. She could be on an NE team, but honestly Des could fit on most teams which isnt a good look.

NE I have a nagging feeling that hes mafia here. Cause I know in my old days I would refuse to take an L as mafia, and could give off similar vibes via effort posting and leaning into my emotions. And NE is a good scum player.

So idk if I presume chemdah is flipping red, which seems likely to me.. I think he fits on many teams though less likely with flandrs.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
id be real surprised if Chemdah/Des are both town, so that hasnt really changed for me. Im honestly feeling a bit lost today, Im reaching a point where many scumteams look plausible depending on what wagons or interactions I look at.

Neon is my biggest townread which is weird to realize. That's partly for his claim and also interactions with Apricity. Also him being off Evie. And Neon being townread pretty firmly by most people in the game just makes me think very few Neon scum pairings make sense.

What changed is Id bet probably 2 mafia on the Evie wagon. Out of Flandrs, Joey, you, Pulsar, and Chemdah...

I doubt you are with chemdah and decided to just bus immediately. If I presume you are town, then Chemdah and probably one of Flandrs/Joey/Pulsar. Though Flandrs/Chemdah is a pairing I dont quite see.

Skip. His read progressions have made sense to me, and hes felt town in most of his posts but I don't quite like whats going on with his night actions. Evie flipping town means mafia probably tried to invalidate her kill N2 and felt afraid of her role enough to wagon her eod.

Des I read as plausible mafia, not much has changed wrt how I see Des. She could be on an NE team, but honestly Des could fit on most teams which isnt a good look.

NE I have a nagging feeling that hes mafia here. Cause I know in my old days I would refuse to take an L as mafia, and could give off similar vibes via effort posting and leaning into my emotions. And NE is a good scum player.

So idk if I presume chemdah is flipping red, which seems likely to me.. I think he fits on many teams though less likely with flandrs.
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I'll give you points for feeling like many scum teams are possible since I'm feeling similarly, there isn't someone that sticks out as extremely townie (other than like neon) but:

a) why are you not pressuring ch3mdah today when presumably he's your strongest lead from d3? I've been expecting something from there the entirety of today given how you didn't want people to give him a pass so it looks weird that it hasn't happened today.

b) Why did you out that skip shared a neighborhood with you and claimed to have targeted m2h the night he died? Like how did that help in solving for a scum team here? Either you think skip is town in which case you don't talk about it or you think he's maf and out it, I really didn't understand the thought process behind this that goes towards solving the game

c) And looking through your ISO you made a string of posts D3 about the m2h NK and how important it was to solving for scum. And I'm not seeing any follow up on this post the Evie vote. My natural assumption would be to at least pressure skipper here based off of the weird night actions.


I'm struggling to understand how you're lost given the world view that you had during day 3
 
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