NOC E.G.O Wielders Mafia - A 17P Role Madness (Game Thread) - MAFIA WIN

pulsar512b said:
i think im going to do a lot of isos today but in general:
i still dont like ch3mdah based on his earlier actions
des i sstill cannot read but feels scummy because shes just that uncooperative
i hate hate HATE flandrs cuz he was the most active in getting evie dead
the rest i dont have strong feelings about but im sure when i iso later i'll have more for you
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Gotcha

I still don't like flanders and you are spot on on why he's sus; the Evie vote looks really bad

I think there has to be at least one maf in realiti/Angry pidgeon; both of them voting together on NE without even considering what being wrong about NE would look like looks scummy in my eyes. We haven't really seen other scum reads from realiti other than NE since D3 so.

And Angry Pidgeon has been doing this thing of shading ch3mdah without actually voting him; coupled with being off wagon NE D3, his vote on NE D4 looks very bad. I'm hesitant to vote ch3mdah when one of his biggest opps has a sketchy d3/d4 vote history himself.

I don't really have strong feelings about skippergamez even though his n2 action is shady, but I'm hoping that a massclaim clarifies why he did whatever he did.

Everyone else I'm not really interested in looking into today.
 
The NE vote kinda felt necessary, like there was always going to be that doubt on what if he was mafia the whole time and I think he gets voted eventually anyways

I'm glad he left a lot of thoughts on his way out
 
bluedoom said:
I think there has to be at least one maf in realiti/Angry pidgeon; both of them voting together on NE without even considering what being wrong about NE would look like looks scummy in my eyes. We haven't really seen other scum reads from realiti other than NE since D3 so.
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I wont speak for Realiti but I did explain my reads yesterday. I reread some D3 posts and I saw interactions between NE and pulsar that looked a lot like scum distancing. They kinda called each other lazy but then went back to mostly forgetting the other existed. Also Pulsar talked a lot about NE on earlier days. With pulsar ultimately avoiding the NE wagon and Joey doing something similar, I thought NE/pulsar/Joey was a likely team and fit my thought of likely one busser on Apricity and 2 voters on Evie.
realiti said:
if ne is scum the mafia team is probably fairly weak, im thinking ch3mdah/pulsar with Joey as a potential deepwolf from bussing hal.
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I felt like realiti was seeing the same thing here, though I was strongly leaning towards pulsar/joey as the most likely NE team.
bluedoom said:
AngryPidgeon why did you vote NE over ch3mdah? You had strong reasons to consider scum! ch3mdah, how did voting NE out make sense from a solving perspective?
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Because a select few people had awkward interactions with NE. I mean Joey is coming in today and saying Ya we should have voted NE yesterday, but he himself never voted NE over the last two days and discouraged people from hammering NE on D3. If NE flipped mafia, I thought his buddies would be very obvious based on interactions.

How much of Wisteria/NE interactions have you read? They have been a point of contention sense Day 1. Wisteria had turned on NE Day 3 before replacing out and that led me to think you two were T/S. My initial good impression of you on Day 4 is another reason I assumed NE was the S in those interactions. Wisteria was one of the earlier voters on the Evie wagon. Im not sure what you thought about Wisteria or if you read any of her posts. Its kind of lame to hold you accountable for Wisteria but it does feel like you are coming after me for things your slot did. (Not voting NE on D3, wagoning Evie, then ultimately going back to potentially wanting to vote NE D5)
bluedoom said:
And Angry Pidgeon has been doing this thing of shading ch3mdah without actually voting him; coupled with being off wagon NE D3, his vote on NE D4 looks very bad. I'm hesitant to vote ch3mdah when one of his biggest opps has a sketchy d3/d4 vote history himself.
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There are two things here. You think me being off NE D3 then on D4 is scummy. You asked me yesterday what the Evie flip changed for me and I explained. I was somewhat discouraged from voting Chemdah yesterday because hes claiming a fairly powerful role and we've already voted off two strong roles this game. Sunk cost fallacy maybe, but I felt NE was a safer vote yesterday who made sense as an Apricity partner. Obviously that wasn't true.

What are you suggesting about my stance on Chemdah? I did vote Chemdah for quite a while on Day 3 and if Flandrs had voted for Chemdah at EoD there is a pretty strong chance Chemdah would have been voted off. So its not really true that I wasn't willing to vote Chemdah. and YES the Evie flip changed my sensibilities a little bit which is why I talked myself into voting NE Day 4. You said that you dont want to vote Chemdah because of my me, but you pitched me/Chemdah interactions as if Im unwilling to vote Chemdah so that doesnt quite track.

I think the no-voters yesterday are suspicious. Yesterday was super low energy. My guess is that there werent any wagons on mafia forming so scum just sat back and let it happen. Thats why not much happened yesterday.
bluedoom said:
Maybe we just vote NE anyway tbh, tough call for me because I think I want to push all of flanders/ch3mdah/NE today and get them active here, fwiw I don't think that's exactly the scum team either but its a line worth pursuing
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I really don't get your stance change today. You suggested voting for NE 'anyways', then didn't do it. Then when realiti and I do actually vote NE, you are now coming after us as if the NE wagon was super scummy. And you are also reading Chemdah differently now, and apparently that is [mostly?] because of my interactions with him?
 
Im "Telepole" town neighborizer, surprising no one.
Im only allowed to neighborize myself once.
N1 I targeted me/NE but my role failed.
N2 I targeted me/Skipper and obviously that succeeded.
N3 I targeted Skipper/Neon and I have no idea if it succeeded or not since neither of them said much yesterday.
N4 I targeted Skipper/Neon again and it must have failed.

Flandrs should claim.
 
I think there is no way we vote Chemdah today. Since he is claiming an ability which is difficult to fake results for, we should let him claim the results. At minimum I think we should give him one Day. If he is mafia, there are 2 others to find regardless, and in that case he may end up messing up his results claim. And if hes town, then he legit does get an actual guilty on someone for free presuming hes not misunderstanding his role which I guess is a distinct possibility.
 
Flandrs/Realiti/skipper town leans.
I really need to ISO Wisteria and bluedoom.
I felt like BD/realiti/me were all kind of vibing yesterday, but BD is ironically doing a 180 on me and coming after me for doing so on NE.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
I wont speak for Realiti but I did explain my reads yesterday. I reread some D3 posts and I saw interactions between NE and pulsar that looked a lot like scum distancing. They kinda called each other lazy but then went back to mostly forgetting the other existed. Also Pulsar talked a lot about NE on earlier days. With pulsar ultimately avoiding the NE wagon and Joey doing something similar, I thought NE/pulsar/Joey was a likely team and fit my thought of likely one busser on Apricity and 2 voters on Evie.

I felt like realiti was seeing the same thing here, though I was strongly leaning towards pulsar/joey as the most likely NE team.

Because a select few people had awkward interactions with NE. I mean Joey is coming in today and saying Ya we should have voted NE yesterday, but he himself never voted NE over the last two days and discouraged people from hammering NE on D3. If NE flipped mafia, I thought his buddies would be very obvious based on interactions.

How much of Wisteria/NE interactions have you read? They have been a point of contention sense Day 1. Wisteria had turned on NE Day 3 before replacing out and that led me to think you two were T/S. My initial good impression of you on Day 4 is another reason I assumed NE was the S in those interactions. Wisteria was one of the earlier voters on the Evie wagon. Im not sure what you thought about Wisteria or if you read any of her posts. Its kind of lame to hold you accountable for Wisteria but it does feel like you are coming after me for things your slot did. (Not voting NE on D3, wagoning Evie, then ultimately going back to potentially wanting to vote NE D5)

There are two things here. You think me being off NE D3 then on D4 is scummy. You asked me yesterday what the Evie flip changed for me and I explained. I was somewhat discouraged from voting Chemdah yesterday because hes claiming a fairly powerful role and we've already voted off two strong roles this game. Sunk cost fallacy maybe, but I felt NE was a safer vote yesterday who made sense as an Apricity partner. Obviously that wasn't true.

What are you suggesting about my stance on Chemdah? I did vote Chemdah for quite a while on Day 3 and if Flandrs had voted for Chemdah at EoD there is a pretty strong chance Chemdah would have been voted off. So its not really true that I wasn't willing to vote Chemdah. and YES the Evie flip changed my sensibilities a little bit which is why I talked myself into voting NE Day 4. You said that you dont want to vote Chemdah because of my me, but you pitched me/Chemdah interactions as if Im unwilling to vote Chemdah so that doesnt quite track.

I think the no-voters yesterday are suspicious. Yesterday was super low energy. My guess is that there werent any wagons on mafia forming so scum just sat back and let it happen. Thats why not much happened yesterday.

I really don't get your stance change today. You suggested voting for NE 'anyways', then didn't do it. Then when realiti and I do actually vote NE, you are now coming after us as if the NE wagon was super scummy. And you are also reading Chemdah differently now, and apparently that is [mostly?] because of my interactions with him?
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I haven't taken an 180 on my stance though, just a few posts later from what you quoted I did say that I don't think the full scum team is in ch3mdah/NE/flanders but its worth pressuring all 3 to generate discussion for the day, its another thing that the thread died though.

I don't have to read the wis/NE interactions since I know that wis/me are town, and its fairly understandable for me to be uncertain about who to vote as a sub given that I haven't been deep in the narrative of the game from the start.

Im pitching your ch3mdah interactions as setting him up for a misvote without claiming responsibility for it since you've seemed vocal about how shady he is without any follow up.
 
AngryPidgeon said:
bluedoom
What do you think about Joey and Pulsar's interactions with NE? Des too for that matter.
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I don't think pulsar's maf because she voted flanders' last phase and that's a pretty townie vote imo

I don't have an opinion on des because she plays the way she has always been doing

Joey arguably looks bad off the flip but tbh I wouldn't expect scum!joey to double down on how necessary the NE flip was
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Im "Telepole" town neighborizer, surprising no one.
Im only allowed to neighborize myself once.
N1 I targeted me/NE but my role failed.
N2 I targeted me/Skipper and obviously that succeeded.
N3 I targeted Skipper/Neon and I have no idea if it succeeded or not since neither of them said much yesterday.
N4 I targeted Skipper/Neon again and it must have failed.

Flandrs should claim.
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What was the reason for skip/neon btw?

Oh and ##Vote: StupidFlanders
 
AngryPidgeon said:
Because a select few people had awkward interactions with NE. I mean Joey is coming in today and saying Ya we should have voted NE yesterday, but he himself never voted NE over the last two days and discouraged people from hammering NE on D3. If NE flipped mafia, I thought his buddies would be very obvious based on interactions.
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I feel like you missed the entire first two days when I was completely hard pushing NE lol. Do you think I was bussing 2 very active scummates?

I was very clear on why I didn't hammer NE and I wasn't alone in that either - wis and others expressed that they wanted to vote him but didn't want to hammer as well. It's just regular mafia play not to cut the day short.

This weekend I'll admit I hardly looked at the thread, I probably would've voted NE but I just didn't really end up doing it.

This is all kinda moot with NE flipping town after all though.
 
Celever (7): apricity, NightEmerald, Evie, Celever, CrreamyKitty, wisteriapurple, M2H
NightEmerald (5): pulsar512b, ImaginaryNeon, joey, a fairy, StupidFlandrs48
Evie (2): Dead By Daylight, skippergamez
No Vote (1): Ch3mdah
Ch3mdah (1): AngryPidgeon

apricity (5): ImaginaryNeon, StupidFlandrs48, skippergamez, M2H, joey
ImaginaryNeon (3): apricity, Evie, NightEmerald
Evie (2): des121, AngryPidgeon

Evie (6): StupidFlandrs48, wisteriapurple, joey, AngryPidgeon, pulsar512b, Ch3mdah
NightEmerald (5): realiti, Evie, skippergamez, ImaginaryNeon, des121
realiti (2): NightEmerald, JALMONT

NightEmerald (3): realiti, AngryPidgeon, skippergamez
Ch3mdah (1): bluedoom
realiti (1): StupidFlandrs48
StupidFlandrs48 (1): pulsar512b

I’m starting to think bd/pulsar/???/???????

maybe realiti too
 
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