NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

des121 said:
why are u torn betwen nee and bd
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Well, I’m looking at wagons, and there are currently three players unflipped on the Celever d1 votecount. Those being NE, CK (realiti), and Wis (bd). I’m most confident in CK/realiti being town here, though realiti hasn’t been giving the best performance since their entry, so I can’t say they’re not on my radar as well. NE voting with Hal both days is what put them on my radar initially. NE being the “main” wagon d1 only for Hal to swoop in and start the Cel wagon also raises eyebrows for me. The main reason I’m considering bd here is because of wis’s vote placements. Cel d1, not voting d2, essentially starting a true wagon on Evie EoD3 after saying all day they didn’t want to vote out town!doc (tho they’ve since subbed out so maybe that’s a small angle shoot LMAO). So really for me it’s which voting pattern is more egregious.
 
skippergamez said:
Well, I’m looking at wagons, and there are currently three players unflipped on the Celever d1 votecount. Those being NE, CK (realiti), and Wis (bd). I’m most confident in CK/realiti being town here, though realiti hasn’t been giving the best performance since their entry, so I can’t say they’re not on my radar as well. NE voting with Hal both days is what put them on my radar initially. NE being the “main” wagon d1 only for Hal to swoop in and start the Cel wagon also raises eyebrows for me. The main reason I’m considering bd here is because of wis’s vote placements. Cel d1, not voting d2, essentially starting a true wagon on Evie EoD3 after saying all day they didn’t want to vote out town!doc (tho they’ve since subbed out so maybe that’s a small angle shoot LMAO). So really for me it’s which voting pattern is more egregious.
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ah ok ty
 
Ch3mdah said:
Bluedoom probably, maybe skipper. I don't think of neon as maf anymore as my reasoning for that was crappy (not posting much when neon hadn't catched up yet) and as for des, it's a bit off to me since there are those saying that des being as she is rn is a cause for concern (#2319 and #2483 by ap) and now, apparently des is behaving as she normally does as town (#2847 by realiti). I decided to mark off des as someone notable to watch, dunno yet, but I'm slightly leaning towards des being town.
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do u have a read on des not based on other ppls opinions? I think giving a read on everybody in the PL will help ppl sort your slot
 
bluedoom said:
I'll give you points for feeling like many scum teams are possible since I'm feeling similarly, there isn't someone that sticks out as extremely townie (other than like neon) but:

a) why are you not pressuring ch3mdah today when presumably he's your strongest lead from d3? I've been expecting something from there the entirety of today given how you didn't want people to give him a pass so it looks weird that it hasn't happened today.

b) Why did you out that skip shared a neighborhood with you and claimed to have targeted m2h the night he died? Like how did that help in solving for a scum team here? Either you think skip is town in which case you don't talk about it or you think he's maf and out it, I really didn't understand the thought process behind this that goes towards solving the game

c) And looking through your ISO you made a string of posts D3 about the m2h NK and how important it was to solving for scum. And I'm not seeing any follow up on this post the Evie vote. My natural assumption would be to at least pressure skipper here based off of the weird night actions.


I'm struggling to understand how you're lost given the world view that you had during day 3
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a) I don't have many firm townreads. I felt optimistic about the evie wagon EOD and was wrong about it. And tbh I regret not just voting NE, cause the doctor may have been NKd. I feel less confident about pushing hard reads today. Also hes claiming a very powerful role which after an ML on tracker and doctor I am hesitant to keep voting out good PRs, but also where is the mafia power in this game?

Neon is town.
Flandrs, realiti I lean town on. I like your posts so far as well, and you are like the only person actively engaging with me which is likely town. That leaves me with a rough poe of
NE, Chem, Des, Joey, Skipper, Pulsar.

I have individual suspicions about all of these.

b) I posted about this and its also why I want to massclaim. Cause Evie protected M2H. We know that's true now. Evie claimed her role on D2, so mafia would know about it and would either kill her or be sure to bypass her role. Skipper targeting M2H _could_ be that attempt. I revealed it because it is important in understanding night actions on N2 and it doesnt reveal anything about his role itself to mafia. And evidently, Skip's role failed last night, but its unclear what happened. NE has been under fire for his role claim, we need to see what is out there and likely can poe out a few people based on the results. Skipper is lean town for me. If you want to know what Skip posts I find towny, I can post them. But ultimately I didn't think Skip was the vote yesterday and not today either. Its not really worth casing him until after massclaim since my main Skipper misgivings are about his role.

c) Can you link the post you mean in particular? I think M2H was likely killed because of his push and vote on Apricity. But Evie claimed to have protected M2H which is what Ive been going off about.
 
##Vote: NightEmerald
I think the CW on Evie likely had mafia on it and it leads me back here.
NE has been performing the most when receiving votes and otherwise his activity and good posting falls off.
He is a likely Apricity partner which is still the most concrete flip we have to go off.
I also don't think NE/BD has been this game T/T and Skipper seems to be seeing the same thing.

NE and pulsar actually make sense together Their interactions have looked a bit like soft distancing. And pulsar CW'd NE, and is voting Flandrs over NE now. I feel like correctly flipping NE here is likely very winning.
 
Yes ok time to do some shit.First of all, I think it's impossible that scum is entirely within lowposters, highposter, or the group between them.
Basically, I intend not to exactly solve from scratch but try to narrow scope to figure out scum in specific groups.

Why I think there's at least one highposter scum: The cfd yesterday was entirely motivated by high/mid posters, a lot of the lowposters were parked on me. I think a highposter specifically fits the thread we're seeing here, where it feels like we're spinning our wheels at each other without actually changing much in any of our individual reads. That said, I want people here to list the 3-5 people they think contributed the *most* last cycle, as in most posts that werein SOME way trting to solve the game. There's a range because I'm a believer in people's ability to decide for themselves, my own list is:

wis
realiti
myself
ap

guess was 2
 
NightEmerald said:
Yes ok time to do some shit.First of all, I think it's impossible that scum is entirely within lowposters, highposter, or the group between them.
Basically, I intend not to exactly solve from scratch but try to narrow scope to figure out scum in specific groups.

Why I think there's at least one highposter scum: The cfd yesterday was entirely motivated by high/mid posters, a lot of the lowposters were parked on me. I think a highposter specifically fits the thread we're seeing here, where it feels like we're spinning our wheels at each other without actually changing much in any of our individual reads. That said, I want people here to list the 3-5 people they think contributed the *most* last cycle, as in most posts that werein SOME way trting to solve the game. There's a range because I'm a believer in people's ability to decide for themselves, my own list is:

wis
realiti
myself
ap

guess was 2
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that said I think we use the remaining time to 100% solve these because I am 100% locked into the idea that there's scum in this over just the fact that it feels like we are not that much closer to winning after eli was voted
 
also mistake has been learned from, someone else has to get des to give her reads because idk if you could tell but not only was questioning des agonizing i feel like i simply could not understand her, like frankly she could have picked 2 recent posts from the skipper iso and I would NOT have realized

this is NOT a reason to vote her because I NEED to be resolved atp for the good of literally everything
 
Votecount 4.3
NightEmerald (2): realiti, AngryPidgeon
Ch3mdah (1): bluedoom
realiti (1): StupidFlandrs48
StupidFlandrs48 (1): pulsar512b

Hammer occurs at 6 votes.
Deadline is in about 1 hour and 19 minutes
 
how did wis end up voting evie- a play by play:

1894: points out hal/me and hal/evie as voting blocs, puts focus on hal/me due to how the celever vote turned out
1896: points out evie not dying as odd
1897: points out hal's progression on me as odd
2076: votes me
2094-6: I think these are linked unfortunately she's not here to confirm it, sees evie voting me and lowconfidence reads that me/evie aren't mafia together

page 85 as a whole:
wis questions evie on why they're voting me
evie says they think me skipper/hal is a team
wis asks her who might replace skipper, wording suggests she doesn't think skipper is on the team
wis basically resets, ie goes back to voting

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wisteriapurple said:
re: this i thought i had a decent enough meta read on NE but even post-cel vote i had been starting to re-evaluate it; hal flipping red definitely threw me for a loop and it caused me to expedite this
like atp i see NE and hal voting together on cel day 1, NE and hal briefly voting together on AP as i noted in #1909 + voting together on neon day 2, and then i see the weird stance hal took on NE (see: #1341 in which he lists 4 reasons for a NE scumcase only to note that he tls NE solely because of AP scumming him + tone, and then in #1683 and #1711 his read on NE is more of a tr now)
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elaborates on me/hal weirdness she saw

2219: notes my progression on evie, doesn't come out of it with any particular conclusions
2248: unvotes me just to see what'll happen
2455: spiritually on me
2609: evie "admittedly" has partner quity with hal but the doc claim gives pause
2615: me/evie are equally scummy she just REALLY doesn't want to be the person to vote the doc
2680: votes chemdah and asks them a question
2740: unvotes chemdah off the extra part in their role
2771: votes evie after flandrs does

conclusion is that i think wis had bad reasons to vote evie



ap is town ftr

also hey by the way what the fuck was skipper doing on evie that one day
 
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